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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:56:00 -
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Electra001 wrote:I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. which problem?? Cloak is just a tool for a purpose. What you are basically argueing about is that random people can hang around and afking in any place of eve universum without asking you for a permission, which is FINE! There is no space for your exclusive use, its for everyone!
Yes, most likely they will be there for killmails, they are there where you are, where is something to kill. If you bring a fuckton of ratting ships into a system, there will be people sitting and waiting you to come out with them ratting. Why not? Its all right with that. If you are afk docked they cant do anything to you, if they are afking cloaked you cant do anything to them - so what? You have no claim for any chunk of the space for your exclusive use, there will be always neutral people which is good! The fact just 1 cloaker will be able to "lock down" a horde of ratters in such manner is not afk cloakers fault, its yours putting many people into a single system - many ratters in a single system is a big attraction for other people afking there and waiting them to come out of hide. ITS ALL RIGHT WITH THIS!
Eve 0.0 is already too secure, local gives you already too much safety, eve is already too blob oriented. Nerfing cloaks would only worsen the situation. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:32:00 -
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Raglany wrote:How about:
You give territorial claimed systems, a module. Like the strategic upgrades.
No cloacking possible in this system, because of an energy burst, or whatsoever. This means, system wide no cloaking. Also not for the allies.
Or: this modules allows once in 4 hours, to pulse a burtst of energy to decloack all ships in the system, and renders them in-operable for the coming 15minutes orso.
Using this module, would thus need to be more strategically used, and offers benefits and drawbacks.
why? which proplem are you trying to solve by gimping cloak? |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:54:00 -
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no. eliminating cloak would mean 100% control of whatever territories you occupy in 0.0 and would encourage even more blobs than we have today. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.22 07:36:00 -
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Athreya wrote:Guys, dont mix tactical cloaking and when cloaker intentionally sit in local for weeks. Besides if you want to protect such gameplay, there is a solution which will ruin nothing, but also fix the problem. 1) there is nothing wrong with a cloaker intentionally sitting in local. you can (and probably do) sit there as well. 2) cloak nerf would make wide areas of 0.0 too safe 3) which problem?? There is nothing which needs a fix. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.22 08:27:00 -
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Athreya wrote:If you sleep, your char should not play instead of you. What do you want to achieve while you sleep, afk? This is bot's pattern, making anything in the game while you sleep. Stop crying about your cloaked afk bot, play the game manually.  I dont want to shock you but let me tell you about all the skillpoints ticking while I sleep or manufactoring jobs being completed while I sleep or market orders getting fulfilled while I sleep. There is no reason why I shouldnt be able to cloak while I sleep. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:03:00 -
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LiBraga wrote:Personally I always thought if they implemented something to disrupt cloaking it should be a pos module that requirers a system strategic upgrade, much like the cyno jammer has. There would also be a monthly cost for having the upgrade installed.
The cloaking disruptor would emit a system wide pulse every 10 minutes that would cause ALL cloaked ships to decloak.
Pros - For the system owners Upgrade systems wouldn't have afk cloakers
Cons - For the system owners Monthly upkeep cost Own cloakers are also affected
Pros - For the Cloaker Costing them isk and now you don't have to visit them to do it
Cons - For the Cloaker Have to recloak every 10 minutes
no this would break afk cloaking in important jew systems, but afk cloaking is fine and required as we learned in the past. you again try to bring a "fix" for something that is not broken. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.24 08:00:00 -
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Zemfadel wrote:while stopping people from having there toon cloaked in a system while they are at work so that they can return to a system with other players who have gone about their business and are easy targets for a quick ambush. this is exactly why afk cloaking is done. Nothing wrong with that. You use cloak for your safety, the enemy has to use afk cloaking to reduce the usefulness of exact that undisruptable intel. Tell me another way to counter local as intel for catching those people.
Zemfadel wrote:2. Unless things have change in the last year CCP has said they aren't removing local in null sec, get over it. Local was removed in W-space so that people have that game play if they want it. yeah. Exactly as with cloaking. If you cant handle hostile neutrals hanging aronud, go to high sec where afk cloakers have no purpose.
