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kangwo	Posted - 2010.09.03 18:59:00 - [1] Edited by: kangwo on 03/09/2010 19:02:24 I'm warning you,don't be a idiot such as racist! After looking at a few pictures of Detroit,what do you think should be done to improve it over all? addressing the infrastructure My Idea At the moment the current mayor is tearing down abandon neighborhoods,which would be part my idea.Yet I think he should go much further. I believe he should pass laws that require the obvious historical buildings to be saved and refurbish and restore them to their original glory,and repurpose them to their original use(in away). The historical buildings then can the be used to as center points,to rebuild community's around. These rebuilt community will allow 1.Far efficient to manage and improve for modern amenities,and infrastructure. 2.Much safer and better organize for the far too thinned out police departments to patrol and eliminate crime which include gang related crimes due to new infrastructure such as cameras that would be deployed but not in a privacy disturbing manner. 3.Allow smaller mom and pop stores and small business to flourish,and be required by law to deny large box marts indefinitely. 4.The housing markets will be able to flourish,due too so much of it's original unused cheap housing supply removed,. 5.business would want to come to these new neighbor hoods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal At the moment,We have to reinvent how we publicly transport people in the new communities by "train".The reason is because the current "Detroit_People_Mover" system, COSTS Detroit 12 million dollars a year. My idea is to replace all the light rail with Meglev,with a electricity and not hydrogen like some ideas that are currently floating around for Michigan. The Meglev will never "touch the ground" which could cause inefficient public transportation by delays, and possibly get in accidents by getting in the way of normal automotive traffic. Rather they will be always be on high elevated platforms. The Meglev could/can make money by advertising on the sides of the Meglev cars.The Meglev should be run by private corporations,as we all know government run services are far less efficient and innovating than private services. The Meglev system could also use the Detroit Union Depot,and refurbish it to it's original glory,minus the Meglev. The Meglev,or a possible high speed train could link together cites in Michigan,and out of state with either TRUE high-speed rail,or high-speed Meglev to cites like Buffalo,NYC Huston,and LA,and so on. Over all,this will create lots of jobs,vastly improve Detroit,and bring in new business that will create jobs.
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Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.03 19:23:00 - [4] The USA had a great public works program decades ago. But alas utillities are now decaying around the country. I read an article about people in Detroit being allowed to gut piping and other stuff from derelict homes to help rebuild their own. This could be expanded offically to flatten, scavange derelict homes to help improve others. Create a general urban pride initiative around this. Only other things I can think if is to make Detroit a bohemian culutral centre for skint musicians and other cultural artists to setup and show what they can do. Berlin is a bit like this. Lots of cheap places to live and a lively cultral scene. After all the 'Motown' sound came from the old great car city. Or get the political representitives for Detroit and Michigan to swing a new militery base. ..................................................
kangwo	Posted - 2010.09.03 19:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Vogue The USA had a great public works program decades ago. But alas utillities are now decaying around the country. I read an article about people in Detroit being allowed to gut piping and other stuff from derelict homes to help rebuild their own. This could be expanded officially to flatten, scavenge derelict homes to help improve others. Create a general urban pride initiative around this. Only other things I can think if is to make Detroit a bohemian culutral centre for skint musicians and other cultural artists to setup and show what they can do. Berlin is a bit like this. Lots of cheap places to live and a lively cultral scene. After all the 'Motown' sound came from the old great car city. Or get the political representatives for Detroit and Michigan to swing a new military base. We also need to get rid of unions,as we have so many job safety laws now that unions are now obsolete...yet. It costs a business the same amount of money it takes to hire one person,verus what you could of spent the same amount of money and hire 2-4 people. Last time I checked,Michigan is not in a recession but a great depression. Michigan will never get it's auto jobs back,so it's time to trying and bring in different kinds of manufacturing. What I fear most,is that in order to revive Detroit you got to go into a war that's on the lines of ww3, ww2 brought America out of the great depression,and into the super manufacturing power after ww2..... or simply send the unions to china....
