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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
I would not jump to conclusions there quite so fast. The forum rules clearly state:
#13 # Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Posts which discuss an exploit or a potential/suggested bug or exploit are deleted as a matter of course.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Lance Fighter Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
I would not jump to conclusions there quite so fast. The forum rules clearly state:
#13 # Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Posts which discuss an exploit or a potential/suggested bug or exploit are deleted as a matter of course.
meanie :(
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: King Gore on 04/09/2010 17:12:31
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Lance Fighter Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
I would not jump to conclusions there quite so fast. The forum rules clearly state:
#13 # Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Posts which discuss an exploit or a potential/suggested bug or exploit are deleted as a matter of course.
meanie :(
Indeed
EDIT: **** my spelling - Scream for me. I'll die for you. # ...and the man with the smile has something else planned. # |

Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community.
Unnecessary panic means that a certain ongoing low level of panic in the community is necessary...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:21:00 -
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.... ......
not reproducible. Sorry guys.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: CCP Navigator Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community.
Unnecessary panic means that a certain ongoing low level of panic in the community is necessary...
Of course. CCP doesn't actually make any money form EVE, they make money by secretly recording videos of the players panicking and selling those videos.
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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:18:00 -
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this bug(exploit or whever u wanna call it) excists.
few of my alliance and alls corpies have been concorded or have gotten red timer due to this.
2 guys attacked a WT... target escaped.
1 other from the same corp tackle and kill the same target.
1st guy got concorded(he wasnt even near the fight where the target died), second got red global timer (was docked)
the guy who killed the target was fine.
dont think it happens every time... just on some set circumstances.
FIX PLOX :)
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Lance Fighter Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
I would not jump to conclusions there quite so fast. The forum rules clearly state:
#13 # Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Posts which discuss an exploit or a potential/suggested bug or exploit are deleted as a matter of course.
Your right but here is the thing......
This exploit has been around for the best part of 1.5 Years, I as well as other people I fly with have Petitioned it , petitoned it and petitioned it NOTHING has been done. Last week I sent in other petition and it took the GM several days to know what I was going on about, according to him the other person did nothing wrong ..... 
FACT...
Several petitions have been sent in by people I fly with over the past 12months, who understand and know how make the exploit work.
We have even offered to get on the test server and show you how it can be done. Nothing came of it.
CCP's left hand don't seem to talk to the right hand.
According to one petiton a follow member received from a GM it was NOT a exploit 
It's another thread that will soon be deleted among the countless of other threads and petitions sent it regarding this issue. If you search for this problem you won't find anything about it since CCP have deleted all the threads regarding this.
Best CCP can do it patch a "problem" that 99% of eve users don't even use. ( see last weeks patch) then FIX a problem that anyone is vulnerable too.
Remember this "exploit" the OP got victim to has been around for 1.5years, probably longer and yet CCP either can't figure out how it's done or it's there 17 month list  .
fyi... to the OP, you should get your ship back by petitioning it If the GM don't know what your going on about ask to talk to a senior GM.
Bottom line this exploit makes you lose sec status, lose your ship since concord blow you up and most likely people have kill rights on you. Only thing that needs to happen is for you to undock, and if you don't undock and it happens you lose sec status.
Other people have given up petitioning the problem since CCP have done nothing about it.
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Adminious Leehigh
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Posted - 2010.09.14 06:00:00 -
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One more item added to the list of why I will (most likely) not be resubbing... Should've just stayed away and not gotten sucked back in by the free month offer...
I'll be back in around a year and see if this crap and other vital-to-player-happiness crap (i.e. lolkets) has even been touched.... If so, I MAY come back... I can deal with lag.. EVE is a HUGE game and problems like lag are inevitable, but when it comes to basic game mechanics being broken for so long, there is NO excuse...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.14 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Lance Fighter Edited by: Lance Fighter on 04/09/2010 16:40:25
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
yo... you have to define something as an exploit before its an exploit, and thus non-discussable.