Zemfadel wrote:3. Going about your business with an afk cloaker is exactly what they want you to do. Its a win win situation for the afk cloaker really, either you stop doing anything in that system no. You can do pretty everything, apart of mindlessly ratting or mining solo probably.
Zemfadel wrote:(they win by stopping you from being able to play without even being at the computer) or you go about your business (they win by being able to return to the computer with soft targets). no. Its you who are stopping you from playing because 1) you are only ratting 2) you have chosen wrong place to play
Zemfadel wrote:There is literally no down side or challenge to over come with afk cloaking, you always win and can never be killed (baring utter stupidity) or even threatened. while sitting afk cloaked yeah you basically cant be killed. On the other hand you gain no profit by just sitting afk, profit only generated when you decloak and expose yourself to risk. You block an entire account from doing something useful else. What downside has sitting in POS or docked btw?
[qquote=Zemfadel]4. AFK cloaking is very similar to macro mining, even if it upsets you to admit it. In both instances a player is gaining an advantage with out actively playing the game[/quote] most stupid argument ever. I'm training skills afk or even offline. My industry jobs and market orders complete while I'm completely afk or offline.
[qquote=Zemfadel]. macro mining gets you ore, afk cloaking gets you easy targets. At least macro mining has an in game counter (shooting the macro miner), afk cloaking, and the advantage it affords (depriving other players of any reaction time when the afk cloaker finally decides to return among other things), has no counter in game or out. So afk cloaking is worse than macro mining. Even if CCP weren't trying to stop macro mining, there would be a way for other players to stop it, or at least make it harder. Not so much with afk cloaking. [/quote] afk cloaking does not need any counter because it doesnt do any harm to anyone while afk, nor does it give you any profit while afk. Just sitting somewhere shouldnt have any penalties and must be possible at any time. Because, why the heck should it not????
CCP WHAT THE **** IS THIS STUPID RESTRICTION OF 5 QUOTES??????????????? FIX IT |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.24 08:06:00 -
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Zemfadel wrote:afk cloaking gains you an advantage by forcing other players to either treat you as an active player and stop local activity (even when your inactive) or treat you like your afk and go about their business. in the first situation the cloaker is stopping you from playing (earning is, mining ore, moving good, etc.) even if they aren't playing then (afk). In the second case the cloaker can attack you without your ability to react to their presence (accept for when they appear on your overview). They are gaining an advantage by either forcing you to stop playing or forcing you to assume they are afk and continue playing while they are not playing. This means that when they return they will either have a soft target (assuming the cloaker is still afk) or have shut down a system. this is how it works yes. And there is nothing wrong with it. You use intel for your safety, others go just there sit afk forever just to make local of less use for you. This is just fine and required by current local mechanics. You dock up when a neutral enters system, fine, then I will just go and sit there simply to be able to kill you at some point (days after). This is right. Thanks to local mechanics telling you instantly I'm there. You shouldnt have this kind of faultless instant intel at all.
Zemfadel wrote:Again, i would be perfectly ok with this tactic if the cloaker were forced to be at the computer while doing this. No, if this wouldnt work afk it wouldnt work at all, because it takes a lot of time to reach its effectiveness peak. Its not cloakers fault you cant play, its your fault living in a space you arent adapted to and cant do anything with neutral in local - exactly such people are primary targets of afk cloakers, stupid people unable to handle simple situations - its not fault of cloak mechanics its just people failing at this game and so becoming targets for other people. |

Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2012.08.25 11:14:00 -
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Zemfadel wrote: Exactly. Your gaining an advantage while being afk. You want to get easy kills (or the chance at them)
people hide as soon as you go there. So there is nothing wrong with afking there till some of them get bored of hiding. Its all legit. I have no other choice than that, assumed I targeted a certain group of people because I dont like them for some reason, the only chance of killing them is force them to come out by boring them to death over some period of time by just being there. ALL LEGIT! btw. Why shouldnt it be possible to afk whereever you like? Makes no sense. |
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