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ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.12 17:58:00 - [1] are you ppl insane ?? TAX on beer WTF man WTF why you want to tax beer Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:06:00 - [2] Blame underage drinkers and drink-related crimes. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:10:00 - [3] Our tax-funded health service has to deal with a lot of illnesses (such as liver problems) related to alcohol abuse, not to mention accidental injuries cause by excessive drinking.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:33:00 - [4] Booze has always been taxed and you'll find (as with smoking) that tax on it pumps much more into the treasury than it costs the NHS to treat the problems it causes. There's recently been an idea bandied about (in Scotalnd at least) re putting a ú0.50 minimum price per unit of alcohol. This won't affect you if you go down the pub or buy decent alcohol but it will slam the anchors on those who enjoy Tesco's own wife beater and sh*te whitening.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:45:00 - [5] Edited by: Vogue on 12/09/2010 18:46:48 Once a Labour minister of health said that smoking is a simple pleasure for poor people. Which was a down to earth realistic remark. People who live on the bottom rung's of life's ladder need vices to mellow the grit and grime in their lives. I have started smoking again alas. I would quit if I could go running but I can't run for more than 10 minutes anymore. All I need now is a cough like general Grevious ..................................................
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:31:00 - [6] Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 12/09/2010 19:31:57 Ah the UK. They came for the gun owners, and nobody cared because the beer in the pub was safe. They came for the land owners... They came for business owners... but as long as bloke sheeple could sit in their pubs and have their beer, all was OK, right? Out of control government eventually gets to something you care about, no matter how little you care about anything. That last bastion of good citizens content to eat, sleep, crap, and work - and drink their beer and want little else in the world- now has a reason to flap. I don't expect the Thames to be filled with beer over this.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Booze has always been taxed and you'll find (as with smoking) that tax on it pumps much more into the treasury than it costs the NHS to treat the problems it causes. Truth. But it makes a good cover story to say you're jacking taxes up to make more people quit, or to cover costs, and you'd be surprised how many people fall for it. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.12 19:53:00 - [8] lets say i get paid 100 english pounds... i get ú80 in my bank after tax and national insurance i spend ú50 on food/goods, and ~8 of that is VAT if i then buy ú20 of fuel, probably ú10 of that is taxed. it's probably similar for tobacco, so lets say i buy ú10 of that and ú5 is duty alcohol is the same i guess thats 42 of tax in my 100 so far and i haven't included council tax which about ú80 a month... taxed when i earn it, taxed when i spend it, taxed when i travel to spend it (fuel tax & road tax) and taxed when i leave it to my relatives... grumbles all i get for my council tax is the bin emptied every other week lol... x ps: my numbers are very rough, feel free to correct them lol pps: i think alcohol costs the police more than it does the health service, but friday nights in england are hell for both of them... xx EVE Garden
AlleyKat Gallente The Unwanted.	Posted - 2010.09.12 20:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails friday nights in England are hell for both of them... ...And it doesn't take a genius to work out why. I say ban booze altogether, it does nothing but allow ugly people to get laid. AK EVE-ONLINE Video-Making Tutorials Vid - New Tricks
CharmingButIrrational Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.09.12 20:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails teh taxes Welcome to socalism?
