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Idiva Harris
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Posted - 2010.08.31 19:42:00 -
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I have all the right skills for ice mining and ice preocesing, but everytime I look at the market to see if it is worthwhile I can never really see any meaningfull volume movement.
Is it a case of most corps just mine and use the ice they need rather than relying on 3rd party mining cotnractors or sourcing from Market ?
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.31 19:44:00 -
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Are you looking at ice or at isotopes?
Ice movement might be pretty low, but there should be a pretty healthy market for the isotopes.
Just find someone (friend/corpmate) who has 100% processing. If you can't find one with 100%, find someone with refining and refinery eff. V- that'll give you 99.5%, and it'll take a LOT of ice mining to add up to any significant difference from that to 100%.
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Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.31 19:47:00 -
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I believe:
Most Ice gets refined before much transport happens, as this reduces volume.
Most Ice gets shipped over to Jita or a nearby trade hub, as there's much much more volume moving there and therefore it's easier to liquidate the product and pay your miners/yourself. Many POS users will be picking up other supplies in addition to fuel, and therefore naturally gravitate towards the EVE equivalent of walmart.
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Monja Diste
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Posted - 2010.08.31 19:52:00 -
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I have the necessary reprocessing skills to get good yields so I can do that in house myself, I was just curious if there was any market for the raw materials rather than reporcessed before I start workign out my marketing strategies for a little project I am embarking on
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Oerlikon Llama
Black Dawn Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.31 20:24:00 -
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by worthwhile.
Is it worth it for an income? I can make between a healthy income with my orca support, so I think it's worthwhile for me.
Is it better to mine it for POS fuel than to buy it? I would think most definitely as it probably saves you the trip to the trade hub.
But that's just me. |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.31 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 31/08/2010 20:36:25
Ice mining is better income than doing nothing.
With the base cycle time starting at 10 minutes, it makes ore mining look exciting.
I have my Mackinaws fitted to hold 12 chunks of ice, which takes 3 cycles to fill. With my skills, that's about 20 minutes. Mackinaws are paper-thin and easily gankable.
Ice is also huge at 1000 m3 per chunk, so it presents a transportation issue if it cannot be refined nearby.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.31 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Oerlikon Llama
I suppose it depends on what you mean by worthwhile.
Is it worth it for an income? I can make between a healthy income with my orca support, so I think it's worthwhile for me.
Is it better to mine it for POS fuel than to buy it? I would think most definitely as it probably saves you the trip to the trade hub.
But that's just me.
All depends on what your other options are with your time. If the time nets you several hundred mil+ a month through industry or some such, then it probably makes more sense to buy it and haul it (since it's probably less time consuming). If you have extra playtime and nothing to do with it, then sure, mining ice makes sense.
Also, for mining (or anything else) if doing it makes you want to quit EVE from boredom, you're probably better off doing something else.
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Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.08.31 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Javajunky on 31/08/2010 22:41:29
Ok here is how it breaks down.
- Mining Ice is not terribly profitable, I see huge concentrations of macro's leeching empire ice fields.
- Mining Ice solo is incredibly boring, definitely have something else to do like schoolwork, movie to watch anything really
- ISK per hour gets better with a hauler friend / alt obviously
- Make friends with the Orca Pilots out in the belt they will give you boosts if you ask
It's worth it if you need something to do while your doing something else on the computer.
But don't be frustrated if you feel like your are surrounded nothing but macro's. CHANCE ARE IT'S THE TRUTH! 
Personally I think CCP give's ice macro's a pass, it's quite reflective in the market price and the number and since ice fields are so sparse it's pretty easy to see the usual suspects. Probably because it's is really that damn boring.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.01 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Javajunky
- Mining Ice is not terribly profitable, I see huge concentrations of macro's leeching empire ice fields.
And you have incontrovertible evidence that they are indeed macros?
In general, ice harvesting is boring, but it is a useful way to have your character be productive while your attention is required elsewhere. An inattentive or AFK player isn't necessarily using macros.
