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AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 18:02:00 - [1] Goldmen's Sacks IPO ò Chapter 1 - Summary of Goldmen's Sacks ò Chapter 2 - Background on origins/idea/current business ò Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance ò Chapter 4 - The Business Plan ò Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets ò Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks ò Chapter 7 - Exit Strategy ò Chapter 8 - IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap ò Chapter 9 - FAQ Chapter 1 - Summary of Goldmen's Sacks GoMeS will engage in various forms of trading and industry. Most of the trading done is inter-regional arbitrage. I do dabble in station trading and short term speculation if I deem the opportunity worthwhile. I also run PI colonies across multiple accounts and alts. Chapter 2 - Background on origins/idea/current business This is what I essentially already do for my isk, this is my main, I've been playing this game for about 3 months and I have amassed a NAV over 20B isk without selling plexes and in fact buying plexes with isk to pay for my 3 accounts. I am selling a portion of my profits so I can expand my industrial base with capital from investors whose trust I will have earned over time. Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance This corporation has only me and my alts in it. It is a one man trade/indy corp, I have a pvp toon that I use for muscle in my industrial pursuits as well as miscellaneous pirating. I will at all times control over 50% of the shares in the corp.
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 18:04:00 - [2] Chapter 4 - The Business Plan The corp will have a NAV of 10B isk to begin with. There are 50,000 shares in the corp and I will be selling 1,000 initially. Those 2%(1,000 of 50,000) of shares will be entitled to 1.8% of the NAV growth monthly that other .2% or 10% of all NAV growth will be my fee. At the end of each month the corp NAV will be reset to 10B with the excess funds being paid out in dividends to shareholders and my 10% NAV growth fee. The plan is to slowly release shares at increasing prices. But the NAV will always be reset to 10B each month. Ideally, the more capital investors decide to invest in this corp the higher NAV growth I can provide each month. Like I mentioned before, the main ISK making activities of this corp will be inter-regional arbitrage and PI colonies. I intend to expand into large scale manufacturing and hi sec pos operation when I feel like I've done enough market research and have enough alts with the required skills to make use of said pos. Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets 6B Liquid ISK 4B Assests, most of which are in courier contracts being shipped to Jita, other stuff which I move myself Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks 1. War Dec - I would have to stop moving the small amount of stuff I do and rely even more on courier contracts. No real risk for loss since I don't have a hi sec pos or anything. 2. Hit by bus/Burnout - I would be open to a BoD once I have enough unsecured capital, such as at least 10B+ but in the meantime you will have to trust that I will not drop and die or scam. My activities are relatively low maintenance and as I said before, I've only been playing eve for 3 months so the chances of burnout are pretty low.
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 18:07:00 - [3] Chapter 7 - Exit Strategy I will offer a permanent buyback of shares at 95% of the average value of all the shares that I have sold. Ideally though, you will be able to get more for your shares on the free market than what I will be offering and I encourage would be investors to resell their shares to other investors. Chapter 8 - IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap Total # of shares: 50,000 Shares allocated for IPO: 1,000 Price per share: 100,000 Isk Initial Market Capitalization: 100,000,000 Isk Dividends Paid Monthly Projected Dividends: 50,000-150,000 Isk per share New shares will not under any circumstances be created without a shareholder vote that I will abstain from. A portion of existing shares will be offered to the public after the first dividend payment on Oct. 1st. Chapter 9 - FAQ Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? A: MD rep is worth far more than 100 million Isk. Q: How do you know you'll be successful? A: You do not, but if ever you find dividends unsatisfactory you can always sell your shares back to me through the permanent buyback guarantee. Q: Why are you doing this? A: To accumulate trust and raise funds for any capital intensive endeavors I might like to get into in the future, namely but not limited to, large scale manufacturing. Q: Do you intend to have an audit done at some point? A: Not for the initial offering, but I do plan to have one done eventually. I would have an audit done when I believe the cost of one could be recouped easily the increased prices shares would demand as a result of the audit. That or when my investors clamor for it. Q: Will you ever buy back shares? A: Yes, permanent buyback at 95% of average of value of shares that I've sold. Q: Will you ever pay over 50-150k dividends per share? A: I do not know. I may have a month where I pay more followed by a month where I pay less than that range. This is an IPO not a bond so returns are never guaranteed or necessarily stable.
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 18:14:00 - [4] reserved
Fisktic	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:02:00 - [5] To clarify, these shares are available currently?
