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AJZ
NailorTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:12:00 -
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I am in the market for a new PC to play eve, and also kinda need it to 2box fairly well. I'm not sure exactly what specs eve relies upon, but im hoping to get some feedback here. Thanks in advance for any insight.
heres a pc i was looking at for a fair price:
General Features
Operating system
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor
AMD Athlon II 630 Quad-Core Processor
Memory
4GB
Memory speed
PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM memory (2x2048MB)
Total memory slots
4 DIMM (240-pin, DDR3) (2 available)
Maximum memory expansion
Expandable to 16GB
Graphics card
ATI Radeon HD 4200 integrated graphics
TV & entertainment experience
N/A
PCI expansion
3 PCI Express x1 (three available)(24) ;1 PCI Express x16 (one available)(24) ;1 MiniCard (one available)
Hard drive
750GB 7200RPM Serial ATA hard drive
Primary CD/DVD drive
SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology(6) ;Write: 16x max DVD¦R, 12x max DVD¦R DL, 8x max DVD+RW, 6x max DVD-RW, 12x max DVD-RAM, 40x max CD-R, 32x max CD-RW Read: 16x max DVD-ROM, 40x max CD-ROM
Secondary CD/DVD drive
Networking
10/100/1000Base-T network interface
Sound card
High Definition Audio with up to 7.1 surround sound capabilities
I/O ports
15-in-1 memory card reader: supports SmartMedia, xD, MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Mini Secure Digital, Compact Flash I, Compact Flash II, IBM Microdrive, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo, RSMMC, MMC Mobile, MMC+ ;Headphone; Microphone (Front) ;2 USB 2.0 ports (Front) ;4 USB 2.0 ports (Back) ;2 USB 1.1 ports (Back) ;VGA-out and DVI-D (Back) ;Microphone/Line-in/Line-out; Rear speaker-out; Side speaker out; Center (subwoofer) (Back) ; LAN (Back) ;1 FireWire (IEEE 1394) port (Back) ;Optical Digital Audio Out (Back)
Thanks,
AJZ
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bassie12bf1
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:14:00 -
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You may want to get a seperate graphics card, Onboard graphics rarely work great for what you need it for.
That's all really.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:19:00 -
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Integrated graphics is a no-no. Especially with Incarna coming.
I always buy the best on the market at the time knowing full well that I won't upgrade for 5 years ..
It works out cheaper than overclocking and replacing stuff every 18 months. Buggering about selling cards on ebay etc.
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Origin AZ
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:24:00 -
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So if i dropped my nvidia 9800gt into it im golden you think?
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King Pleasure
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:24:00 -
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 Originally by: AJZ
Graphics card
ATI Radeon HD 4200 integrated graphics
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Originally by: AJZ
PCI expansion
3 PCI Express x1 (three available)(24) ;1 PCI Express x16 (one available)(24)
You should invest in a dedicated video card for the PCI Express slot if you plan on duel-boxing. I think your integrated could probably run 2 copies of eve but they'll be slow and have to be run on low settings.
It's not like Eve eats systems for breakfast so you should be able to get a cheap Nvidia or ATI card and have no worries.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:26:00 -
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Get a decent cpu - you seem happy with the AMD thats fine.
You want a mobo in the 50-100 range; they seem to come impregnated with onboard **** you dont want and will never need nowdays.So get the bare minimum. Make sure it supports 4+gb of ram. I generally only by Asus mobos as I have never had one go wrong on me and the firmware is always great and easy to use.
Get an Nvidia GPU. ATi make nice cards but Nvidia are the future of stand-alone cards imho now the Ati brand has been flushed.
Consider getting a cheap 32gb SSD to use as a root/OS drive and then buy a cheap whatever SATA II HDD for storing your **** on.
Thats it really.
PSU - whatever. Make sure its quality and not less than 400w.
I usually spend about ú200 on the build of my replacement PC's (mem, mobo, ram etc.) and re-use the PSU and the cases. Then I spend another ú250 or so on the best GPU I can find in the 'not quite stupid prices' end of things.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:30:00 -
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Confirming that the spec you posted will triple box without a problem, even if you dropped the spec quite a lot.
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Murq
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Murq on 13/09/2010 16:33:54
Originally by: Muul Udonii
Confirming that the spec you posted will triple box without a problem, even if you dropped the spec quite a lot.
You have this PC?
I'm sure this player isn't talking about running 2 or 3 clients on one video card on the same monitor...
I believe the question more means: If I have 2 monitors and 2 characters that I want to play with simultaneously in window-mode on two different monitors would this machine suffice?
Other than the obvious, the on-board graphics will need to be upgraded, but how necessary is the dual PCI-E 16x slot? Can any videocards run two different clients on two different ports without issues?
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Murq
You have this PC?
Nope, I have less CPU, less memory and assuming he does stick in his graphics card, a worse graphics setup. And it works fine.
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Murq
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Muul Udonii
Originally by: Murq
You have this PC?
Nope, I have less CPU, less memory and assuming he does stick in his graphics card, a worse graphics setup. And it works fine.
Do you run Low Bloom and High Detail + HDR + Cache on both clients?
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Grez
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
Get an Nvidia GPU. ATi make nice cards but Nvidia are the future of stand-alone cards imho now the Ati brand has been flushed.
Consider getting a cheap 32gb SSD to use as a root/OS drive and then buy a cheap whatever SATA II HDD for storing your **** on.
