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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 04:59:00 -
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The wife made the mistake of saying that she felt I wasn't spending enough Money on myself in the past few months, so this past weekend I took the train down to Akihabara so see what upgrades I could get for my desktop.
Current Specs:
Asus P6T Deluxe V2
Intel Core i7 920 O.C'ed to 4.00GHZ
2x Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GIG (Xfire)
10GB 1600mhz DDR3 RAM (+4 from previous build)
32GB Patriot SSD (Bought this weekend for 5000(Yen) ($50-$60 US)
2x 2TB HDD (Gen.)
1x 250GB HDD (Gen.)/(System files)
Now I take all my newly acquired loot home and install it with no problems. Format my old system disk and install a fresh copy of Windows 7 (64bit) on the new SSD, install all the windows updates drives etc... So it gets time for me to install EVE I start the download pop off for a smoke and return to find the annoying little error "Hard Disk Full" and check to find that my brand spanking new SSD only has about 2GB of space left on it 
"Damn Windows 7's got a Fat ass" I mutter to myself while restarting the download and pointing it towards one of my larger disk and pop outside to suck on another cancer stick. And return to find the download finished  . Double click the icon and start her up while surfing the net knowing that soon I'll be watching my Thanatos Spin in its hanger with 4 more Gigs of ram chug chug chuging away... Error 'message cannot extract due to low disk space.' What the hell?!? Turns out the EVE client extracts itself to a temporary folder on the system drive before installing. You know? The one thatĘs stuffed to capacity with Windows' Gargantuan Ass? So now I'm stuck so to speak and beseech you OOPE to help be free up disk space on my C:\Drive.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.11 05:07:00 -
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My windows 7 ultimate 64bit install comes to 13.5gigabytes right now.
Where that extra 20gig~ gone?
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Haruhiist since December 2008
 Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.11 05:16:00 -
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10.6 gigs for my win7 home premium install. Sounds like the op is a newb tbh.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.11 05:49:00 -
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Welcome to the temporary folder, which every OS has had since before Win 95. For someone who has such a 'nice' system (it'd have been nice had it been AMD and not Intel) you know so little about Windows.
Also which brand is this Gen you keep putting at the end of your HD's? And am i reading it correctly that you had Windows installed on a 250GB HD when you've got two TB's? Even if those HD's are Green ones they'll be faster than thast 250GB one, unless that's SCSI.
Win 7 hasn't got a fat arse, it's got everything that stone age OS XP hasn't got and it's a lot. I'd love to see you swap your motherboard for a different kind, brand and chipset in XP and not have to reinstall Windows. Also you lacking HD space, not partitioning it correctly or there being something wrong with it (there's quite a bit of HD space missing) isn't Win 7's problem. a 32GB SSD is fine for XP but Win 7 needs at least 64GB to be safe. I haven't got anything installed on my C drive, as I put my games on another partition, and Win 7 comes to 24GB.
Now you can go replace that SSD with a 64 Gig one or buy another and raid them, because you should have done a little research at least. You, obviously, spent a lot of time researching OCing that i7 but couldn't be arsed spending 5 mins looking up Win 7 installation size 
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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
My windows 7 ultimate 64bit install comes to 13.5gigabytes right now.
Where that extra 20gig~ gone?
If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
Additional requirements to use certain features:
Internet access (fees may apply)
From Microsoft Website: http://windows.microsoft.com/systemrequirements
As for the remaining 12GB of data I can only guess it has something to do with updates installed after the clean install (Doesn't make sense disk cleanup seems nothing) or an issue with the SSD itself which would explain why it was discounted so much (Comparable SSDs at the same store were twice the price).
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.11 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zenkai
Originally by: Blane Xero
My windows 7 ultimate 64bit install comes to 13.5gigabytes right now.
Where that extra 20gig~ gone?
If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
Additional requirements to use certain features:
Internet access (fees may apply)
From Microsoft Website: http://windows.microsoft.com/systemrequirements
As for the remaining 12GB of data I can only guess it has something to do with updates installed after the clean install (Doesn't make sense disk cleanup seems nothing) or an issue with the SSD itself which would explain why it was discounted so much (Comparable SSDs at the same store were twice the price).