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Bia Bri
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Posted - 2010.09.01 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bia Bri on 01/09/2010 07:22:57
Each block of high sec ice refines to just a bit over 100k worth of ice products (this is as of about a month ago, but the numbers will not have swung wildly in any direction). With a maxed out Mackinaw you can harvest 52 block of ice per hour with maximum boost and skills. More realistically, lets call it about 50. This means there is a hard cap of about 5 million ISK per hour to be made with each Mackinaw. Note, this already assumes another account is hauling for you.
A few points of comparison:
-A similarly maxed out Hulk miner doing plagioclase or kernite (again, assuming similar max boosts and someone else hauling) will pull in about double this (a little more actually).
-High sec mission running should net even a very leisurely paced level 4 mission runner in the realm of 10-15 million per hour after you factor in loyalty points. Indeed, any mission runner worth their ship should be pulling in well over 20 (if not 40+) per hour.
-Buying 500million worth of goods in jita or your local hub and flipping it at the other for even a 1% margin will gain you 5 million isk. Most places in empire you can easily make two such trips an hour if you are not afk. And at least 1 if you are afk in anything but a freighter or orca.
Point being, high sec ice mining, even with full support and maxed skills is darn close to the lowest ISK per hour activity that you can choose. Doing almost anything else, then buying ice products from your local hub will net you double, triple, or higher products for the amount of time sitting at your computer.
Mind you, there still are a few situations it is worthwhile to mine ice:
-If you are only going to look in at your screen every 10-15 minutes and do not want to risk afk hauling between hubs (or do not have the capital to invest).
-If you are in a high sec island that does not have a good supply of ice products and do not want to risk a trip.
-If (for some reason) you only have the ability to mine ice at anything close to max skill. That is, your character is not capable of running level 3 or 4 missions. And you cannot mine ore to any decent degree.
-If you just REALLY love blue laser beams.
Mining ice has its place in the game, it's necessary and does turn a profit. But if you are actively at the keyboard playing the game, almost anything else will be more worth your time. |
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NuroCorp
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:25:00 -
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Not everyone that mines ice is a macroer - its just dumb to believe otherwise :P
As its been said ice mining is a slow time consuming process, and for a single account doesn't have a high return for isk per hour. This is true.
Got something else to do? Dont mind running eve in the background whilst you watch tv, a movie, or take care of other things? You can play and be productive whilst not necessarily having to constantly sit in front of your 'puter. Even with max boostings skills a mackinaw setup to hold 12 blocks of ice will be looking at a cycle of 13 mins (more or less). Looking at about 55 blocks per mack per hour - providing someone is hauling for you. Using each block of ice and giving it a conservative value of 85k ISK. thats just shy of 4.7 mill isk per hour, not bad when you're almost effectively not paying attention most of the time.
Throw in multiple accounts, which mercifully eve lets you run on even the most simple of computers. Then the iskies really roll in. You take in what some people can only make doing lvl 4's/ratting. Except you're not having half the labor these guys have to perform to maintain it. Its a lot of mouse clicking running multiple clients in windowed mode, but its rather simple to do.
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Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
And you have incontrovertible evidence that they are indeed macros?
In general, ice harvesting is boring, but it is a useful way to have your character be productive while your attention is required elsewhere. An inattentive or AFK player isn't necessarily using macros.
Well I work from a home office, and mining Ice is something I'm knocking out work calls or whatever. Aydoteaux, as up two ice fields with at least 90 people in system the entire time. After spending time there with my fleet I'd got into habit of tracking names in the fields everyday to do my own macro analysis. 8 hours a day x 5 days a week (3-5 actually). IĘd do my hauling at random times a night and sometimes as late as 2 am local but I always made a point to do go peek in the ice fields. Amazingly these guys are churning a solid 18 hours a day + sitting on ice (sorry I never checked at 4am local). I feel that's about as incontravertible as I need to provide a typical troll comment.
You must be a macro user, because asking that question is about as stupid as trying to convince Americans that Obamacare is actually going to save the US money.
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