Also, no EVIDENCE was at, all i knew was heresay :D edit although, the fact that you deleted it is fairly proof enough that your afraid it works
I would not jump to conclusions there quite so fast. The forum rules clearly state:
#13 # Do not post about bugs and exploits.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
Posts which discuss an exploit or a potential/suggested bug or exploit are deleted as a matter of course.
Your right but here is the thing......
This exploit has been around for the best part of 1.5 Years, I as well as other people I fly with have Petitioned it , petitoned it and petitioned it NOTHING has been done. Last week I sent in other petition and it took the GM several days to know what I was going on about, according to him the other person did nothing wrong ..... 
And in 1,5 years you haven't learned the difference between a petition and a bug report?
If you petition this kind of bug you get nothing, you need to do a detailed bug report, especially if you or your friends are capable of reproducing it.
The first and more important step for the bug hunters is reproducing a bug.
Maybe you don't know it but GM and Developers aren't the same people, the GM often are third party employees and not CCP personell, so there is relatively little communication between the 2 groups and, to make things worse, the GM often don't know what is a problem worth signaling to the developement team and what is a already know problem.
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Zeuth Proxy
Caldari Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2010.09.14 06:20:00 -
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Shouldn't this thread be locked? I R confused.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.14 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 14/09/2010 08:18:13
Originally by: Zeuth Proxy Shouldn't this thread be locked? I R confused.
It's useless to lock this thread.
The full uncensored thread has been saved on the known 3rd party site for everyone to see and copy the exploit off.
Edit: and now that the undisclosed exploit is public (I can see it right now even now that got erased from this forum) you can only expect everyone and their dog are going heavy on doing it, because it's quite fun to cause billions of damage by losing a frigate. Till the bug is fixed that is. - Auditing & consulting
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Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.14 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Zavulon Sukkot on 14/09/2010 13:06:31 +1 I've filed a bugreport on this before with detailed reproduction steps, but it seems that CCP doesnt have time to actually have devs look at bugs, and relies on only single-account using BH volunteers.
+1 if you've filed an actual bugreport on this before.  NATI. |

Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.14 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 14/09/2010 14:01:31
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
Hey, you know, maybe people might actually give a toss about sending those in, if it didn't take six months before they're processed?
I've got one that's approching 4 months, about a possible exploit to prevent POS guns from firing on you, unless someone manually fires them. 4 months.
Seems the only way ANYone can get you guys attention is to make exploits like that public knowlage, with every tom/****/harry doing it instead of keeping it on the lowdown while you fix it.
Edit: And yes, I'm mad about it. Don't tell us to 'make bug reports' when they're not read. ------------------------
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.14 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 14/09/2010 14:01:31
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
Hey, you know, maybe people might actually give a toss about sending those in, if it didn't take six months before they're processed?
I've got one that's approching 4 months, about a possible exploit to prevent POS guns from firing on you, unless someone manually fires them. 4 months.
Seems the only way ANYone can get you guys attention is to make exploits like that public knowlage, with every tom/****/harry doing it instead of keeping it on the lowdown while you fix it.
Edit: And yes, I'm mad about it. Don't tell us to 'make bug reports' when they're not read.
I got one that's the same thing, I reproduced the effects flawlessly about a dozen times myself, taking screenshots, documentation and video. I filed a bug report and got "we cannot reproduce" so I sent in the entire video, no response. This was about 4 months ago.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.09.14 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 14/09/2010 14:01:31
Originally by: CCP Navigator Guys and girls,
The rules are quite clear that exploits should not be discussed on the forums. If you have evidence of an exploit then please submit a detailed bug report with the relevant information.
Hey, you know, maybe people might actually give a toss about sending those in, if it didn't take six months before they're processed?
I've got one that's approching 4 months, about a possible exploit to prevent POS guns from firing on you, unless someone manually fires them. 4 months.
Seems the only way ANYone can get you guys attention is to make exploits like that public knowlage, with every tom/****/harry doing it instead of keeping it on the lowdown while you fix it.