Pics showing your win7 install taking up nearly the entire capacity of your ssd drive or stfu.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey
Now you can go replace that SSD with a 64 Gig one or buy another and raid them, because you should have done a little research at least. You, obviously, spent a lot of time researching OCing that i7 but couldn't be arsed spending 5 mins looking up Win 7 installation size
Thanks for the info! The first two comments were beginning to make me think that I would spend this thread defending my honor, what little of it there is. I'm a tech by trade (Electronics Technician by Naval rate), I can take apart a power supply for a Cisco router, identify burned out components and replace them like now but the software side of things... well we have an engineer for that . Back to the task at hand, the Gen Markings I put on my Specs are for "generic" I'm at work right now and can't be assed to remember the types of HDs I have other then the most new and shiny one but I'm sure they are not greens. Windows website stated that the footprint "shouldn't be more then 20GB" (32-20=12) and several websites I've visited have stated 32GB should fit "If barely," what I didn't know was how barely they where talking about. I've attempted to clear out the temp files with no joy the maintenance program says they are empty. Additionally I've been looking for ways of moving them along with all the other user files (My Documents etc.) to my secondary HD but that requires (UGH!) screwing with REGEDIT and the bag of ****s that entails.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.11 06:23:00 -
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Hrmmm, maybe you need to make the windows swap file static and on one of the 2tb disks.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss
There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Hrmmm, maybe you need to make the windows swap file static and on one of the 2tb disks.
Thank you that should free up at least a gig or two I'll look into it.
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.11 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zenkai
Originally by: Taser Monkey
Now you can go replace that SSD with a 64 Gig one or buy another and raid them, because you should have done a little research at least. You, obviously, spent a lot of time researching OCing that i7 but couldn't be arsed spending 5 mins looking up Win 7 installation size
Thanks for the info! The first two comments were beginning to make me think that I would spend this thread defending my honor, what little of it there is. I'm a tech by trade (Electronics Technician by Naval rate), I can take apart a power supply for a Cisco router, identify burned out components and replace them like now but the software side of things... well we have an engineer for that . Back to the task at hand, the Gen Markings I put on my Specs are for "generic" I'm at work right now and can't be assed to remember the types of HDs I have other then the most new and shiny one but I'm sure they are not greens. Windows website stated that the footprint "shouldn't be more then 20GB" (32-20=12) and several websites I've visited have stated 32GB should fit "If barely," what I didn't know was how barely they where talking about. I've attempted to clear out the temp files with no joy the maintenance program says they are empty. Additionally I've been looking for ways of moving them along with all the other user files (My Documents etc.) to my secondary HD but that requires (UGH!) screwing with REGEDIT and the bag of ****s that entails.
And this is what they mean with minimum requirements. Minimum means... barely working. Before I reinstalled Windows a few days ago, due to the dying of one of my Raid HD's Win came to 40 GB and that's just updates, basic programmes (AV, Spyware, diagnostics, Open Office etc). I never leave any of my important files on the C Drive, everything is backed up on other HD's (better safe than sorry).
I have 231 GB of installed games and I back all my discs up on my HD (games and programmes) and that comes to 500GB. Then I have my drivers and utilities on another partition, coming to 50GB. I have never lost anything due to the death of my C drive and I'm quite happy about that.
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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey
Originally by: Zenkai
Originally by: Taser Monkey
Now you can go replace that SSD with a 64 Gig one or buy another and raid them, because you should have done a little research at least. You, obviously, spent a lot of time researching OCing that i7 but couldn't be arsed spending 5 mins looking up Win 7 installation size
Thanks for the info! The first two comments were beginning to make me think that I would spend this thread defending my honor, what little of it there is. I'm a tech by trade (Electronics Technician by Naval rate), I can take apart a power supply for a Cisco router, identify burned out components and replace them like now but the software side of things... well we have an engineer for that . Back to the task at hand, the Gen Markings I put on my Specs are for "generic" I'm at work right now and can't be assed to remember the types of HDs I have other then the most new and shiny one but I'm sure they are not greens. Windows website stated that the footprint "shouldn't be more then 20GB" (32-20=12) and several websites I've visited have stated 32GB should fit "If barely," what I didn't know was how barely they where talking about. I've attempted to clear out the temp files with no joy the maintenance program says they are empty. Additionally I've been looking for ways of moving them along with all the other user files (My Documents etc.) to my secondary HD but that requires (UGH!) screwing with REGEDIT and the bag of ****s that entails.
And this is what they mean with minimum requirements. Minimum means... barely working. Before I reinstalled Windows a few days ago, due to the dying of one of my Raid HD's Win came to 40 GB and that's just updates, basic programmes (AV, Spyware, diagnostics, Open Office etc). I never leave any of my important files on the C Drive, everything is backed up on other HD's (better safe than sorry).
I have 231 GB of installed games and I back all my discs up on my HD (games and programmes) and that comes to 500GB. Then I have my drivers and utilities on another partition, coming to 50GB. I have never lost anything due to the death of my C drive and I'm quite happy about that.
The SSD is only for my Windows install all other programs (NewsBin, Kapersky, Eve Etc.) will be a on seperate drive remember I have 4TB!!! to play with outside of the SSD and slots for more should I need it.
