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Hennata
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Posted - 2010.09.07 03:20:00 -
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*logs forum alt*
Some alliance members have recently starting fc-ing roams in null. After joining one I wonder what is the point.
It appears to an activity where you: 1. Run from anything that shoots back, while chase anything that can't 2. Accomplish nothing other than the occasional KM of unlucky carebear or another gang of the same type, however not probably efficient at disruption as afk cloaking with probes out. Fleet in being beats fleet that fights and die...especially all the cheap fit BC that is worth a single click on a marauder in a sanctum, you do more isk damage scaring a few bears into docking then trading it in with the defense fleet. 3. Teaches nothing particularly useful outside that blobbing folks gets kills.
Now, covert cyno gangs that combine afk cloaking with the occasional bear gank sounds pretty good, but the standard hac/bc gang that is long spotted in intel channels before they get into position?
I just can't quite imagine roaming, solo pvp, whatever does anything of strategic value. Has any alliance failcascaded because some vagas run around their space? It sounds more like an activity to melt minerals with like minded opponents.
So am I missing something?
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.07 03:26:00 -
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The point should be you enjoy it, if not look for something else to do? -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
sue denim
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Posted - 2010.09.07 03:39:00 -
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recently? wow out of touch
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2010.09.07 03:45:00 -
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There just isn't objectives for those small gangs people find fun part of the game. Sov is all about boring big ship blobs sadly.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.09.07 04:21:00 -
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yes, you are missing something, but thats ok, don't worry.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.07 04:22:00 -
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1) Your gang is not very good at pvp, some more info on what type of ships you guys are flying would be useful. 2)See 1. 3) See 1 again, pay attention to the first part. I used to run around in a manticore with another guy in a dictor. We'd sometimes have a second SB pilot with us but that was it. We went roaming around 0.0, engaging whatever we could, we got quite a few kills like this, and every fight was one that involved skill and decent fits in order to not die. |
Relettov
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Posted - 2010.09.07 08:30:00 -
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OP: Don't forget the myriad of nullsec dwellers not looking at intel. I've seen a fair bit of players getting caught with their pants down, including myself.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:06:00 -
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What is the point?
The point is the alliance you are in is terrible?
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 07/09/2010 09:09:49 You think roaming is bad, try Solo Roaming!
You know w/o 20 guys to back you up, half your time will be tactical retreats!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:29:00 -
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I love solo roaming in my cloaky vagabond. It is kinda pointless because all that happens is local drops and doesnt rise until 2-3 days after you leave.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666 I love solo roaming in my cloaky vagabond. It is kinda pointless because all that happens is local drops and doesnt rise until 2-3 days after you leave.
So it is you! YOU ARE THE FEARED AFK CLOAKER! Have mercy on us!
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OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 07/09/2010 09:09:49 You think roaming is bad, try Solo Roaming!
You know w/o 20 guys to back you up, half your time will be tactical retreats!
So true. Even then I enjoy it more than flying with others
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Dario Wall
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 07/09/2010 09:09:49 You think roaming is bad, try Solo Roaming!
You know w/o 20 guys to back you up, half your time will be tactical retreats!
Back when I lived in lowsec as a big flashy -10 outlaw, I actually spent most of my time on solo roams in cruisers or frigates. Sure it restricted my target selection, but oh man were the fights so much more thrilling than what you get when you have a gang doing all the work.
Solo roaming is definitely something that takes practice and patience to pull off well.
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.07 11:50:00 -
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There are always people who don't have intel channel open or who are ratting drunk or who don't bother to report hostiles. Some people don't roam in huge gangs but alone or with just 2-3 friends. Roaming does not kill POSes so it is not going to displace alliance. However, an alliance that is continuously losing ships in stupid manner to competent roaming party will start bleeding off any aspiring pvpers and smarter players. They will start looking for greener pastures being unable to bear being on the losing side. Sometimes they will join the entity that was raiding their old alliance. Losing alliance will also start having trouble recruiting players because any older player or experienced pvper will check the killboard and see the stats and judge against joining. So it depresses morale, slows growth, and bleeds competent pvpers from the losing side.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.09.07 11:54:00 -
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Joining a corp or an alliance where they dont run from everything that shoots back and hunt carebears might be an idea.
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ThrashPower
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:34:00 -
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You can't go roaming with a gang with "killing ratters" as your objective, your objective should be to get a fun fight. tackling a rating carrier or killing a few ratters is a way to force the enemy to form up a defense gang, then you fight the defense gang and you got your fight, most of the times its fun, sometimes not. Ganking ratters is great solo fun and can be very profitable though.
As for strategic value if an alliance is unable to deal with roaming gangs it wont take much to make them failcascade, but who cares about that anyway. Anything strategic in this game requires that you shoot a stationary structure at some point and that is just too boring, which in turn makes me wonder what you are comparing roaming to, any sort of sov pvp is just blueballs or shooting structures.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:28:00 -
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If you don't find the game fun any more, take a break for a couple of months or quit.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:35:00 -
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Playing Eve at all is 'kinda pointless'. In fact living is also 'kinda pointless'.
But some people seem to enjoy it, just as some people enjoy roaming.
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.09.07 13:52:00 -
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I do hear what you're saying, sometimes I go on a 40 jump roam, kill one dumbass on a gate somewhere, and think "I could have killed more on a sling bubble one jump from my home system".
You are particularly wrong about the notion that roaming teaches nothing though. Scouting, relaying intel, gaining experience about coordinating fleet movements, understanding how to catch and pick off stragglers in enemy gangs, drawing off and killing tackle, etc.
Try different gang compositions. Don't just form up a big blob of whatever ships are on hand, try to put something together with a purpose. A few drakes with a scimmy, or a group of RR neut domis, or a few recons with bombers for DPS and a cloaky dictor (my favorite).
Specialized gangs can hit way above their weight class, and are so much more fun that a lock-shoot-kill blob. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in lowsec/0.0/wormhole space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub". |
Captain Yifan
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bhattran The point should be you enjoy it, if not look for something else to do?
I second this. In 0.0, a roaming gang killing couple of red ratters is no different than me breaking into someone's house and steals 20 penny from him (unless someone is really stupid enough to fly around in a multi-billion giant space pinata). It is really just for a break from ratting(read: internetz spaceship money agriculture), blob lagfest and semi-afk shooting a thing that cannot move for 2 hours while playing 0.01 isk wars on my jita alt.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:26:00 -
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was there ever a point to roaming?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:41:00 -
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your alliance must be on of those bbf up north. they can never fight unless the numbers favor them 3 to 1. --
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.07 14:47:00 -
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Roaming is what you make of it...plain and simple.
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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Comrade Commizzar
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:10:00 -
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Yes Roaming is sort of pointless, but then most of what you do in zero as an individual pilot is pointless. Not because it has to be, but because you as a pilot have chosen a "pointless" path. For example, consider what most of you do in zero. How much of it actually serves YOUR interest as opposed to serving the interests of your Corporate or Alliance Leaders? Do you pay a monthly alliance/corp membership fee to be in zero? Are you harassed daily to get your ship "in fleet" to defend alliance/corp assets under the guise of "roaming for fun"? Are you threatened with "expulsion" from the group if you don't?
An honest assessment of the position of most of the "pvp" pilots in zero will quickly reveal that they are at best "serfs" in a feudal system dominated by a few veterans whose positions allow them to skim off the cream of the resources of zero for their own agenda and game, building massive capital fleets for their own purposes while they play Eve for free at the expense of their "serfs".
If you want "meaning" in your game, choose a path other than slavery.
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:11:00 -
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yes
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