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.03 20:19:00 - [6] Balance trade with other countries by raising import tariffs. Nothing else can help Detroit.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2010.09.03 20:29:00 - [7] Detroit serve as a lesson to all cities and towns out there, you cannot put all the eggs in one basket and be that town. Things change and you have to have an exit plan and possible other directions to move in. Everyone has known american car industry was going down the toilet since what, the 70s, 80s? It's hardly news yet they were not prepared and had nothing else to offer. The one good thing for Detroit is that it's so far gone you cannot possibly fail more. This is the perfect grounds for making something radical and new. Green city with lots of parks, pretty and forward thinking architecture will draw people to it. Same same with stimulus packages and other bandaids to the dying will do nothing. That being said the socio-economics of the US leave you with a lot of uneducated hopeless cases trapped in minimum wage jobs that doesn't give a crap about anything out of their arms reach and who can blame them? Turning around a failed city without resorting to some form of socialism I don't see how you'd pull off but you'll have none of that I'm sure. It's all the 'win' mentality, even when you're 'winning' in the other direction. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.03 20:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Vogue on 03/09/2010 20:36:37 Trade tarrifs exist on some goods and items. But with the World Trade Organisation its harder. And it is ultimatley self defeating. Though the French are crafty with this by labelling almost any industry a national strategic concern. Which prevents forign takeover of company's who could in turn close down lots of planets in favour of production in their own native country. The French government blocked a takeover of Danone who make foods by Pepisco in 2005. This year in the UK Cadbury's, who make choccies was taken over by Kraft, a US firm. Cadbury's was a very well run business. And Kraft even said they ran their business better! But so investment bankers can make hundreds of millions in fee's Cadbury's was allowed to be taken over. And in time you will see Cadbury's a shadow of its former self. Western countries future is with intellectual property in high tech manufacturing, software, etc. China despite its massive manufacturing base still is incapable of innovation. And to have innovation you need a liberal culture that has freedom of expression. For Michigin and Detroit this is a quandry as it can't attract high tech industries as well educated people won't move to the area. Which is why I said government entities such as the milatery should establish a new base there. ..................................................
Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.09.03 20:59:00 - [9] My knowledge of Detroit stems from 3 sources, the internet, Michael Moore and this. So... the cities economy was dependent on the Car Industry and affiliated services, did not diversify into finance due to heavy profits or keep a check on its unions to make sure it wasn't going to be eaten by Germany or Japan. I would propose crushing the unions and slashing taxes, as I understand it if I were to start a car company in Britain and make a North America assembly plant, Detroit would be near the bottom of the list due to the UAW and the fact that the South is just... better with high tech now. There seems to be a sort of lack of understanding in Michigan that the South is capable of adapting and progressing swiftly, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Airbus and the like need capable people on a reasonable wage. If the big 3... erm 2 now that Chrysler is a subsidiary of the Italian company FIAT can catch up to European/Japanese... and I would include Indian in the near future, then it should keep wages low ala Germany and save money to capitalise local banks. The city is back on the bottom rung and needs to serious the **** up and work its way back up again. Its not as if Michigan can secede and devalue its currency to become competitive like most states do in this situation, its like Greece in this respect. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.03 21:36:00 - [10] Military base, block off the whole town and train urban warfare in it. There is no such thing as too big to fail. Delenda est achura.

Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.03 21:59:00 - [11] I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to improve the town and further more why do i even need a sig?
Fraszoid Caldari SpaceBots079	Posted - 2010.09.03 22:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Culmen I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to improve the town Being on the other side of the river, no, not a fan of that idea, I don't want my nice neighbourhood blanketed in fallout and have to deal with the noise and light. You'd probably nuke it late at night when everyone is sleeping. Build the second bridge to carry the trucks for cross border trade. Windsor and Detroit thrive on the cross border trade, improving that helps everyone. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
Barakkus Kaalakiota Innovations	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:07:00 - [13] They should just open up a bunch of medical ******* dispensaries, I bet the population and economy spikes afterwards :P Originally by:** CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.03 23:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Arianhod I would propose crushing the unions and slashing taxes, as I understand it if I were to start a car company in Britain and make a North America assembly plant, Detroit would be near the bottom of the list due to the UAW and the fact that the South is just... better with high tech now. There seems to be a sort of lack of understanding in Michigan that the South is capable of adapting and progressing swiftly, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Airbus and the like need capable people on a reasonable wage. I want to point out that unions did not just appear out of nowhere. There is a history of management and owners abusing their labor, killing, raping, intimidating workers who only wanted to be treated fairly. To call to crush unions is bad policy which will lead to the same old abuses that lead to creation of unions in the first place. The important difference between unions of the past and unions of today in US is that many things that unions wanted back in 1880s and 1900s, their early years, have now become laws in US. That is why to us, today, unions in US seem irrelevant. I