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.12 20:42:00 - [11] Originally by: CharmingButIrrational Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails teh taxes Welcome to socalism? It's not socialism, it's mismanagement. Because of the work I do, I completely understand the importance of costing the services you either use or provide. I think that two much goes into the "human resources" machine though. Analyists, auditors, managers, all feature heavily in government. I've been reading a book called "Wasting Police Time" by "PC David Copperfield", it's an interesting insight into the beaurocracy faced by Englands police force. Oh and the war, people seem to gloss over that. Being a military force in the middle east is extrodinarily expensive, but the news seems to focus how we're cutting ú4 billion in housing benefit while continuing to spend however many billions on munitions and tridants etc. I'm bored now so I'm gonna go over there and look at that shiney thing lol x EVE Garden

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.12 20:44:00 - [12] Originally by: ceaon are you ppl insane ?? TAX on beer WTF man WTF why you want to tax beer In the US some states have additional taxes on fast food. They also tax the heck out of cigarettes no matter where you go. In New York it cost $12 a pack. Luckily I'm in Virginia where they only cost $5. Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.09.12 21:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Booze has always been taxed and you'll find (as with smoking) that tax on it pumps much more into the treasury than it costs the NHS to treat the problems it causes. [citation needed] With lower tax, I think some people would be able to afford to consume more of these than they presently do, and would probably do so. Are you counting the savings arising from not having to treat the greater numbers of people who would probably be affected if we had lower tax? I'm not claiming to know any better, but I'd like to know where you get your figures. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.12 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Adida Originally by: ceaon are you ppl insane ?? TAX on beer WTF man WTF why you want to tax beer In the US some states have additional taxes on fast food. They also tax the heck out of cigarettes no matter where you go. In New York it cost $12 a pack. Luckily I'm in Virginia where they only cost $5. I have an American friend and he says he used to live somewhere near an NA reservation, and get his tobacco from there were taxes don't apply lol :D Tobacco tax is so stupid. It costs me less to get a 50g pack of Golden Virginia (which is manufactured in England) off some bloke in a pub than it does to buy it from a shop. He just nips over to France where the stuff we make is sold cheaper, then brings it back for a small profit too. Smuggling is bad and all, but a product your country makes being cheaper in another country x EVE Garden
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.12 21:35:00 - [15] I buy rolling tobacco which is a lot cheaper than regular ciggies. I smoke golden virginia and gold leaf. ..................................................
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Booze has always been taxed and you'll find (as with smoking) that tax on it pumps much more into the treasury than it costs the NHS to treat the problems it causes. There's recently been an idea bandied about (in Scotalnd at least) re putting a ú0.50 minimum price per unit of alcohol. This won't affect you if you go down the pub or buy decent alcohol but it will slam the anchors on those who enjoy Tesco's own wife beater and sh*te whitening. Even the USA, that claims to be free ... (in America people think they are free while tyrants run everything and in those lands that are so un-free that Americans think they should be bombed into democracy, the people do whatever they need to while they tyrants think they run everything) ... we have always had some taxes on booze. Look up "Whiskey Rebellion" and you see how far this stuff goes even in the (so-called) land of the free. (free to complain about taxes).
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 12/09/2010 18:46:48 Once a Labour minister of health said that smoking is a simple pleasure for poor people. Which was a down to earth realistic remark. People who live on the bottom rung's of life's ladder need vices to mellow the grit and grime in their lives. pane et circenses
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:33:00 - [18] Hm... beer... maybe salt, beards next... Sounds like Russia circa 1700. The English were building their world empire at the time. How world change...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.12 22:46:00 - [19] 70% of a beer in Norway in the bars are pure taxes :'( -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.09.13 02:45:00 - [20] Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails friday nights in England are hell for both of them... ...And it doesn't take a genius to work out why. I say ban booze altogether, it does nothing but allow ugly people to get laid. AK Banning booze is impossible, 100% impossible. there is proof and its called the 1930s.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.09.13 03:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails friday nights in England are hell for both of them... ...And it doesn't take a genius to work out why. I say ban booze altogether, it does nothing but allow ugly people to get laid. AK Banning booze is impossible, 100% impossible. there is proof and its called the 1930s. just throwing this out there - its impossible to ban ANYTHING. Booze, weed, heavier drugs, automatic firearms, nuclear weapons..... Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
ceaon	Posted - 2010.09.13 04:16:00 - [22] are you ppl allowed to make your own brandy ? at home ? Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.09.13 06:38:00 - [23] Originally by: ceaon are you ppl allowed to make your own brandy ? at home ? I don't know about Blokeland, but in the US, we can make our own beer and wine. I think up to 200 gallons of beer and I don't know what wine is at. As for distilled spirits, there are variable modifications state by state, but generally frowned on by the federal government except under some circumstances (agricultural reasons). I just bottled Gruit - a pre-hops beer recipe from old grains and some herbs - it's an ancient mix that borders between wine and beer, but strong. I fear it.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.13 07:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 12/09/2010 18:46:48 Once a Labour minister of health said that smoking is a simple pleasure for poor people. Which was a down to earth realistic remark. People who live on the bottom rung's of life's ladder need vices to mellow the grit and grime in their lives. I have started smoking again alas. I would quit if I could go running but I can't run for more than 10 minutes anymore. All I need now is a cough like general Grevious Long time ago i read something this stupid, that includes CAOD. Smokers whining about taxes that are higher than they cost due to higher medical bills are sad. Maybe they should include in their calculations compensation for the people killed by passive smoking.