Edit: And yes, I'm mad about it. Don't tell us to 'make bug reports' when they're not read.
Agreed. I am sick to death of CCP telling us to do THEIR job for them again and again, condescending to us as if we were children - insisting we fill out these worthless bugreports - and then not bothering to properly look at the reports, or even at all.
Really lame, CCP. ---
☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
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Ann Tsukamoto
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:47:00 -
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Crippling lag in 0.0, CONCORD exploits in highsec? This is all part of their effort to move us into lowsec, isn't it? 
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felchergod
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Posted - 2010.09.14 23:00:00 -
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don't dicuss these bug on the forum but petition and GM will say the computer says no so what you supposed to do?
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swiftstick
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Posted - 2010.09.14 23:39:00 -
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[ 2010.08.28 23:59:37 ] (notify) Warping to Hek I [ 2010.08.29 00:05:30 ] (notify) Warping to Hek I so maybe you did kill someone in this 5 min gap what do you think?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.09.15 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
And in 1,5 years you haven't learned the difference between a petition and a bug report?
If you petition this kind of bug you get nothing, you need to do a detailed bug report, especially if you or your friends are capable of reproducing it.
The first and more important step for the bug hunters is reproducing a bug.
Maybe you don't know it but GM and Developers aren't the same people, the GM often are third party employees and not CCP personell, so there is relatively little communication between the 2 groups and, to make things worse, the GM often don't know what is a problem worth signaling to the developement team and what is a already know problem.
we are talking exploits and not simple bugs, I'd much rather have the matter brought up with GMs than BHs. also I don't think I've seen any proof that gms are third party
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Squasar
Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 01:06:00 -
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I approve of this bug. Cloakies being CONCORDed is giving them what they deserve.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:43:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1384496
looks like someone is killing mission runners with it, I give it a few days to get fixed/declared an exploit
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:51:00 -
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A variation that isn't concord related seems to get mission runner ships targeted to be refunded, so it might be already classified as an exploit already.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha and now that the undisclosed exploit is public (I can see it right now even now that got erased from this forum) you can only expect everyone and their dog are going heavy on doing it, because it's quite fun to cause billions of damage by losing a frigate. Till the bug is fixed that is.
Of course now that it's a known exploit it's harder to claim ignorance, and you run the risk of getting permabanned, but hey, risk vs reward, right?
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Of course now that it's a known exploit it's harder to claim ignorance, and you run the risk of getting permabanned, but hey, risk vs reward, right?
1 year old character yet you don't know how things go in EvE? - Auditing & consulting
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.16 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Of course now that it's a known exploit it's harder to claim ignorance, and you run the risk of getting permabanned, but hey, risk vs reward, right?
1 year old character yet you don't know how things go in EvE?
Like the PI debacle: "Yes it's an exploit but we won't ban you for it"
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.17 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: F90OEX on 17/09/2010 03:00:09
Originally by: Venkul Mul
And in 1,5 years you haven't learned the difference between a petition and a bug report?
If you petition this kind of bug you get nothing, you need to do a detailed bug report, especially if you or your friends are capable of reproducing it.
The first and more important step for the bug hunters is reproducing a bug.
Maybe you don't know it but GM and Developers aren't the same people, the GM often are third party employees and not CCP personell, so there is relatively little communication between the 2 groups and, to make things worse, the GM often don't know what is a problem worth signaling to the developement team and what is a already know problem.
4 years playing Eve I have seen many exploits and bugs in eve I may not have been fully clear what channels we used to send the petitions to eve.... anything I send to CCP, been a bug or whatever I just call a petition.
We used this as a guideline...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
And everything requested including a detailed report, pics, KMs and how it works was sent here.
https://bugs.eveonline.com/newbugreport.asp
SINCE it's an exploit a shorter version was sent via petition>exploit
We did everything needed for CCP to correct the problem, and as of to date nothing as come of it. But yet you can use the exploit right now.
I and others have given up, since it seems to fall on deaf ears.
As I said the left hand of CCP don't seem to talk to the right hand of CCP.
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