why will the changes to mining ships mean more isotopes? the maximum yield is unchanged.

Less ganking more AFK mining on a whole?

yeah but do you really think those people who afk mine are aware that their mack is going to be mining a lot less ice, especially with a rig they're probably not aware of?

you over estimate people.

Well something has made the price of isotopes loose 15-20% since the patch was announced.
I think it will be interesting to say the least to see which way this pans out.

I brought up my materials to make my fuel blocks for the next year so I hope my gamble will have paid off.

Well something has made the price of isotopes loose 15-20% since the patch was announced.
I think it will be interesting to say the least to see which way this pans out.

I brought up my materials to make my fuel blocks for the next year so I hope my gamble will have paid off.

Bots come back in droves after this change. Everyone on the planet gets to AFK in ICE BELTS where they only have to dock like 2 x an hour. Seriously how could you not see this coming.

All Isotopes - 300 to 350 p/u
Liquid Ozone 200 to 225 p/u
Heavy Water 12 to 15 pu

By end of year...

oh and yes, if you've tired of the market, nows the perfect time to pull out and go PvP or do something you've always wanted to do.

Bots come back in droves after this change. Everyone on the planet gets to AFK in ICE BELTS where they only have to dock like 2 x an hour. Seriously how could you not see this coming.

eventually you want to take into account that there will be massive technetium raction farms that qill require also a lot of fuel, wich would affect the fuel block in the oposite way.

Now, please. Tell me how does this lower isotope prices?

Unless all the high sec mining is done on skiffs, macks are easily gankable. A full yield mack used to mine 76 blocks an hour, now it mines 70... thatGÇÖs a reduction in extraction. The ehp of the old yield mack was 10k, now its 16k. Old macks on wholesale went for 150millon each, now 290m due to mat changes. And hulks? Who the hell would undock one of those now?

Unless all the high sec mining is done on skiffs, macks are easily gankable. A full yield mack used to mine 76 blocks an hour, now it mines 70... thatGÇÖs a reduction in extraction. The ehp of the old yield mack was 10k, now its 16k. Old macks on wholesale went for 150millon each, now 290m due to mat changes. And hulks? Who the hell would undock one of those now?

the point is, if the extraction of isotopes comes from full yield ships, then ganking is now more profitable than ever due to killing hulks when actually killing one, and also when killing a mack!.... lots of blue salvage? Oh yeah.

Cost of the gank? 2 dessies. Potential targets? Yield macks, half yield/half tank macks (DCUII + 2 invuls) and just about any hulk, really. Got 3 dessies? Well **** it, only skiffs are out of reach.

The real point is this; a full yield mack was affordable to lose. Now it isnGÇÖt. It must be tanked because itGÇÖs expensive as ****. A yield mack died to a dessie before and still does today, the difference is the cost of the barge, itGÇÖs 100% more expensive. If it is half tanked ehp climbs to 26k and the yield suffers even more, and goes down to 64 cubes/h and guess what, it dies 100% of the time to a double dessie gank... Am i really the only one who sees this?

The ehp buff? Now that was the real "fizzle". From the insane 48kehp yield macks we are down to 16kehp (with perfect skills, and t2 shield gang) can a single cat kill one? Not always... can two? 100% sure.

How long until miners begin to ***** about a 30 million gank killing their 300m ship? heh, didnGÇÖt take long for the bitching to start when the gank was 15m and their ship was 150m.

Also, ice prices were "stable" at around 1k p/u, they peaked at 1.3kp/u and since then they went down simply because 40m isk/h on highsec was too good to be true, the initial speculation before the patch actually raised prices, mostly due to what we now know as a fact, ice yield is down.

And yes some more miners will undock and mine 2 to 6 hours a week. woop de doo... the high sec isotope supply doesnGÇÖt come from the miners that mine and sell in the system station once or twice a week, it comes from the no lifers like myself that mine 1 - 2 million units a day. (i am, ofc, not even mentioning those damn bots)

My yield didnGÇÖt go up, it went down. All the while my risk cost went through the roof.

Now, please. Tell me how does this lower isotope prices?

Quite frankly 2 things have me puzzled, first how come Vaerah Vahrokha seems to agree that ganking is over because barges are now immortalGǪ I thought you were the smart one around here, unless you are buying lots of what others are trowing away. And the second thing is why corestwo isnGÇÖt being more smug about how horribly will this barge rebalance backfire, I mean if thereGÇÖs someone looking at the stupid production cost/gankability of the GÇ£newGÇ¥ barges, it has to be the gooons.

So I was thinking, the changes to mining ships will mean more isotopes on the market which should lower the cost of fuel blocks.

Flip over to the changes to technetium and alchemy. More Alchemy should mean more towers, which leads to more fuels blocks being consumed which will make the price of fuel blocks go up as demand increases.

Will the two balance each other out so overall no change in price?

Only problem is I can see mining changes leading to more isotopes on the market but there will be no extra PI products like coolant, mechanical parts ect. . . Is this why there are alot of big buy orders on for these at the moment? people stockpiling for after the patch?

If these PI items go up in price would this not then raise the price of fuel blocks?

Will we see the price of PI items go back to there heady heights of 6 months ago?

why will the changes to mining ships mean more isotopes? the maximum yield is unchanged.

Isotopes prices will tank HARD. Out of curiosity I went to a system near Jita with 3 ice belts in it; literally hundreds of Mackinaws and Retrievers chewing away.

Question is: how low will the prices be before people don't bother to log in their mining alts and dock every 30 minutes to unload ore? 300? 250?