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Fisktic To clarify, these shares are available currently? Correct, Cista2 is in possession of 1k GoMeS shares.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:14:00 - [7] Confirmed, you can buy them from me now. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Slarria Duponi	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:18:00 - [8] I would like 100 shares please.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.09.01 20:21:00 - [9] The 1,000 GOMES shares have now been sold. You can set up buy orders and sell orders with LLSE - an easy way of doing it is to post WTB and WTS on the "LLSE" mail list - everybody will see your order immediately. If you want to put isk in escrow contact me. Without escrow your order expires after 2 weeks. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.09.01 23:28:00 - [10] Thanks for the interest, investors can expect their first dividend on October 1st.
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.10.01 07:25:00 - [11] Just paid out September's dividend, it came out to 79,560 Isk per share. NAV growth was 4.42B. My cut is 10% of 4.42b so for this month it was 442m isk. 4.42b - 442m = 3.978b 50k shares in the corp, 49k of which I own and 1k which investors own. 3.978b/50,000 shares = 79,560 isk per share. NAV growth would have been much higher but I made some silly decisions. I believe on average I can earn much more than that per month and I still need more training time on my indy toons before large amounts of additional capital are needed. That being the case I will not be selling off any additional shares this month. However, expect a larger batch than the original issue to come up for sale on the first of November. My original investors already have a 80% ROI after one slow (slowest?) month. Potential and current investors feel free to evemail or post any questions or comments you may have.
Vagus Bellum Deep Axion Excessum Gaming	Posted - 2010.10.01 07:52:00 - [12] Confirming payout of dividends. Thank you and continued luck.
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.11.03 14:52:00 - [13] Edited by: AnthonyKiedis on 03/11/2010 14:54:06 Sorry for the delay guys, extended DT messed me up. Just paid out Oct dividend. Came out to 174,960 isk per share. NAV growth was 9.72B. My fee was 972m. 8.748B was paid out in dividends to shares, 98% of which I still own. Total paid out per share is 254,520 isk, or over a 250% ROI on original issue price in 2 months. NAV growth total is on the conservative side as I have a few speculative loans out and I did not take into account the value of the collateral I put up, merely the size of the loan. So this estimate assumes I get scammed by my lenders which is unlikely. In reality NAV growth will likely see a nice boost when I conclude the loans and sell off the collateral. I'm offering 1000 additional shares up for sale at 1.2M per share. Standard LLSE rules apply, any shares not sold 72 hours from this post shall be returned to me. 1k shares sent to Cista2 to be immediately available for trading.
Saidin Thor	Posted - 2010.11.03 17:31:00 - [14] Confirming payout of the amount specified, my thanks.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.11.04 14:26:00 - [15] Originally by: AnthonyKiedis NAV growth total is on the conservative side as I have a few speculative loans out and I did not take into account the value of the collateral I put up, merely the size of the loan. So this estimate assumes I get scammed by my lenders which is unlikely. I'll profit by buying some of your shares instead.
egola Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.04 14:50:00 - [16] Edited by: egola on 04/11/2010 14:55:24 Originally by: AnthonyKiedis Edited by: AnthonyKiedis on 03/11/2010 14:54:06 Sorry for the delay guys, extended DT messed me up. Just paid out Oct dividend. Came out to 174,960 isk per share. NAV growth was 9.72B. My fee was 972m. 8.748B was paid out in dividends to shares, 98% of which I still own. Total paid out per share is 254,520 isk, or over a 250% ROI on original issue price in 2 months. NAV growth total is on the conservative side as I have a few speculative loans out and I did not take into account the value of the collateral I put up, merely the size of the loan. So this estimate assumes I get scammed by my lenders which is unlikely. In reality NAV growth will likely see a nice boost when I conclude the loans and sell off the collateral. I'm offering 1000 additional shares up for sale at 1.2M per share. Standard LLSE rules apply, any shares not sold 72 hours from this post shall be returned to me. 1k shares sent to Cista2 to be immediately available for trading. is 100 still the maximum amount of shares tradeable? or am i allowed to buy more then 100 shares?
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.11.04 15:15:00 - [17] Originally by: egola is 100 still the maximum amount of shares tradeable? or am i allowed to buy more then 100 shares? It is max. 100 shares in a 2-week period through LLSE. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.11.04 20:39:00 - [18] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: AnthonyKiedis NAV growth total is on the conservative side as I have a few speculative loans out and I did not take into account the value of the collateral I put up, merely the size of the loan. So this estimate assumes I get scammed by my lenders which is unlikely. I'll profit by buying some of your shares instead. I wonder if this would qualify as insider trading? :)
egola Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 02:02:00 - [19] Edited by: egola on 05/11/2010 02:05:50 put me down for 100, do i send 120 mil to cista or?
