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HANDLEBROW	Posted - 2010.08.30 22:44:00 - [1] How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:03:00 - [2] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 30/08/2010 23:06:35 I can hardly believe CCP would fall for a quick buck from Dell, err Alienware. On the other hand, if that is not the reason, then what is? The handfull of people that actually buy Alienware? It is hard to understand how CCP would commit to such marginal hardware while dumping support for older graphics cards. It is even harder to understand how they can list this support as a feature for Tyrannis and devote an entire patch to it ... I would even object to supporting the G series of Logitech, I mean they work fine as they are, and people just have to configure them by themselves. I thought removing support for old graphics cards was to simplify production, but then CCP turns around and start making it more complex again for hardware in the margin. My brain is to small to understand. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:06:00 - [3] This was a few expansions ago... Some dev probably had one and said "omfg I could do this.." and did it. Besides, it probably took a few hours max to do. For example, when you get scrammed, there's a little icon that pops up on your overview. Just add one line onto the end of that does the alienfx. Yea, they could've done the G stuff, which I would've preferred, but it's hardly worth whining over. (Or maybe I'm just biased since I own neither.. ) Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/08/2010 23:12:37 Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements. What you are saying is that those who have an Alienware M17X laptop should be excluded from gameplay. Now I dont know about you, but I think this is a bad move excluding a group of players from gameplay, just because they have a computer from Alienware, which by the way is one of the Alienwares most powerful PC. I think that qualifies for a fix. dont you? Oh. For your information. CCP are fixing other things. Like upgrading hardware for all of EVE. Im sure you must have missed it, but Jita had a new record of 1600 visitors recently. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:12:00 - [5] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 30/08/2010 23:12:13 Originally by: Stick Cult This was a few expansions ago... Some dev probably had one and said "omfg I could do this.." and did it. Besides, it probably took a few hours max to do. For example, when you get scrammed, there's a little icon that pops up on your overview. Just add one line onto the end of that does the alienfx. Yea, they could've done the G stuff, which I would've preferred, but it's hardly worth whining over. (Or maybe I'm just biased since I own neither.. ) Like I already said, even the G series are not worth doing special development for, and they definatly are more popular than Alienware machines amongst gamers. It is just weird, perhaps someday some developer will explain how they programmed this in their free time because they own Alianware hardware, altho I would expect from an IT pro in gaming development, they would build their own gaming rig. http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements. What you are saying is that those who have an Alienware M17X laptop should be excluded from gameplay. Now I dont know about you, but I think this is a bad move excluding a group of players from gameplay, just because they have a computer from Alienware, which by the way is one of the companies most powerful PC. I think that qualifies for a fix. dont you? No, he's talking about AlienFX, which CCP added support for a few expansions ago. Basically flash some pretty light on your case when you get scrammed, webbed, shot at, etc. It's not exluding Alienware from playing, it's adding more features for them. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements. What you are saying is that those who have an Alienware M17X laptop should be excluded from gameplay. Now I dont know about you, but I think this is a bad move excluding a group of players from gameplay, just because they have a computer from Alienware, which by the way is one of the companies most powerful PC. I think that qualifies for a fix. dont you? No, he's talking about AlienFX, which CCP added support for a few expansions ago. Basically flash some pretty light on your case when you get scrammed, webbed, shot at, etc. It's not exluding Alienware from playing, it's adding more features for them. Maybe but from patchnotes it says like this: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.0.5 * When using an Alienware M17X laptop the client would crash while selecting a character. This has been fixed. For me that means the game is broken. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Opertone Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:17:00 - [8] i dont' like alienware, I like apple... Sure apple does not do much for me, but it looks nice. It is built with a smooth aluminum body. No other laptop can match the perfection of Mac Book Pro. Not even Sony, nor alienware. Over time every laptops built in keyboard wears and becomes ugly and dirty. I would not ever play on a laptop, simply because the keyboard is difficult to replace. The more you mash the buttons, the sooner they break off. Oh, and if you want a gaming PC, get one, build one for yourself. Choose your performance vs price. Consoles are inferior. Period!