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Leaving Eve
Send Your Stuff To Me
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Posted - 2010.09.11 07:53:00 -
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Not all SSD's are created equal. Some are fail in the box.
If this means you are Leaving Eve, please forward any ISK and all items to me.
I am the CEO of the official Leaving Eve fund. 
Many Kind regards and wishes for the future.
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.11 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve
Not all SSD's are created equal. Some are fail in the box.
If this means you are Leaving Eve, please forward any ISK and all items to me.
I am the CEO of the official Leaving Eve fund.
Imposter!
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Zenkai
Gallente
TOASTED Corp
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.11 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zenkai on 11/09/2010 10:13:18
I'm at home now checked have the page file allocation... Well apparently Windows decided I needed 10gigs of virtual memory  I dialed it down to a more reasonable number (1GB) and told the system it could hog as much as it needed on my other HDDs. It seems to be happy with that arrangement and Windows ass has shrunk to a acceptable 22GB. Thanks again for the help guys... I'd new it would be something stupid but I was at my wits end.
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.11 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve
Not all SSD's are created equal. Some are fail in the box.
If this means you are Leaving Eve, please forward any ISK and all items to me.
I am the CEO of the official Leaving Eve fund.
A while ago I bought two 1.5TB's for the wife. One was DOA and only the fourth worked, the other one died after three months and it took two RMA's to get a working one. Fortunately her two 2 TB's have never had these issues.
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Beachura
Two Maidens One Chalice
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.09.11 11:23:00 -
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Meh, 1 x250GB has always been fine for me thinking about an ssd though
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.11 13:54:00 -
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Of course it's enough but access time, platter density and improved heads mean that even 5400rpm Green HD's are faster than several years old 250GB ones.
I just installed Britannica (best damned Encyclopedia) and it's taken my Win 7 drive to over 30GB. It goes pretty fast.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.11 14:26:00 -
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Last week I reinstalled Windows 7 on a eco Samsung 5400rpm 1TB drive that is 30% faster than my now long in the tooth WD Raptor 74GB that I have had for 6 years.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.11 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 11/09/2010 16:26:58
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit fresh install (got the new machine running last weekend).
Installed stuff (on C) : Office 2010, Acrobat Pro 9, various smallish stuff, those are the only "major" ones (EVE and games in general are on D).
Mind you, this is just a "80 GB" (actually 80 GiB, so ~85.9 bil bytes) partition of a "2 TB" HDD (~2000 bil bytes), the second partition has everything else, this is NOT a SSD like the OP.
"Windows" - 75,363 Files, 16,494 Folders, 15.0 GB (16,125,750,182 bytes)
"Program Files" - 3,280 Files, 443 Folders, 1.26 GB (1,358,642,634 bytes)
"Program Files (x86)" - 45,216 Files, 2,238 Folders, 4.49 GB (4,829,416,350 bytes)
Total non-default-hidden stuff : 21.6 GB (23,278,632,933 bytes)
Everything except swap/hyber files : 24.5 GB (26,411,933,684 bytes)
+ huge swap file and hyberfile and whatnot, overall total : 37.2 GB (~40 bil bytes) used.
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So, no, a 32 GB SSD will just not do with Win7 unless you're very, very stringy with what you install and where... and then, why the hell do you bother with a SSD anyway ?
Probably even a 64 GB SSD will barely be enough if you want to put your swap, games and all of it on it.
I'd say a 80 GB SSD is the bare minimum to have with Win7.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.11 17:23:00 -
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I'm using an Intel X25-M 80GB SSD for my OS partition and apart from "frequently used" programs most of the OS related stuff is still on here including the swapfile, all libraries were relocated to a 1TB drive. I'm using roughly 38GB out of the available 74.5GB, 17.8GB of which are the non-hidden windows files and it works like a dream.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.09.11 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: dr doooo on 11/09/2010 17:48:58
Edited by: dr doooo on 11/09/2010 17:47:09
Here is a few tips for trimming down windows 7 on your ssd.
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.12 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 11/09/2010 16:38:34
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit fresh install (got the new machine running last weekend).
Installed stuff (on C) : Office 2010, Acrobat Pro 9, various needed smaller stuff, those are the only "major" ones (EVE and games in general are on D).
STILL have quite a few big things to install, like AutoCAD and other work-related software. "My Documents" is also force-relocated on D (that would be an extra 5+ GB right now), let alone other work-related resources (another 3+ GB).
Mind you, this is just a "80 GB" (actually 80 GiB, so ~85.9 bil bytes) partition of a "2 TB" HDD (~2000 bil bytes), the second partition has everything else, this is NOT a SSD like the OP.
