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Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.29 04:52:00 - [1] Im intrigued in which of 2 can do the most damage in the end(ignoring everything from resistance to speed,just pure damage). Lets say one person has a crow,the other has a kestrel,both persons got light missiles skill at 5,both have caldari frigate at 5,and any other relevant skills equal. They face on a 1v1 geting hit all the time(I know,not gonna happen...),who would outdamage who and why? I guess this has been asked sometime but I cant find any relevant thread to this matter. Thanks offhand.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.29 04:52:00 - [2] Im intrigued in which of 2 can do the most damage in the end(ignoring everything from resistance to speed,just pure damage). Lets say one person has a crow,the other has a kestrel,both persons got light missiles skill at 5,both have caldari frigate at 5,and any other relevant skills equal. They face on a 1v1 geting hit all the time(I know,not gonna happen...),who would outdamage who and why? I guess this has been asked sometime but I cant find any relevant thread to this matter. Thanks offhand.
Hundin	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:13:00 - [3] kestrel has one more missle hardpoint so it will do more damage.
Hundin	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:13:00 - [4] kestrel has one more missle hardpoint so it will do more damage.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:26:00 - [5] Quote: kestrel has one more missle hardpoint so it will do more damage. Ah well not sure now,I recall crow having a natural bonus of like erm 25% kinetic damage misiles,plus the interceptor skill bonuses which made it ungodly,I checked it again,and I dont see that bonus anywhere.Been too long since I have flown a crow,I must have missed something?
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:26:00 - [6] Quote: kestrel has one more missle hardpoint so it will do more damage. Ah well not sure now,I recall crow having a natural bonus of like erm 25% kinetic damage misiles,plus the interceptor skill bonuses which made it ungodly,I checked it again,and I dont see that bonus anywhere.Been too long since I have flown a crow,I must have missed something?
BigJim Beef	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:42:00 - [7] at frigate lvl 5 they get effectively the same bonus, so the kestrel will do 1 launcher's worth more damage.
BigJim Beef	Posted - 2004.12.29 05:42:00 - [8] at frigate lvl 5 they get effectively the same bonus, so the kestrel will do 1 launcher's worth more damage.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 29/12/2004 10:10:20 Originally by: BigJim Beef at frigate lvl 5 they get effectively the same bonus, so the kestrel will do 1 launcher's worth more damage. The 25% bonus on the crow is per level. If skill lvl is equal, the crow would always win using lights. Make em both use rockets and you've got a new deal.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:09:00 - [10] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 29/12/2004 10:10:20 Originally by: BigJim Beef at frigate lvl 5 they get effectively the same bonus, so the kestrel will do 1 launcher's worth more damage. The 25% bonus on the crow is per level. If skill lvl is equal, the crow would always win using lights. Make em both use rockets and you've got a new deal.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 - [11] The 25% is NOT per level. Its what you get for having Caldari Frigate V. So yes, at lvl5 Caldari Frigate both will do the same damage PER LAUNCHYER. And the Kestrel has one more of those. Kestrel: Special Ability: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage and missile launcher rate of fire per skill level. Crow: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:47:00 - [12] The 25% is NOT per level. Its what you get for having Caldari Frigate V. So yes, at lvl5 Caldari Frigate both will do the same damage PER LAUNCHYER. And the Kestrel has one more of those. Kestrel: Special Ability: 5% bonus to kinetic missile damage and missile launcher rate of fire per skill level. Crow: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:53:00 - [13] The crow has another high slot though. As we're doing nonsense comparisons anyway, why not stick a neutron blaster in there. That should tip things back into the crow's court.
Sphalerite	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:53:00 - [14] The crow has another high slot though. As we're doing nonsense comparisons anyway, why not stick a neutron blaster in there. That should tip things back into the crow's court.