AlleyKat Gallente The Unwanted.	Posted - 2010.09.13 08:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Banning booze is impossible, 100% impossible. there is proof and its called the 1930s. That's not proof, that's 1 example in a corrupt system. If you are suggesting it won't work, you are really saying that the current system is corrupt and the people in power are weak...in which case, why have the people voted them into this position? Maybe they were drunk when they did... AK EVE-ONLINE Video-Making Tutorials Vid - New Tricks
Haral Heisto	Posted - 2010.09.13 08:58:00 - [26] Originally by: ceaon are you ppl allowed to make your own brandy ? at home ? Beer and wine for personal consumption and gifts. Making booze for sale, or anything that requires a still to make (including brandy) requires a commercial licence to do so, and they're not cheap.
Muul Udonii Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.09.13 09:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro With lower tax, I think some people would be able to afford to consume more of these than they presently do, and would probably do so. Trouble is you can't produce a believably metric for that. So the only answer that seems to be revenue generating is 'increased tax = more revenue'
dr doooo	Posted - 2010.09.13 09:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 12/09/2010 19:31:57 Ah the UK. They came for the gun owners, and nobody cared because the beer in the pub was safe. They came for the land owners... They came for business owners... but as long as bloke sheeple could sit in their pubs and have their beer, all was OK, right? Out of control government eventually gets to something you care about, no matter how little you care about anything. That last bastion of good citizens content to eat, sleep, crap, and work - and drink their beer and want little else in the world- now has a reason to flap. I don't expect the Thames to be filled with beer over this. I really don't know what you are talking about here? Maybe you could put me straight? There has never been a mainstream culture of gun ownership in the UK, beyond shot guns in the country, which are still there. Sure they have restricted the ownership laws of some weapons in the last 20 years, but that was perfectly democratic, with the vast majority of the population backing the new laws. Land/Business owners - No idea what your are talking about? If you are referring to the recent depression, are the 'they' that you think came lizard men? shadow world government?
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.09.13 10:11:00 - [29] If anyone has a gun to sell in the UK pm me in game! I will pay ú500 ..ibtl! ..................................................
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.13 10:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Booze has always been taxed and you'll find (as with smoking) that tax on it pumps much more into the treasury than it costs the NHS to treat the problems it causes. There's recently been an idea bandied about (in Scotalnd at least) re putting a ú0.50 minimum price per unit of alcohol. This won't affect you if you go down the pub or buy decent alcohol but it will slam the anchors on those who enjoy Tesco's own wife beater and shte whitening. In my experience the only definitive outcome from inflation on the cost of recreational substances, of which alcohol is the #1 catalyst for almost all reported crime in the UK, is a marked increase in petty criminality and desperation-crime; including spiralling personal debt and what is called 'atlernative drug use' where people turn to cheaper drugs peddled by criminals not 'Julie' in Morrisons. Like ***** and Coke. The end result of which is the lowering of everyone's quality of life by proxy and of course a significantly increased bill for law enforcement that nowhere near mitigates or justifies 'ban it' or 'tax it' policies in the first place. Frankly the kinds of binary legislation long mooted here and sadly long in place in less civilized nations only serves to make headlines, bag votes from idiots and justify quangos. Have a look at the USA's substance related crime statistics, their jail populations of substance abusers (and the ethnicity of those people) and the 'hard line' legislation that has failed to work and failed everyone in major cities for generations. But hey, it puts Quinby back in office year in year out. If they are locked up or dead they don't foul the side-walk right? Also minimum per unit pricing will effect you! You will see noticeable increases in all but spirits. It also (conveniently) results in significantly more tax for the HMRC. That's just a coincidence though of course. Got to pay for all those NHS managers gold pated, index-linked pensions .. Ultimately I'm sure taxing the poor and the wretched quit literally to death, is ok. As long as it 'helps' them in the short term and ensures Tarquin get's his new fleet mercedes every year.

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