"Windows" - 75,363 Files, 16,494 Folders, 15.0 GB (16,125,750,182 bytes)
"Program Files" - 3,280 Files, 443 Folders, 1.26 GB (1,358,642,634 bytes)
"Program Files (x86)" - 45,216 Files, 2,238 Folders, 4.49 GB (4,829,416,350 bytes)
Total non-default-hidden stuff : 21.6 GB (23,278,632,933 bytes)
Everything except swap/hyber files : 24.5 GB (26,411,933,684 bytes)
+ huge swap file and hyberfile and whatnot, overall total : 37.2 GB (~40 bil bytes) used.
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It makes NO sense to have a SSD and keep any of the following off of it : SWAP FILE, games and programs you use frequently, the OS files.
Savegames, documents, non-time-critical programs, hyberfile, that you can keep on slower drives.
So, no, a 32 GB SSD will just not do with Win7 unless you're very, very stringy with what you install and where... and then, why the hell do you bother with a SSD anyway ? Probably even a 64 GB SSD will barely be enough if you want to put your swap, games and all of it on it (and why wouldn't you want to). I guess it depends on how many (and which) games you'd be keeping installed.
I'd say a 80 GB SSD is the desirable minimum to have with Win7Ult64.
You might manage with a 64 GB SSD, but it could get pretty damn crowded unless you aggressively prune stuff off of it.
Did Akita just give constructive advice?
I never understood people who keep their gigantic 500GB+ HD's as a single parition and install everything on them. It always leads to tears and drama and they just never learn. Humanity is brilliant
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zenkai
The wife made the mistake of saying that she felt I wasn't spending enough Money on myself in the past few months,...
She's setting you up. She has already made a MAJOR purchase without your knowledge and this is her way of softening the blow when she tells you. Either that, or she met with her lover while you were away shopping.
Women never make mistakes. There is always a method to their madness.
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Mr Funkadelic
x13
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:06:00 -
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Nice rig, but 32gig ssd hdd is pretty fail tbh. buy a real size next time.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey
Did Akita just give constructive advice?
I never understood people who keep their gigantic 500GB+ HD's as a single parition and install everything on them. It always leads to tears and drama and they just never learn. Humanity is brilliant
Why not keep it as a single partition, it's not as if multiple partitions is safer.
Just plug in a second drive if you need it, and keep the single partition organised.
I have a single 1TB drive where I install my "productivity" related stuff, Office that sort of thing, I admit it's mostly empty, still 851GB of space left.
And a second 1TB drive with all my games on it, which is about half full, 521GB of free space left.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Taser Monkey
I never understood people who keep their gigantic 500GB+ HD's as a single parition and install everything on them. It always leads to tears and drama and they just never learn. Humanity is brilliant
Why not keep it as a single partition, it's not as if multiple partitions is safer.
Let's just say some people that end up having some problems and are not especially tech-savvy learn the hard way that the OS should have been on a separate partition from their work files, EVEN IF it's on the same HDD, when the tech support guys get lazy and decide to just wipe the partition clean before a reinstall.
If you're a tech-savvy person, you already know it's a little bit more convenient for you to have the OS be on a separate partition if you ever feel the need to reinstall it (or migrate it, or whatnot). Also, there are other tiny things that make having the OS on a separate rotating plate HDD partition ever so slightly more desirable, like, say, fine-tuning the indexing system, running scandisk/defrag tools, etc.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:53:00 -
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If you have multiple physical hard disks in your system put the pagefile on a different one than the one windows is on. I have my pagefile fixed at 4GB set size at creation. I have 4gb ram.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
If you have multiple physical hard disks in your system put the pagefile on a different one than the one windows is on. I have my pagefile fixed at 4GB set size at creation. I have 4gb ram.
I prefer my pagefile on the fastest drive I've got available, which happens to be my OS drive, and since it's an SSD there aren't many issues. It's still lightning fast, even with both sharing the same disc.
6GB of pagefile alongside 8GB of RAM, the RAM was and still is overkill since there's so very little short of a ton of CS5 sessions that can push it past 50% though.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.09.15 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey
For someone who has such a 'nice' system (it'd have been nice had it been AMD and not Intel)
Nice is intel, sorry check out the benchs a quad intel beats a 6core amd. Fail much? (yes on programs that use multi cores, the AMD had more clock anyway)
windows 7 aint 32 gigs...
17.2 on my "windows" folder. Enterprise.
VM should not be on a SSD... due to the limited read/write times...
a normal HDD "should" run 20% free... so take 20% of that 40 gigs.
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2010.09.15 07:49:00 -
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I also refer you to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
A pretty neat way to boot that pesky temp directory from your tight C: drive.
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