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Indigosi	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:12:00 - [1] Hi, im planning to start Freighter and JF production, i could need some help to get things rolling. I already have a highsec pos for part production, freighter(s) for hauling, so its all about me affording the parts + bpc' for two JF's and i can start producing. Requesting 5b isk. Pay back within 5 months + 5% per month. Whoever lend me this isk, will recieve 5% of my monthly income ( would be alot after some time).
Magnu Stormhawk Stormhawk Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Indigosi Hi, im planning to start Freighter and JF production, i could need some help to get things rolling. I already have a highsec pos for part production, freighter(s) for hauling, so its all about me affording the parts + bpc' for two JF's and i can start producing. Requesting 5b isk. Pay back within 5 months + 5% per month. Whoever lend me this isk, will recieve 5% of my monthly income ( would be alot after some time). A few suggestions to help you with your offer: 1) Explain who you are and what you do, what you have experience doing. 2) Consider collateral. If you dont have any then 5% is going to be too low for an unsecured offering here 3) Clarify your returns - '+5% per month' sounds like 5% interest on 5 bil. '5% of monthly income' sounds like a profit share. Except you state income rather than profit - which is it and how much do you expect it to be if its not fixed. 4) Demonstrate you have run the numbers and it will work. Take a look at some of the more susbtantial offerings around here. Take note of the detail and considerations that are made. This is what you will need to do if you really want public ISK. Good luck.
Indigosi	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:31:00 - [3] oh thx :D will do that.
Sepi Gamma Draconis Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:31:00 - [4] ok so your planning on buying the BPC's from inventors The cost of the BPCs range from 250 > 400mill per single copy on a -1 ME you have a profit of 600mill if you build your own parts, however this doesn't include the purchase price of the BPC's so even with -1me your profit is diminished by 200mill per run (400mill profit) I'm also assuming you will be buying the component BPO's and researching them? Or if your planning on buying the parts pre-built then your profit on a -1me is 200>300 mill per build, this then gives you a profit of 100>200mill? Finally You say the 5bill is for the production of 2 JF's Then what? Your profit at most using BPC's bought will be in region of 800mill What are you plans after, because once you sold the 2 jumpfreighters (sell them for combined 7bill) you will have to pay back 6bill (assuming simple 25% interest over the 5 months) this leaves you 1bill left? then what are your plans? because you can't then build another JF with this money Do you have collatoral for this money??
Indigosi	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:43:00 - [5] Updated* Sorry if i misinformed you.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.08 10:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Indigosi ships and modules, (...) most of the bpo's for the parts for a JF (...) a Freighter bpo for inventing (...) a large pos. Sorry to say i do not have alot of collerate, Seems to me you have ships and modules BPOs, component BPOs, a Freighter BPO, and a large POS to offer as collateral. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Sepi Gamma Draconis Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.08 12:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Indigosi You will also recieve a 5% interest for the next 12 months + 10% discount for JF's. Whilst i respect your idea to change your OP i would look at this and think your asking for bankruptcy, the markup on JF's is such that build cost (inc JF BPC (or Freighter BPC + datacores x2 {assuming you get 50% success every time}) means your profit on a JF is only about 400mill per JF (see my first post above) so from this 400mill lose 50mill to interest so 350mill profit, now if your including a 10% discount then i would just pack up my business and buy your jumpfreighters, so your profit per ship is about 50mil whilst i can sell mine below market price and still make 150>200mill profit on your sale prices So yes the 10% discount is nice but it will destroy your business. I would honestly suggest closing this post, look at the stickies how to put out a real IPO and fill in all the blocks, its pretty self explanatory. (mine was only a small release but look at my post for LLSE GDRI LLSE Postyou can see the different between mine and your offering and mine was only for 1% of your total, without a proper business plan your chance of getting a loan are between Zero and nothing ;) good luck and look forward to reading your re-release.