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:18:00 - [9] Ahh, well yea. Sometimes there's that one thing in a piece of hardware and that one line they changed and it's all just **ed. Actually it was probably due to the addition of AlienFX, and they had one thing wrong... but they fixed it! Also, I play on a Mac sometimes, and that whole client is fubar... Originally by:** CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
HANDLEBROW	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements. What you are saying is that those who have an Alienware M17X laptop should be excluded from gameplay. Now I dont know about you, but I think this is a bad move excluding a group of players from gameplay, just because they have a computer from Alienware, which by the way is one of the companies most powerful PC. I think that qualifies for a fix. dont you? No, he's talking about AlienFX, which CCP added support for a few expansions ago. Basically flash some pretty light on your case when you get scrammed, webbed, shot at, etc. It's not exluding Alienware from playing, it's adding more features for them. Maybe but from patchnotes it says like this: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.0.5 * When using an Alienware M17X laptop the client would crash while selecting a character. This has been fixed. For me that means the game is broken. * When using an Alienware M17X laptop the client would crash while selecting a character. This has been fixed. You don't think "alienfx" has anything to do with that? The m17x should run the game like any other computer
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.08.30 23:57:00 - [11] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/08/2010 23:58:26 Originally by: HANDLEBROW * When using an Alienware M17X laptop the client would crash while selecting a character. This has been fixed. You don't think "alienfx" has anything to do with that? The m17x should run the game like any other computer Well, from what I understand, it does not work. And as such, it needs to be fixed. That was this patch is about to do. Whether alienfx is the problem or not is irellevant all the time the game crashes. Not being able to play the game I consider to be the worst bugs a game can offer. I guess thats why CCP are fixing it... Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
HANDLEBROW	Posted - 2010.08.31 00:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 30/08/2010 23:58:26 Originally by: HANDLEBROW * When using an Alienware M17X laptop the client would crash while selecting a character. This has been fixed. You don't think "alienfx" has anything to do with that? The m17x should run the game like any other computer Well, from what I understand, it does not work. And as such, it needs to be fixed. That was this patch is about to do. Whether alienfx is the problem or not is irellevant all the time the game crashes. Not being able to play the game I consider to be the worst bugs a game can offer. I guess thats why CCP are fixing it... How is this irellevant? If they were never payed by alienware to support something nobody uses that computer would play the game like any other.
INTR3P1D	Posted - 2010.08.31 00:28:00 - [13] How much is alienware paying CCP to advertise them through patches? Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Oh wow, cry babies today..oh wo wo
HANDLEBROW	Posted - 2010.08.31 00:34:00 - [14] Originally by: INTR3P1D How much is alienware paying CCP to advertise them through patches? Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Oh wow, cry babies today..oh wo wo Wow, fail troll much? How does this post seem like "cry babies" to you? How is that suggestion you quoted come across to you that way? Now here's my suggestion to you : See a psychiatrist or look up what the term "cry babies" means.
Kireiina	Posted - 2010.08.31 00:35:00 - [15] Why would you assume CCP did much? I'd suspect alienware resolved the issue and gave CCP either code or directions to fix it. After all, the patch notes make it pretty obvious no-one is actually working on Eve online at the moment.