Jesus, the utter trash you get on the forums these days... ATI's fine (better than NVIDIA at the moment anywho). I'd aim a little higher and go for a cheap 4850 or even a 5750 if you can afford the ú90. I'd also aim for a Phenom II if you can afford it over the Athlon II.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
Get an Nvidia GPU. ATi make nice cards but Nvidia are the future of stand-alone cards imho now the Ati brand has been flushed.
Consider getting a cheap 32gb SSD to use as a root/OS drive and then buy a cheap whatever SATA II HDD for storing your **** on.
Jesus, the utter trash you get on the forums these days... ATI's fine (better than NVIDIA at the moment anywho). I'd aim a little higher and go for a cheap 4850 or even a 5750 if you can afford the ú90. I'd also aim for a Phenom II if you can afford it over the Athlon II.
Charming. Look I don't have anything against Ati. And if the brief is 'cheap as possible only has to last a year, eghteen months' fine. No complaints. But beyond that? My money would go on a high end Nvidia card.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:45:00 -
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No, cos it runs slow when I'm also watching ****.
Gotta get my priorities right :D
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Cathleia
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cathleia on 13/09/2010 16:53:52
Go to sites like tom's hardware or overclockers.co.uk and let them push you in the right direction for a gaming rig, mention how much you want to spend though.
You can get something that runs everything (aka games, including higher end ones) fairly well for about 500-600USD selfbuilt. They might also know decent prebuilt computers.
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Murq
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:53:00 -
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Look at how quick this topic turns into AVI vs NVIDIA.
That's not really the issue or question at all.
DUAL 16x PCI-E slots --- is it necessary to dual box two clients on two different monitors on good settings?
If not necessary, what kind of specs would you need to do this?
What processors are best for EVE?
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King Pleasure
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:57:00 -
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No, you can run two clients on two monitors on a single video card so long as it supports duel support.
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Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:21:00 -
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Both nvidia and ATI have their problems.
But you should have a dedicated video card no matter what, it will make eve run a whole lot smoother then that integrated junk.
I'd say you could not go wrong with a nvidia GTX 460 or ATI 5830 both are awesome current generation midrange cards for a good price.
As for the CPU I'm sure that would work fine but for a few extra $$$ you could get a slightly faster one like a AMD Phenom II X4 945.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:25:00 -
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Here:
Intel Core2Duo E8400 @ 3GHz
4 GB DDR2
Vista 64Bit
Ati HD 4670
2x 22" screens on DVI
ASUS mobo
2 Clients run windowed on 1440x900 with shadows, HDR, bloom low, shader high, texture high, lod high besides each other and some desktop crap (skype, vlc, firefox, thunderbird, excel, etc pp) around 20-30fps each.
If I want 50fps I have to switch HDR off, shader low and texture medium. rest as above.
PS: the system was build/bought/choosen for low power/decent usability roughly 2 tears ago and will probably be around for another 2 years.
PPS: actual I would get this config if I had to build a new one (again low power, decent usability) and trying to get a low-profile card for a slim housing (100x300x300mm, 300W TFX PSU)..
Intel Core i5-661
4 GB DDR3
Win 7 64Bit
Ati HD 5750 (shame there are no better low profile cards :( )
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Murq
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Here:
Intel Core2Duo E8400 @ 3GHz
4 GB DDR2
Vista 64Bit
Ati HD 4670
2x 22" screens on DVI
ASUS mobo
Thank you Tres! This is what this thread is looking for. Much appreciated.
Anyone else have other experiences like this with different machines maybe?
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Diana Ross
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:23:00 -
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i got pretty mutch the same config as tres,
just that i have a 9800gt gfx card, so nvidia not ati.
i run eve on two not identic monitors and it still runs fine.
1920x1080 and the alt runs on the 1280x1024 one, its all np, frapsing etc is no problem either.
i allways use asus mbs and a good psu though cause the rly cheap ones fail a lot and in the rly cheap deal options you will almost allways end with a cheap psu.
and just stay away from integrated gfx cards, it will limit you a lot in the future
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Commissar Kate
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Murq
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Here:
Intel Core2Duo E8400 @ 3GHz
4 GB DDR2
Vista 64Bit
Ati HD 4670
2x 22" screens on DVI
ASUS mobo
Thank you Tres! This is what this thread is looking for. Much appreciated.
Anyone else have other experiences like this with different machines maybe?
You can get a AMD Quadcore for less than that Intel Core2Duo. Just something I want to point out.
And as the previous poster said, a nvidia 9800 will work just fine, I ran with one for several years with no problem and they are dirt cheap now too.
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Murq
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Murq on 13/09/2010 18:32:41
Nice..
So to end this thread:
AJZ is debating this purchase http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6327550&CatId=4910
2x 9800GT cards will be present for SLI
This should really do the trick, right? I mean.. for the price mark, I don't see any better options.
Quad Core
750W Power Supply
4GB DDR3 RAM
2x 9800 GT with SLI
That's gotta do the trick, right?
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:13:00 -
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I think you should be ok with any average graphics cards.
I'm currently running an i7 quad core at 2.93ghz 6 gigs of ram & 2 ati HD4850's and can run 4 clients with maxed settings at 50~60fps, I can run 7 at ~35fps.
However there seems to be a certain point where your PC specs dont really matter when it comes to EVE, certain enviroments like gas clouds in some plex's and structures and the like, seem to cause little hiccups no matter how beefy your machine is. It has something to do with the way bloom interacts with the cloud & structure objects.
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Kyden
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:20:00 -
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Build your own...never buy a manufactured pc. It is so much cheaper to build one yourself.
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