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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.31 23:17:00 -
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is it still possible to do this? and does it only work if they aresss you
as yesterday I was bored out of my tree so i flipped a can. the guy took from it , docked up. i was allowed to shoot one of his wrecks within 15 minutes after that i got a concord warning.
any help on the matter is greatly appriciated..
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Xenuria
Gallente
Crossfire Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.01 00:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Lady Aja
is it still possible to do this? and does it only work if they aresss you
as yesterday I was bored out of my tree so i flipped a can. the guy took from it , docked up. i was allowed to shoot one of his wrecks within 15 minutes after that i got a concord warning.
any help on the matter is greatly appriciated..
I know right. Holding aggro with cans and wrecks is hard. This one time I insulted the manufacturer of this can and he got mad and agrroed but then I couldn't keep threat so he reset.
Don't even get me started about those wrecks.. You need at least 6k dps in dots alone to keep aggro with them.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.01 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
is it still possible to do this? and does it only work if they aresss you
as yesterday I was bored out of my tree so i flipped a can. the guy took from it , docked up. i was allowed to shoot one of his wrecks within 15 minutes after that i got a concord warning.
any help on the matter is greatly appriciated..
You were doing the right thing. The concord warning is a bug, the same as the subject not getting their timer updated. As long as you keep agroing them and don't let there be a 15 min gap in the middle (stopwatch is great for this) you are fine.
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.09.01 02:23:00 -
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CCP has made it clear that they will reimburse carebears who fall victim to aggro extension, though they are lamely refusing to call it a bug or an exploit.
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Creiter
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Posted - 2010.09.01 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
CCP has made it clear that they will reimburse carebears who fall victim to aggro extension, though they are lamely refusing to call it a bug or an exploit.
And whiny hardcore PVPers have made it clear they don't like it. And I don't know how hell you could stay interested after more then a few minutes of the guy docking up and warping back every 15 minutes to keep the timer going in case he undocks in an expensive ship. Moving along now...
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.01 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Creiter
Originally by: Paul Clavet
CCP has made it clear that they will reimburse carebears who fall victim to aggro extension, though they are lamely refusing to call it a bug or an exploit.
And whiny hardcore PVPers have made it clear they don't like it. And I don't know how hell you could stay interested after more then a few minutes of the guy docking up and warping back every 15 minutes to keep the timer going in case he undocks in an expensive ship. Moving along now...
Grieving is hard work, takes dedication.
And since the carebear doesn't get timer or warning popup, he won't know and often undock right after 15 minutes is up.
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.01 06:42:00 -
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i never used wrecks to keep agro... just feels too lame.
and i know CCP will give their ship back if you kill them with this tactic. dunno if thei will even call it exploit one day or not.
then again... i grief the griefers most of the time... and its fun to see them emorage when things dont go as planned :D some of them give better reactions than bears.
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Razor Nyx
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Posted - 2010.09.01 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
[You were doing the right thing. The concord warning is a bug,
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.01 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Nyx
Originally by: Lana Torrin
[You were doing the right thing. The concord warning is a bug,
Lol.. it is a bug, but one that will still get you a concordokken. You need to dock and undock (forcing a session change) before you can extend aggro again.
Now, since anyone can tell that aggro is being extended against you it is only now effective against the foolish and the brave.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.09.01 13:28:00 -
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You can extend the agro indefinitely using wrecks (scramming them is typically optimal).
Use stopwatch or some other timer, if you get a concord warning, any session change will fix this, go back to the wreck scram away, wait for unsuspecting target to warp back to his belt, mission, whathaveyou.
There was a pretty stellar Suddenly Ninja's blog/guide/post somewhere on this.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.01 13:41:00 -
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must be an echo in here
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Arden Elenduil
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Arden Elenduil on 01/09/2010 16:14:56
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
You can extend the agro indefinitely using wrecks (scramming them is typically optimal).
Use stopwatch or some other timer, if you get a concord warning, any session change will fix this, go back to the wreck scram away, wait for unsuspecting target to warp back to his belt, mission, whathaveyou.
There was a pretty stellar Suddenly Ninja's blog/guide/post somewhere on this.
Is this what you're talking about ^^?
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Galmarr
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arden Elenduil
Edited by: Arden Elenduil on 01/09/2010 16:14:56
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
You can extend the agro indefinitely using wrecks (scramming them is typically optimal).
Use stopwatch or some other timer, if you get a concord warning, any session change will fix this, go back to the wreck scram away, wait for unsuspecting target to warp back to his belt, mission, whathaveyou.
There was a pretty stellar Suddenly Ninja's blog/guide/post somewhere on this.
Is this what you're talking about ^^?
Guys what are you doing? SHHH!!! This is an ancient Ninja secret!
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:44:00 -
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Yeah Arden.. Thats exactly what I was talking about.
Pretty sure I learned it from you though- when you popped a CNR in Laah, with a Vagabond.. an hour later.
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Ashen Malice
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:50:00 -
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CCP had denied refund of ship to two people I know personally; both of them had this type of aggression timer extension used on them since the CNR kill.
That is at least a little bit of good news for happy ninja types. Shame that CCP can't take a line and hold to it.
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Arden Elenduil
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.01 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Yeah Arden.. Thats exactly what I was talking about.
Pretty sure I learned it from you though- when you popped a CNR in Laah, with a Vagabond.. an hour later.
Actually, I've never killed a CNR.
The shiniest thing I've killed with a vaga was a Machariel, and that was in Balginia.
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Aerion Va'rr
Dead Pilots Society
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Posted - 2010.09.02 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arden Elenduil
Edited by: Arden Elenduil on 01/09/2010 21:27:54
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Yeah Arden.. Thats exactly what I was talking about.
Pretty sure I learned it from you though- when you popped a CNR in Laah, with a Vagabond.. an hour later.
Actually, I've never killed a CNR (still on my 'to kill' list though).
The shiniest thing I've killed with a vaga was a Machariel, and that was in Balginia.
Coulda swore it was you- the someone in SN killed a CNR that was missioning, and I remember talking to you about it in the SN Channel...
*Shrug*
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.09.02 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Creiter
Originally by: Paul Clavet
CCP has made it clear that they will reimburse carebears who fall victim to aggro extension, though they are lamely refusing to call it a bug or an exploit.
And whiny hardcore PVPers have made it clear they don't like it. And I don't know how hell you could stay interested after more then a few minutes of the guy docking up and warping back every 15 minutes to keep the timer going in case he undocks in an expensive ship. Moving along now...
Grieving is hard work, takes dedication.
And since the carebear doesn't get timer or warning popup, he won't know and often undock right after 15 minutes is up.
No longer true. With the long history of CCP breaking and attempting to fix aggro timers, the misunderstanding is understandable.
As it currently stands aggro extension is possible by shooting wrecks, but sometimes requires a session change and even then may be unpredictable.
On the victim's side, however, the timer will update as far as I have seen and been told. The "someone can kill you!" warning popup still appears.
And a senior GM has stated that the functionality is something for which CCP will consider reimbursement for. At this point, I am not personally using aggro extension mechanics. I agree with others that wish CCP would, whether they fix it or not, at least come down one way or the other about it being an exploit. This would be similar to the neutral POS repping aggro mechanics which allow a neutral third party to repair a POS in hisec without war targets being able to do jack or squat about it. CCP has declared it to be an exploit, but has not fixed it. |
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