Ruby Khann	Posted - 2010.08.31 01:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Opertone i dont' like alienware, I like apple... Sure apple does not do much for me, but it looks nice. You could switch "alienware" and "apple" and your sentence would still be equally true.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.08.31 02:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Kireiina Why would you assume CCP did much? ... After all, the patch notes make it pretty obvious no-one is actually working on Eve online at the moment. QFT. Effort wasted on writing, testing and publishing a patch that, according to the notes, is worth less than the pixels() used to communicate its implementation. @ CCP: stop wasting time on limited-scope and hardware-specific bling. Put your money where your recent bloggers' words are purportedly taking EVE development. Show your customers, investors and prospective dupes (aka not-yet-addicted gamers) that you can still deliver high quality and functional product. Cheers. () - much like this post.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.08.31 02:27:00 - [18] The g15/19's suck anyway Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
True Sight THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.08.31 03:36:00 - [19] Originally by: HANDLEBROW How about fixing real problems instead of making quick buck CCP. Listing Alienware "alienfx" as a Tyrannis feature was bad enough. How about supporting the g15/19's people actually own, or is it to much to ask to support companies that aren't throwing money at your feet for advertisements. How much did you get paid to make this post and thus, give them even more attention? -------------------------------------- True Sight President Foiritan Emissary --<<!SUPPORT DRONES!>>--
Steeltongue	Posted - 2010.08.31 03:51:00 - [20] So...how is the amount they're being paid relevant?
DocCreed	Posted - 2010.09.03 10:47:00 - [21] Folks, CCP isn't advertising Alienware there is actually problems with M17x as user I can confirm there is issues, up until the patch I was unable to get into the eve. Still issues with M17x at present hopefully get them fixed soon
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.03 11:10:00 - [22] They are paying them 20,000 pieces of trident layer gum. Also, they have a deal to split the tears from this thread. You guys really dont know anything about software development as this is the industry standard. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.03 11:19:00 - [23] I wonder how much CCP has to pay Dell, now that Dell has sold thousands of computers with a game that doesn't work properly. Tech support is expensive, and I expect that Dell have received more than one complaint about the bugs being fixed. Stop whining, you dimwits; CCP is patching a bug here, and that's a good thing, isn't it?
Bad Princess Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.03 11:22:00 - [24] I've been in this business long enough to know exactly what is going one here. It would be nice, for once, for a company to openly admit it. The Alienware stuff has nothing to do with how much money Dell Inc. and it's affiliated companies are allegedly throwing at CCP, and based on current marketshare figures correlated with the number of alleged subscribers to Eve Online, I can say with certainty that this is not a general userbase issue. No, what this is comes down to something far more assinine. Someone of some relative importance at CCP, or known to someone of importance at CCP, has Alienware stuff, and wants it to behave in a certain manner. The powers that be at CCP are simply complying with a request from a powerful source that is NOT the general player base, no matter how loudly they try and protest to the contrary. This is not new, it isn't news and it isn't an anomaly. This type of 'insider massage' takes place in damn near every industry on the planet, and doesn't get called into control until the company reaches a certain size. CCP, being what it is, still enjoys the autonomy of doing whatever the hell it wants, for it's own reasons. The recent purchase, through advertising dollars ( ISK? ) of the 'award' both lauded and derided here on these forums is just another small example. My only gripe is that, for once, I'd like to see a company openly admit it instead of pretending otherwise. Too many people know how 'the game' is played. The obfuscation only annoys the informed.
Splastastic	Posted - 2010.09.03 11:40:00 - [25] Personally, it doesn't bother me that much, but if they are supporting one type keyboard (how many are using the alien keyboard? 10 people?), they should look into doing something for other advanced gaming keyboards too. I bet there 2-3 time the amount of people who are using a G15/19 than the Alienware, wich leads me to think "Why go for the minority when we can reach up to maybe 3 times the amount". What i'd like to see supported through the G15 is eve voice, all status effects, shield/armor/hull, ammo count and possible drone status/health. Or just an SKD/API that can do that? then people can make it themself?
Othran Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.09.03 11:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Bad Princess I've been in this business long enough to know exactly what is going one here. Uhuh. Of course you have That'll be why Dell has a SDK they're pushing ALONG WITH DEVELOPER CASH to get games companies to use the AlienFX effects. Just like NVidia did way way back in the early days (you could get your own embedded NVidia engineers if you were big enough) and like they did with CUDA until very recently. Nothing wrong with being able to add features to the game AND get paid for it. The code for AlienFX is childishly simple anyway - hopefully this time it works properly.

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