Ni Nakita	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:57:00 - [15] Edited by: Ni Nakita on 29/12/2004 10:58:04 Edited by: Ni Nakita on 29/12/2004 10:57:38 Originally by: Marcus Aurelius The 25% bonus on the crow is per level. If skill lvl is equal, the crow would always win using lights. Make em both use rockets and you've got a new deal. No, Crow's bonuses that affect damage are "5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level" that bonus is from caldari frigate, and since you have allready that one to 5 since you can fly crow, it'll automaticly give you a 25% bonus in Crow, but it is not per level. Kestrel has got the same bonus, and has got 1 extra launcher, so if the Kestrel will outdamage Crow. Check it ingame if you don't belive me edit damn, some1 else posted when i was still writing this message :/
Ni Nakita	Posted - 2004.12.29 10:57:00 - [16] Edited by: Ni Nakita on 29/12/2004 10:58:04 Edited by: Ni Nakita on 29/12/2004 10:57:38 Originally by: Marcus Aurelius The 25% bonus on the crow is per level. If skill lvl is equal, the crow would always win using lights. Make em both use rockets and you've got a new deal. No, Crow's bonuses that affect damage are "5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level" that bonus is from caldari frigate, and since you have allready that one to 5 since you can fly crow, it'll automaticly give you a 25% bonus in Crow, but it is not per level. Kestrel has got the same bonus, and has got 1 extra launcher, so if the Kestrel will outdamage Crow. Check it ingame if you don't belive me edit damn, some1 else posted when i was still writing this message :/
Reebo77	Posted - 2004.12.29 11:47:00 - [17] I went 1v1 vs a crow in a kestrel, we both ended up piloting pods
Reebo77	Posted - 2004.12.29 11:47:00 - [18] I went 1v1 vs a crow in a kestrel, we both ended up piloting pods
dabster	Posted - 2004.12.29 11:58:00 - [19] Crow is a lot faster and has an easier time evading missiles, while popping away with 1 gun of your choice. Unless both are webbed ofcourse, in which case Crow has more shields/armor/hull? ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
dabster	Posted - 2004.12.29 11:58:00 - [20] Crow is a lot faster and has an easier time evading missiles, while popping away with 1 gun of your choice. Unless both are webbed ofcourse, in which case Crow has more shields/armor/hull? ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Sphalerite The crow has another high slot though. As we're doing nonsense comparisons anyway, why not stick a neutron blaster in there. That should tip things back into the crow's court. Actually, both ships have 4 high slots, but the crow can only fit up to three launchers. Also, why would anyone stick a gun in that third slot, especially a blaster? Small nos or smartbomb is the way to go. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Sphalerite The crow has another high slot though. As we're doing nonsense comparisons anyway, why not stick a neutron blaster in there. That should tip things back into the crow's court. Actually, both ships have 4 high slots, but the crow can only fit up to three launchers. Also, why would anyone stick a gun in that third slot, especially a blaster? Small nos or smartbomb is the way to go. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:12:00 - [23] kestrel web and rockets lvl 5 kinetic > crow and still have full arm struct. "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:12:00 - [24] kestrel web and rockets lvl 5 kinetic > crow and still have full arm struct. "Teh lord of Nonni"
juduzz	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:40:00 - [25] Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. ----------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:40:00 - [26] Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. ----------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:49:00 - [27] Originally by: juduzz Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. Oh no they are still out there. The best thing about T2 cruisers IMHO is that take lots of lvl 5 skills to use. So not every second random noob can grab one and think they now should own at PvP. --------------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:49:00 - [28] Originally by: juduzz Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. Oh no they are still out there. The best thing about T2 cruisers IMHO is that take lots of lvl 5 skills to use. So not every second random noob can grab one and think they now should own at PvP. --------------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:56:00 - [29] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: juduzz Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. Oh no they are still out there. The best thing about T2 cruisers IMHO is that take lots of lvl 5 skills to use. So not every second random noob can grab one and think they now should own at PvP. You BASTAGE!! at least let the ppl who have focused over 70-80% of there skill points on ceptors have dreams But yer at least assault cruisers will have that effect ( wont say tch2 cruisers cus no one wants to fly the logistic cruiser ) Which reminds me maybe ill finsh the last few days of gall cruiser 5 one day instead of putting it on hold for 3 months ----------------------------------------------
juduzz	Posted - 2004.12.29 12:56:00 - [30] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: juduzz Kestrel can output more damage but crow has more speed to get closer, + WAY better defences ( armor/shields). Which is why the crow will usualy wtfpwn the kestrel like its supposed to unless its your generic "h4y i f1y 4 cr0w so i r t3h l337!!11!!" ceptor nub which number have been on the steady decline since they changed oversized AB's IMO thank hell. Oh no they are still out there. The best thing about T2 cruisers IMHO is that take lots of lvl 5 skills to use. So not every second random noob can grab one and think they now should own at PvP. You BASTAGE!! at least let the ppl who have focused over 70-80% of there skill points on ceptors have dreams But yer at least assault cruisers will have that effect ( wont say tch2 cruisers cus no one wants to fly the logistic cruiser ) Which reminds me maybe ill finsh the last few days of gall cruiser 5 one day instead of putting it on hold for 3 months ----------------------------------------------

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