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Mr Buckman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:09:00 -
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I almost have the skills to fly the ship, plus all the recomened certs.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Mr Buckman
I almost have the skills to fly the ship, plus all the recomened certs.
Woot?
Wait, was there a question?
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Mr Buckman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:18:00 -
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Yes idont know what ship to choose
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Templatus
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:20:00 -
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If you're going solo, bring a Jaguar.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:21:00 -
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If your going solo, use a Wolf
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Vivian Marcos
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:28:00 -
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Ahahaha at the above 2 post. It is Wolf for solo, and Jaguar for teams.
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Mr Buckman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:30:00 -
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k ty
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 02/09/2010 12:44:35
I see the forums are giving the usual amazing advice...
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Natalie Caladan
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:46:00 -
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Get both!!
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Akisawa
Caldari
Path Of The Cursed
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:53:00 -
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Get Dramiel!
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LiNuXb0y
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:00:00 -
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Where is Zeba, he cant resist a good old Jag vs wolf thread 
Ive always found the Wolf better I find the lack of tracking on the jag a big issue even with a TE, you end up missing alot or getting ****ty hits. The jags one advantage is its speed which can be useful to gtfo but i dont think that makes it better, just better at running away when the time comes.
This is my wolf fit:
[Wolf, pvp]
Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:07:00 -
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Wolves Armor tank, Jags shield tank.
Wolves tend to only fit a Warp scram and an After burner, but can fit more DPS mods in the low slots. Jags can fit AB, Web, and Point, but at the cost of tank. Jags generally don't get the mod DPS boost.
As for which, it really depends on a lot of different factors. Honestly, they are not extremely expensive ships, get one of each and try them both. They seem to be the one Assualt Frigate group where people like both, instead of only one. (look at Gallente, you rarely see the Enyo).
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Opertone
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:13:00 -
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wolf is for DPS and solo...
jaguar has good locking, good speed, ideal for MWD, point and SENSOR boosters
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Mr Buckman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:52:00 -
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K i may just buy both that will take awhile since i just recently fitted my rupture for level 2 and some level 3 mission
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2010.09.02 14:47:00 -
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If it is for mission running stick to your rupture, skill out cruiser, T2 guns etc. then upgrade to BC5 would be my advice.
I did also go for Assault frig in the beginning and found it to be rather unrewarding. Well, aside acquiring must-have skills in the process and maybe for running plexes with entry limit (cosmos).
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Mr Buckman
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:21:00 -
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Ty guys for being so helpful
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 02/09/2010 17:25:28
Originally by: LiNuXb0y
Where is Zeba, he cant resist a good old Jag vs wolf thread
*glances around*
Nope not a good one.
*wanders off*
Also: wtb wolf with tracking bonus
edit; now here is a good jag vs wolf thread
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.03 19:40:00 -
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Buy five of both. Fit how you like. After you have lost all of them, think about which one got at least two trips or more. Then narrow it down and buy then of those. Fit how you like. Repeat. When you get 3-4 trips on one ship...strip the rest, sell the mods and fit all like the "winner" and then concentrate your skills.
Win.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.03 21:08:00 -
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for pve your (best) progression path is:
lvl1: Rifter (-> thrasher/wolf/sabre)
lvl2: Rupture (-> wolf/sabre/vaga/muninn/cynabal)
lvl3: Hurricane (-> Sleipnir)
lvl4: Maelstrom (-> Vargur/Machariel)
*Ships within () are high-sp/experience/wealth alternatives superior to their T1 counterparts sorted from left to right progressing in missions completion speed.
If you want the optimal speedy progression path to doing lvl4's well I recommend:
rifter -> rupture -> hurricane -> maelstrom -> vargur
And from that point you have a solid basis from which to build PVP (t2 ship) skills.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:31:00 -
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Imagine the Muninn having the bonuses of the Vagabond and vice versa. The jag/wolf have that kind of confusion to them. They both need fixing. I would love it if they both got an extra slot as well as a tracking bonus. T2 ships should have more then one extra slot over their T1 counterpart's - especially in the wolf's case where a mid actually gets stripped to become an extra high.
Imagine a 5-3-4 Wolf or a 4-4-4 Jag. Swap their optimal/falloff bonuses. Add a tracking bonus. Adjust fittings. Done.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
Imagine a 5-3-4 Wolf or a 4-4-4 Jag. Swap their optimal/falloff bonuses. Add a tracking bonus. Adjust fittings. Done.