Indigosi	Posted - 2010.09.08 14:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Indigosi ships and modules, (...) most of the bpo's for the parts for a JF (...) a Freighter bpo for inventing (...) a large pos. Sorry to say i do not have alot of collerate, Seems to me you have ships and modules BPOs, component BPOs, a Freighter BPO, and a large POS to offer as collateral. Kinda hard to build ships if i give you all that? :P
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.08 14:39:00 - [9] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 08/09/2010 14:40:13 Originally by: Indigosi Kinda hard to build ships if i give you all that? :P no. You just make the person who lends you the ISK CEO of your industry corp - he locks down the BPOs, strips your unnecessary roles and you can manufacture jumpfreighters as you like but not steal the blueprints or the POS. Once the loan is repaid the BPOs are unlocked and you get back your corp. Of course you should do some research on the other party before accepting this sort of agreement.
Indigosi	Posted - 2010.09.08 14:44:00 - [10] sorry, but im not gonna let someone else get CEO of my corp just so he can lock down my own bpo's :P Good idea tho

Spruillo Gallente Yawn another Corp	Posted - 2010.09.08 16:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Indigosi sorry, but im not gonna let someone else get CEO of my corp just so he can lock down my own bpo's :P Good idea tho Wants lots of money Recoils from oversite, attached authority, investor security Sounds legit isk sent
Lucyna Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.08 16:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Spruillo Originally by: Indigosi sorry, but im not gonna let someone else get CEO of my corp just so he can lock down my own bpo's :P Good idea tho Wants lots of money Recoils from oversite, attached authority, investor security Sounds legit isk sent The bold parts are a haiku! Anyway, yes, what the above are saying is correct. OP really just wanted to scam. Seems BB has invited the lemmings from C&P over. You know OP, if you wanted to run the business legit, then there are plenty of people who would happily place alts in your corp and would never think of stealing anything from it, letting you run he corp the way you want to. Of course, then that means you can't get away with a scam. There goes your plan I guess. _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;)
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.08 16:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 08/09/2010 16:48:24 Originally by: Lucyna Seems BB has invited the lemmings from C&P over. That is so demeaning, derogatory and inflammatory Anyway ... how much did YOU lose on T4U? And did you jump to the chance on some shares like a ... well ... a lemming? Recruiting.
Scott McClellan Forum Posters Anonymous	Posted - 2010.09.08 17:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Scott McClellan on 08/09/2010 17:18:42 Originally by: Indigosi sorry, but im not gonna let someone else get CEO of my corp just so he can lock down my own bpo's :P Good idea tho They're not exactly yours if they're paid for with investor capital, they belong to the proverbial bank. If you can't trust people with BPOs that they effectively bought, why should they trust you with their 5B? If you have something financed and default on the payments, it gets repo'd, everyone suggesting the alt-CEO lockdown is just creating the same system here. 6/10 troll, had me convinced enough to make this post :/
Lucyna Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Lucyna on 08/09/2010 18:58:48 Originally by: Ran Khanon Edited by: Ran Khanon on 08/09/2010 16:48:24 Originally by: Lucyna Seems BB has invited the lemmings from C&P over. That is so demeaning, derogatory and inflammatory Anyway ... how much did YOU lose on T4U? And did you jump to the chance on some shares like a ... well ... a lemming? Don't have the capital to do it. I'm a small (very small actually) player. Relatively new too, just reactivated my account. This is documented. I may have invested in T4U if I had had the cash. All I'm saying is that since BB has become a legend in Eve, especially with the scammers, it stands to reason that more people will come from C&P to MD, enticed by the lure of seemingly unlimited funds. Are you about to tell me that the OP has a good business plan, a good reputation, or a good history? Are you telling me that you'd invest in him? Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at you. I just don't understand why you are angry with what I said. This investment is obviously at a great risk for a scam. The OP has almost no posting history. _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;)
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.09.09 09:40:00 - [16] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 09/09/2010 09:40:47 Originally by: Lucyna I just don't understand why you are angry with what I said. I am not mad at you, son. I am disappoint. Being a respectable member of the C&P forum and in game communities it pains me to be compared to an insignificant rodent such as Lemmus lemmus. A fox, parrot, or maybe a weasel would have all been much more appropriate choices. I feel that generalizing people who frequent another board within the EVE online forums by comparing them to despicable animal species like lemmings, rats, Cockroaches and/or leeches does nothing but reinforce borders and constraints. Also not every C&P poster is a vicious criminal out for Market Discussion billions nor is every MD tycoon a virgin Mary. Why can't we all get along Lucyna? WHY?! Recruiting.


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