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:07:00 - [20] Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 05/11/2010 02:05:50 put me down for 100, do i send 120 mil to cista or? Yes, send the isk to Cista2.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:28:00 - [21] 75 shares available now. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
Gaitrie Minmatar Eberron Industries	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:42:00 - [22] I will take the last 75
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.11.05 07:56:00 - [23] The second issue of GOMES have now been sold. As always, you can set up buy and sell orders through LLSE. Buy orders usually find a seller if they are reasonably priced. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
egola Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.05 21:54:00 - [24] sorry for the delay, payments might have to wait until tommorow, currently renovating the place and unplugged my router and other appliances to make room for flooring, if possible please hold onto my share until then. (P.S. currently using a public kiosk for forum access, ingame access still pending, will try to send payment ASAP when i can get a hold of a unpassworded connection with my laptop
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2010.11.05 22:09:00 - [25] Originally by: egola sorry for the delay Hey, sorry but LLSE does not take any reservations on shares. You can set up a buy order if you wish, and there are currently GOMES shares on sale @ 1.5 mil isk. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market
AnthonyKiedis Goldmen's Sacks	Posted - 2010.11.06 00:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Cista2 The second issue of GOMES have now been sold. As always, you can set up buy and sell orders through LLSE. Buy orders usually find a seller if they are reasonably priced. Thanks guys, next dividend payout is Dec. 1st. Feel free to evemail me any questions.
Ahmail	Posted - 2010.12.02 06:40:00 - [27] Why did anthonykiedis change corporations?
Beren Farlander Far Lands Advanced Reactions	Posted - 2010.12.02 14:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Beren Farlander on 02/12/2010 14:17:26 Originally by: AnthonyKiedis Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? A: MD rep is worth far more than 100 million Isk. But does 3 month MD rep = 1,045.48 mil ISK ? Cost of 2 share sales: 1k @ 100k isk + 1k @ 1.2m isk - Sept 79.6m & Oct 175m isk dividend payouts Time will tell. Apologies if this is a totally legit offering. I'm just feeling cynical this AM. And not that I have a better MD rep, but then again I don't owe anybody anything :) Ad Astra Per Aspera
RAW23	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:00:00 - [29] Am I missing something? Is there a reason the OP should not have changed corps? Unless he joined the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels ofc
Darrigaaz	Posted - 2010.12.02 23:01:00 - [30] Originally by: AnthonyKiedis Thanks guys, next dividend payout is Dec. 1st. Feel free to evemail me any questions. It's Dec 2nd. Anybody get their dividends yet? (Haven't been online personally to check)
AnthonyKiedis Gotham Solutions	Posted - 2010.12.04 00:57:00 - [31] Sorry about the delay guys, life has been pretty hectic recently with holiday travel and the like. From now on dividends will be paid out on the 5th of every month as too many things are going on for me at the beginning of each month. I did indeed switch corps with this character for pos operation purposes as I said would eventually happen. I did not make it clear that me leaving Goldmen's Sacks was bound to happen and for that I apologize as I can see how that fact combined with the unexplained late dividends could lead to MDers getting the wrong ideas. Rest assured though Goldmen's Sacks is under my alt's, StanleyYelnats, control and he will be the one paying out the dividends from this point forward. Total isk paid out in dividends for November was 8.406B. That comes out to 168,120 isk per share. Month was a little slower than I would have liked since I was not able to play about the last third of the month for reasons already mentioned. However, I have not yet cashed out the vast majority of my speculative loans and NAV growth does not reflect the current value of the collateral, only the size of the loans I have out against that collateral. Said collateral has appreciated %50+ since I took the loans out, something my creditors, Ambo and Raw23 can choose to confirm if they want, preferably without disclosing what the collateral actually consists of. I will not be offering anymore shares to the public this month as I do not have a readily available use for additional capital atm. However, I do plan to offer more than 1k shares next month outside of LLSE as I do not feel the 100 share purchase limit is adequate for where I want to take GoMeS. Feel free to evemail any questions and again, sorry for the delay and fly safe till next month.
Saidin Thor	Posted - 2010.12.04 01:25:00 - [32] Confirming receipt of November interest in the amount stated.
Darrigaaz	Posted - 2010.12.04 03:53:00 - [33] Posting to confirm receipt of November's dividends as stated. Thanks for the explanation.