do not know about you, but I really would not want to be a coal miner back in 1880s, their work conditions were horrible, their lives were miserable, and when they tried to negotiate, they were beaten, shot and worse. Or take the establishment of Virginia colony in 1607, the mortality rate for the colonists, majority of whom were indentured servants (laborers) was horrendous and there was nobody to stand up for them. The history is full of examples just like these. Another item related to unions is that what ever contracts are made with the unions, these contracts are negotiated between union and management. When unions negotiate a particularly favorable for them contract, it means that the management did not do a good job. So you see? It is not cut and dry, crush the unions and will be well. On the other hand, many union members also recognize some of the today's problems and the latest reports show that union membership in US is decreasing. Why? Because, at least in this country, many things that unions stand for, are already laws and we all have these things.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.04 00:11:00 - [15] reenact the fleeing felon doctrine, the rest will sort itself out. (The fleeing felon doctrine said that if the fleeing suspect was a felon the police could open fire) Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.04 00:18:00 - [16] One thing New Orleans is doing, but they do have a lot more going for them then Detroit does, is that the city of New Orleans is kicking back between 30-35% of the producers local expenditures. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
LuZhi Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:07:00 - [17] Most of us can agree that Detroit has "former glory". It used to have twice the population, plenty of jobs and a rising standard of living. Perhaps it's best to start by asking yourself where those good times came from. Or better yet, ask yourself where they didn't come from. I think it's safe to say that this better past wasn't created by government management, welfare, unions or some ridiculous laws proposing we save historical homes and not allow big box mart retailers to do business in the city. In fact, I think it's quite safe to say that Detroit's former high status wasn't the result of any planned program crafted by some political Einstein that thinks all mankind needs is another plan imposed from the top by the force of law on millions of individuals. Detroit's past, pre 1960s, was in fact created by individuals and businesses, lightly taxed and free of asinine regulations which allowed them to create and adapt to an ever changing world. Unions didn't create it--they didn't play a big role in Motor City until the early 1940s. Welfare didn't create it--there wasn't much of a welfare state back then. Government management didn't create it--the bureaucrats were much more hands off then too. When speaking of the rot that is Detroit today we inherently admit that it once had to be a much better place. After all, if it's not that great then it wouldn't have so far to fall. But the rot is incredible, just as the city itself was one of the premier cities of prosperity. Knowing this, and understanding a little economics, and I don't mean the kind you get from a public education, it should become apparent what is killing the city. Since the early 1960's under another "great plan" during Johnson's Great Society the government has made Detroit a completely State dependent city. Detroit does not operate in a free market of exchange, you know, like the one that existed when it rose to prominence. It is a complete ward of the State. The federal government as well as it's own city government. If you want to save Detroit, don't demolish houses, demolish it's government and start over. Eliminate 90 percent or more of the regulations and taxes that have caused capital to flee the city. Don't believe me? As I've said, the city has lost half it's population. That only happens when too many barriers are in place by government for people to make a good life for themselves. Detroit has a government that has it's hands very deep in it's economy. Anytime that happens you will get rot equivalent to the level of government intervention. Just as most of us, religious or not, understand how much the idea of separation of church and state has benefited society, so too we should realize that separation of economy and state is just as beneficial. This once used to be a key understanding of economics but that was before governments of the world took over education and began funding schools and calling the shots. The city planners, the Federal government's subsidy defenders, and the welfare state aficionados are all discreetly silent about Detroit. When a city simply shuts down from the effects of government mismanagement, the media say nothing. Detroit has become the poster child of government regulation and welfare systems, and now many of the population has given up hope. There you have it. But then again, I'm sure most of us will continue believing we just need a good planner in office. Keep spending, keep regulating, keep taxing, and keep as many people on the government dole as you can. If we can just keep the majority voting for it I'm sure it will all work itself out in the end despite fifty years of the contrary. After all, Motor CityÆs' former glory was created by bureaucrats and welfare systems right? Individual initiative and free markets be damned.
Jake Silence	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:20:00 - [18] Step 1: Contact Omni Consumer Products , encourage them to buy police department. Step 2: Turn police into cyborgs. Step 3: ???????? Step 4: Profit!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:50:00 - [19] Why detroit never diversified is beyond me. My home town of Danbury, CT used to be completely invested into the hatting industry, thankfully they made things welcome to new businesses when people stopped wearing hats. today it is one of the most important cities to the entire state as far as sales tax generation.(the City government pretty much openly welcomes the big box stores and high tech companies).
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.04 06:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Why detroit never diversified is beyond me. My home town of Danbury, CT used to be completely invested into the hatting industry, thankfully they made things welcome to new businesses when people stopped wearing hats. today it is one of the most important cities to the entire state as far as sales tax generation.(the City government pretty much openly welcomes the big box stores and high tech companies). I have a sibling in Danbury. Nice place.