 In our dreams mate, in our dreams..
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
for pve your (best) progression path is:
lvl1: Rifter (-> thrasher/wolf/sabre)
lvl2: Rupture (-> wolf/sabre/vaga/muninn/cynabal)
lvl3: Hurricane (-> Sleipnir)
lvl4: Maelstrom (-> Vargur/Machariel)
*Ships within () are high-sp/experience/wealth alternatives superior to their T1 counterparts sorted from left to right progressing in missions completion speed.
Hmm. I'd probably add both a Jaguar and a Dramiel to the L1 and L2 lists. Maybe a Firetail as well, though it's just not all that great. And I think I'd reverse the Mach/Varg, but at that point it's so close as to not really matter anyhow.
As far as whether to get a Jag or a Wolf goes, do indeed get both. I happen to slightly prefer the Jag for PvE, but that's mostly because I'm lazy and massively prefer shield buffer tanks (even on, say, a Slicer).
The Wolf is... controversial. The two mid slots limit it to fitting a prop mod and incomplete tackle -- but it can toss out quite a bit of damage. The Jag is undeniably more versatile in PvP even if it doesn't have the same damage potential. Plus, the Jag is very pretty (if that sort of thing matters to you).
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 04/09/2010 12:37:26
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
Imagine a 5-3-4 Wolf or a 4-4-4 Jag. Swap their optimal/falloff bonuses. Add a tracking bonus. Adjust fittings. Done.
In our dreams mate, in our dreams..
I got a better one:
same slot config for both.
wolf gets a 10% dmg bonus to the frigate skill (5% dmg + 5% dmg, kinda like the taranis), falloff + optimal to the AF skill and +5 (or 10) base CPU and +5 grid.
jag gets yet the same dmg bonus on the frigate skill, but on the AF it gets falloff + tracking.
result: wolf deals ****load of damage and it is versatile at the level of weaponry it can choose (proficient in both AC's and arties), and the jag is a proper zomg AC shield buffer speed boat (sorta).
...the jag would probably be somewhat imba like this however... but I'm really not that sure. would require testing.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zarnak Wulf on 04/09/2010 14:14:42
Small artillery needs a tracking bonus to really shine. 
The other point I'd make is that in it's current configuration the wolf comes very close w/ four turret hardpoints and a double damage bonus to the "on paper" DPS of the ishkur and even the enyo. When you look at practical ranges their really is no doubt - it does more damage then the gallente boats. For balance sake I'd argue this as a reason to make the wolf an arty boat.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
For balance sake I'd argue this as a reason to make the wolf an arty boat.
true, but being somewhat versatile is also good. making the wolf proficient in dealing damage in both short and long ranges would be an interesting option, thus my sugestion in having both optimal and falloff bonuses, because while both bonuses don't benefit one range at 100%, they do help somewhat both AC's and arties.
AC's with barrage could use a bit more optimal, and the arties falloff would be somewhat boosted.
in sum: proficient in both AC's and arties, but not zomgawesome in either.
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Dusica
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:35:00 -
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wolf bites and is frigate killer at its finest.
jaguar is more versatyle tackler
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ava Starfire on 06/09/2010 16:06:27
I prefer the wolf these days; I have been running 4x150s, neut or nos (frigs, neut; cruisers, nos) MWD + scram, TE, named EANM, DCU, 200RTP lows, dps rigs.
YMMV.
EDIT-EANM not ANP.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:51:00 -
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I see no real point in the wolf; just bring a thrasher. The jag is more interesting however. I say go Jag.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2010.09.06 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
I see no real point in the wolf; just bring a thrasher. The jag is more interesting however. I say go Jag.
Thrashers only get used for solo-skirmishing or lol-suicide fleets. The entire destroyer class needs to be redone from the ground up. (and as such should not be used in any balancing discussions.)
I could show up for a fleet in a wolf. If I show up in a thrasher they will tell me to go get something else.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2010.09.06 18:39:00 -
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[jag,awesome]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Coreli B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Shield Extender II
Gistii B-type Small Shield Booster
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Low slots can be fit to how you like but this thing pretty much destroys any t1 frig/cruiser and most t2 counterparts. It's a very tight fit.
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Hyey
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