Eckstacy	Posted - 2011.01.09 00:10:00 - [34] Any news on this month's dividends?
Vagus Bellum Viziam	Posted - 2011.01.09 23:04:00 - [35] Also curious about his months dividends or did the OP succumb to IRL.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.01.09 23:12:00 - [36] Just a heads up for investors in this, the OP defaulted on his loan with me so make of that what you will. It was fully collateralised and he lost about 5bil by defaulting so I'm guessing RL issues rather than a money grab. Whether that will make any difference to this investment is another question but we can still hope.
Eckstacy	Posted - 2011.01.10 06:47:00 - [37] In fairness, its not a massive blow to me, I would suspect RL too and I just wish the owner of the IPO luck if so that they are resolved in good time.
Ambo Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.01.10 07:30:00 - [38] Interesting, he has a collateralised loan with me as well. Again, stands to lose about 5 billion if he defaults. First interest payment was late and this one is now ten days late as well... I've eve-mailed and will give him until the end of this week, then I'll have to consider it a default. --------------------------------------
laksmi2	Posted - 2011.01.10 11:22:00 - [39] losing 5+5 b collateral because being some days late for showing up in game seems harsh no?
RAW23	Posted - 2011.01.10 11:46:00 - [40] Edited by: RAW23 on 10/01/2011 11:47:52 Originally by: laksmi2 losing 5+5 b collateral because being some days late for showing up in game seems harsh no? I run my loan business as a business. If someone is a day late they are technically in default. I give them a reminder mail when they are 3-4 days late and then a final notice giving them 24 hours after 6 days. At the one week point I take possession of the collateral if I haven't heard anything. Ambo seems to be more generous than me with time but the principle is the same - if you provide loans there has to be some cutoff point at which the loan is officially ended. The only unusual thing here is that the collateral appreciated so much during the loan term. This did give me pause but, on reflection, I came to the conclusion that this should not provide any special privileges over those people who default on loans with 110% collateral. tl;dr - if you take out a collateralised loan pay it back at the agreed upon time. If you don't, then pay it back near the agreed upon time. If you don't manage the latter, be prepared to lose your collateral, the precise purpose of which is to protect me against people not paying when they should.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.10 11:57:00 - [41] What happens to the profit made on the collateral? Do you refund that to the client or keep it for yourself?
RAW23	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:05:00 - [42] Edited by: RAW23 on 10/01/2011 12:07:35 Originally by: Liberty Eternal What happens to the profit made on the collateral? Do you refund that to the client or keep it for yourself? The loan is collateralised against the items, not against a fixed amount of isk, so no, I don't intend to refund the profit to the defaulter. Bear in mind that I took a risk in taking on this collateral - speculation stocks can go down as well as up and I could have ended up holding collateral worth half, rather than double, the loan in the event of a default. No one would have refunded me that loss. Since the collateral consists of PI stocks that will take some days to unload and I insisted that I was not willing to hold this collateral through the patch, I have another good, but incidental, reason for not providing extra time. I am happy to talk with Ambo, however, about the possibility of buying up the shares in this investment at original purchase value if this IPO goes silent. Edit - Just to clarify, if I was in contact with the defaulter the question might well be different. If I am holding collateral and someone wants to sell it while I hold it, and pay me out of the proceeds, I am normally amenable to that so long as I am compensated for the extra work involved. But in cases where there is no communication I want to move on as quickly as possible and put the isk back into play.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:11:00 - [43] Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 10/01/2011 12:07:35 Originally by: Liberty Eternal What happens to the profit made on the collateral? Do you refund that to the client or keep it for yourself? The loan is collateralised against the items, not against a fixed amount of isk, so no, I don't intend to refund the profit to the defaulter. Bear in mind that I took a risk in taking on this collateral - speculation stocks can go down as well as up and I could have ended up holding collateral worth half, rather than double, the loan in the event of a default. No one would have refunded me that loss. Yes, if you are personally taking on the risk of a loss then you are entitled to any potential profit involved in that position. However, what if you were holding collateral as a third-party for a bond and a similar situation occured - am I correct in assuming that any profit would be handed over to the investors as they are the risk-takers?