Arianhod Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2010.09.04 11:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Caleidascope Originally by: Arianhod I would propose crushing the unions and slashing taxes, as I understand it if I were to start a car company in Britain and make a North America assembly plant, Detroit would be near the bottom of the list due to the UAW and the fact that the South is just... better with high tech now. There seems to be a sort of lack of understanding in Michigan that the South is capable of adapting and progressing swiftly, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Airbus and the like need capable people on a reasonable wage. I want to point out that unions did not just appear out of nowhere. There is a history of management and owners abusing their labor, killing, raping, intimidating workers who only wanted to be treated fairly. To call to crush unions is bad policy which will lead to the same old abuses that lead to creation of unions in the first place. Oh I know that Unions in their inception had a purpose and was needed as a push against the corporation, but in the modern age we have the corporation fighting for its life against an uncompromising union. For comparison I direct you to the German corporate structure in which the workers have a direct influence in voting through the union to place Directors on the board. Through this structure we have a more stable corporation, a Union which in many cases can be mistaken for a division of the corporation due to the lose symbiosis. The UAW is bloated and its demands too high relative to how the world works now. Noone wants to be told that you have to have a wage cut because the chaps abroad or down the street are willing to do it for 1/2 or 1/10th of the price, but this is the new reality that has to be accepted. Compete or die, strategies or be an obstacle to be crushed by the others. German strategy has been to reinvest a large proportion of their profits back into R&D so as to crush the competition. The Union Directors have a copy of the finances in front of them and an understanding of globalisation so as to understand it and exploit it. Why else did Volkswagen become for a while the most valuable corporation on the planet in the midst of the financial crisis, while Ford had to sell the family silver before the crisis and burn through it during to barely survive, Chrysler get a technology injected takeover from the Italians and GM go bankrupt? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010.
Sazkyen State War Academy	Posted - 2010.09.04 11:41:00 - [22] OCP -SIG- Ship comparison
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.04 11:54:00 - [23] another option would be to turn it into one big massive prison destroy everything you touch
Kurfin	Posted - 2010.09.04 13:55:00 - [24] The key is education. A poorly educated workforce isn't much use when poorly educated people in China, India, Bangladesh etc. can manufacture the same goods for a fraction of the cost. It will take a while to get results though. Short term tax breaks for companies could attract investment, and the low housing costs (I'm assuming they are low if there is a lot of empty houses) means competitive wages relative to many other states. Though it may be tough to fund tax breaks if the public finances are in bad shape, and without spending on infrastructure too it will be difficult to attract investment. Of course if the US car industry got it's sh*t together and built decent cars, they might sell enough to justify building more and expanding their workforce again.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.04 16:15:00 - [25] Edited by: Vogue on 04/09/2010 16:21:57 It's good that American car company's have turned a corner. Shock therapy worked. But for the UK the car manufacturing base is now just sports cars. We do make a lot of cars but they are Ford, Vauxhall (GM), Toyota, Nissan and Honda. And the reason we got all those Japanese car factories is largely being a pet alliance to the USA to use a EVE'ism. ~ I have been to the USA several times and really like the country and its enthusastic people. The mix of so many ethnic groups is great. I just don't like another big country having so much sway in my own with a lot of meddling divisive ways. And I would say more or less the same of China. Forever the idealist me ~ The UK has a decent economy in terms of GDP. But as someone raised in the West Midlands it annoys me that we have so much technical brilliance we don't a attitude that fosters high tech industries. We have ARM which sells manufacturing licenses to low wattage CPU's that power most of the smart phones in the world. But they don't actually make the CPU's. Though we also are good at pharmaceutical companies with Glaxo and others. I hope if the space industry develops beyond using launcher platforms that 85% of the weight is fuel the UK can develop a bigger space industry. We are very good at sattelites. ..................................................
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.09.04 16:47:00 - [26] Quote: What do you think should be done to detroit to improve it? flush it. Big cities always fall apart because we were not meant to live that way. Same with Brooklyn, where I grew up. Just another toilet.
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2010.09.04 19:45:00 - [27] Originally by: jason hill another option would be to turn it into one big massive prison Its that already that to its inhabitants surely?
Viral Effect Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp	Posted - 2010.09.04 21:21:00 - [28] Maybe this.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Terranid Meester Originally by: jason hill another option would be to turn it into one big massive prison Its that already that to its inhabitants surely? well believe it or not it`s actually an idea that has been floating around for the last couple of years .detroit being turned into one big massive prison for all the american convicts .to be fair (and i`m not american) I can actually make some sort of sense of it .the cost to the tax dollar paying american to have all these convicts constantly being shipped around the country to various prisons, why bother when you can just make 1 giant prison .it would save the taxpayers loads destroy everything you touch
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.09.04 23:55:00 - [30] Originally by: jason hill Originally by: Terranid Meester Originally by: jason hill another option would be to turn it into one big massive prison Its that already that to its inhabitants surely? well believe it or not it`s actually an idea that has been floating around for the last couple of years .detroit being turned into one big massive prison for all the american convicts .to be fair (and i`m not american) I can actually make some sort of sense of it .the cost to the tax dollar paying american to have all these convicts constantly being shipped around the country to various prisons, why bother when you can just make 1 giant prison .it would save the taxpayers loads ...And turn out to be a Lord of the Flies type death sentence to anyone sent to prison for whatever. Delenda est achura.



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