RAW23	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 10/01/2011 12:22:07 Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 10/01/2011 12:07:35 Originally by: Liberty Eternal What happens to the profit made on the collateral? Do you refund that to the client or keep it for yourself? The loan is collateralised against the items, not against a fixed amount of isk, so no, I don't intend to refund the profit to the defaulter. Bear in mind that I took a risk in taking on this collateral - speculation stocks can go down as well as up and I could have ended up holding collateral worth half, rather than double, the loan in the event of a default. No one would have refunded me that loss. Yes, if you are personally taking on the risk of a loss then you are entitled to any potential profit involved in that position. However, what if you were holding collateral as a third-party for a bond and a similar situation occured - am I correct in assuming that any profit would be handed over to the investors as they are the risk-takers? Edit: Or do you guarantee 100% repayment of principal to all investors in the event of a default where the collateral is insufficient to cover the losses? Apologies for my lack of familiarity with your business model. It would depend on the particular agreement. For instance, when I secured the Tiberius Adama bond I posted that in the event of default I would pay out 15.3billion isk, so any profit or loss on the collateral would have been assumed by me. I chose that option as the collateral consisted of blueprints and it would have been a pain to keep track of 12 different sales over a period of 2-3 weeks and to justify the prices I got as 'best value' for the investors. However, if the collateral had been market items that could have been dumped straight to buy orders I would have been open to going down the other route. But simply assuming the isk liability is generally the easiest option as it is the cleanest approach and ensures that the investors get back what they put in. I'm not sure what approach Grendell would take in thte event of a default on my own secured bond. I assume that the proceeds of the collateral would go to the investors as he didn't state any fixed isk amount and in my previous secured bond posted occassional updates for the investors on the current value of the collateral (which is currently at 225-250%, all of which I would expect to lose if I defaulted).
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:54:00 - [45] Ok, thanks for answering. This is something that should surely always be clarified at the outset though, and should be explicitly made clear. Any ambiguity would seem to provide the collteral holder with a mechanism to transfer all risks in the event of a loss while retaining all profit in the event of a collateral value increase. It potentially also provides conflict of interest, to either push unforgivingly or show great tolerance depending on financial incentives. For example, if you were incommunicado for a short period, you could return to find your collateral unforgivingly liquidated. A position that Anthony Kiedis is finding himself in.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.01.10 13:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Ok, thanks for answering. This is something that should surely always be clarified at the outset though, and should be explicitly made clear. Any ambiguity would seem to provide the collteral holder with a mechanism to transfer all risks in the event of a loss while retaining all profit in the event of a collateral value increase. It potentially also provides conflict of interest, to either push unforgivingly or show great tolerance depending on financial incentives. For example, if you were incommunicado for a short period, you could return to find your collateral unforgivingly liquidated. A position that Anthony Kiedis is finding himself in. With regard to collateral holding (whether it is the collateral or the isk value that is being secured), I think you are correct that clarity should become the standard (hurries off to clarify psoition in recently secured IPO). However, in the case of loan terms, thing's are already clear. The loan is due the day it is due. Anything beyond that is a grace period provided entirely optionally by the lender. Now, I think it would be a bad lender, from a business perspective, who didn't provide for a bit of flexibility as borrowers will not want to be chained to a specific hour for repayment. But I don't think that allowing a loan to run for an additional 25% of its term over the due date is 'unforgiving'. The only reason it looks harsh in this case is because of the final value of the collateral.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.10 13:20:00 - [47] Originally by: RAW23 With regard to collateral holding (whether it is the collateral or the isk value that is being secured), I think you are correct that clarity should become the standard (hurries off to clarify psoition in recently secured IPO). However, in the case of loan terms, thing's are already clear. The loan is due the day it is due. Anything beyond that is a grace period provided entirely optionally by the lender. Now, I think it would be a bad lender, from a business perspective, who didn't provide for a bit of flexibility as borrowers will not want to be chained to a specific hour for repayment. But I don't think that allowing a loan to run for an additional 25% of its term over the due date is 'unforgiving'. The only reason it looks harsh in this case is because of the final value of the collateral. Yes, you're right - that maybe came over as a little more critical than I meant. Clearly, the investee is in breach of contract - as far as business ethics go, he broke the contract so it's his loss. The grounds for perceiving it as harsh [either on the investee or the investors] would be if there was any lack of clarity concerning the terms - ie if they were in some way ambiguous, even unintentionally - and as a result of this ambiguity risks/profits were seen to be misallocated. It's nothing that a little clarity can't resolve - however an absence of clarity at the outset could potentially become a large issue later on.
Ahmail	Posted - 2011.02.19 18:39:00 - [48] AnthonyKiedis was probably banned for using Python injection. Dont expect to receive anything back from G-Solutions.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.02.19 23:15:00 - [49] YOUR SOLO ALBUM SUCKED ?

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