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![Bad Princess Bad Princess](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1142143818/portrait?size=64)
Bad Princess
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zendoren
Originally by: Bad Princess
There's 3 bloody tiers worth of battleships, and they are big enough.
If three tiers of Battleships ****es you off now.... you are rely going to blow a gasket when CCP release the 4th tiers soonÖ
Not if they fix rockets first.
![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
Oh yes I did.
![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
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![Rewind12 Rewind12](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600883595/portrait?size=64)
Rewind12
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess
A truly fun experience is when two pieces of technologically equal gear meet.
Ever tried chess ? No? WoW arenas? No? Any OTHER game that puts you on equal terms with your oponent? Still no, huh?
You forgot to mention the skill system aswell. That should be changed too, so that it doesn't offset that equality you seek so much.
Originally by: Bad Princess
Then the REAL bragging rights can be won.
I remember goons bragging alot when they took down the BoB fleet, 3 frigs to 1 BS. Think that is za "REAL BRAGGING RIGHTS", not --" i had a raven, he had a raven, same skills on both, i hit F1 first and won"-- , or did BS fights get more tactical and i didn't notice?
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![KhaniKirai KhaniKirai](https://images.evetech.net/characters/739559607/portrait?size=64)
KhaniKirai
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:45:00 -
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There is a reason people fly bigger ships, that have better survival chance.
Simple: its nto funny having to pay 30+ mill just for a medical clone.
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![Zendoren Zendoren](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1758825481/portrait?size=64)
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess
Originally by: Zendoren
Originally by: Bad Princess
There's 3 bloody tiers worth of battleships, and they are big enough.
If three tiers of Battleships ****es you off now.... you are rely going to blow a gasket when CCP release the 4th tiers soonÖ
Not if they fix rockets first.
![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
Oh yes I did.
![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
Rockets are a running gag now-a-days... they will be fixed just about at the same time as hell freezes over or CCP starts to listen to the EVE-O forum posters and do everything we suggest to fix the game!
My suggestion, don't hold your breath!
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![HeIIfire11 HeIIfire11](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2017132153/portrait?size=64)
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rewind12 i hit F1 first and won"-- , or did BS fights get more tactical and i didn't notice?
Thats thanks to sites like battleclinic..a battleship has enough slots to fit a ship in a uniqe way.One wrong mod can mean you lose.Problem is everyone fits their ships the same.Its fittings like the shield tanked vindicator and so on that I give props to.But even those get worn out after a while.My point is you have enough room in a bs to be original..other than in a frig with one low slot.
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![Barakkus Barakkus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/482849053/portrait?size=64)
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rewind12
Originally by: Bad Princess
A truly fun experience is when two pieces of technologically equal gear meet.
Ever tried chess ? No? WoW arenas? No? Any OTHER game that puts you on equal terms with your oponent? Still no, huh?
You forgot to mention the skill system aswell. That should be changed too, so that it doesn't offset that equality you seek so much.
Originally by: Bad Princess
Then the REAL bragging rights can be won.
I remember goons bragging alot when they took down the BoB fleet, 3 frigs to 1 BS. Think that is za "REAL BRAGGING RIGHTS", not --" i had a raven, he had a raven, same skills on both, i hit F1 first and won"-- , or did BS fights get more tactical and i didn't notice?
WoW arenas are far from putting players on a level playing field.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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![Rewind12 Rewind12](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600883595/portrait?size=64)
Rewind12
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Its fittings like the shield tanked vindicator and so on that I give props to.But even those get worn out after a while.My point is you have enough room in a bs to be original..other than in a frig with one low slot.
Fitting wars you say ?
Hell, this could be propositioned to ccp as a side game. Or better yet, people might someday understand that all this can be done on SISI at no isk loss. But noo... "I wanna pew pew you" "Ok, let's get on sisi" "Here. Now. Pew pew" "Man... i just hate ratting for a new ship, sisi pls?" "You.Me.Pew pew. NOW !!!" *fires* "You know you have a BC and i have a BS and 2 painters right ? " ...continues to fire. "Fine"... pew pew BOOOM "ARRRR, where dem rats at?"
Winner : miners, manufacturers !
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![Dharh Dharh](https://images.evetech.net/characters/709351989/portrait?size=64)
Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess
Originally by: Dharh
You may want to play a game that stagnates, but many don't. Personally the only goals I have in this game are ship accumulation. Once you negate better and better ships there's nothing left for anyone but pew pew lovers. IE 1/4 the population.
There are ten thousand or more ways to keep this game from stagnating.
Ever increasing penile extensions in the form of ships isn't the only one, nor is it even necessary.
Most gamers value skill over wallet size, though granted, in some instances, the two may be comparable, as in market PvP, but that is not the norm.
A truly fun experience is when two pieces of technologically equal gear meet.
Then the REAL bragging rights can be won. Parity sifts through the skill tree, and separates they posers with cash from the winners with skill.
The rest is store bought braggadocio any gimp with daddy's credit card can acquire.
And people bragging about this or that killmail using some supposed 'inferior' ship isn't e-peen? please.
The only combat pvp that is even remotely interesting imo is corp/alliance warfare. Solo pvp/small fleet pvp is fun after a fashion, but ultimately gets as boring as pure mission carebaring over and over.
Plenty of people have fun traveling up the ship hierarchy and it has nothing to do with e-peens.
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![Lonzo Kincaid Lonzo Kincaid](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1481121198/portrait?size=64)
Lonzo Kincaid
Black Bands
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:09:00 -
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Cap ships, and by extension POS, spoiled eve. The game was best when these has just came out, and got gradually worse from there on out. ----------------------
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![Rewind12 Rewind12](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600883595/portrait?size=64)
Rewind12
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid Cap ships, and by extension POS, spoiled eve. The game was best when these has just came out, and got gradually worse from there on out.
Always wanted more surprises in eve, and they came in the form of Pinatas Of Space. Wack them hard enough, and they poop out candy , later may follow with rivers of space elixir, locally known as carebear tears. Too bad i'm diabetic.
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![HeIIfire11 HeIIfire11](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2017132153/portrait?size=64)
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rewind12
Originally by: Lonzo Kincaid Cap ships, and by extension POS, spoiled eve. The game was best when these has just came out, and got gradually worse from there on out.
Always wanted more surprises in eve, and they came in the form of Pinatas Of Space. Wack them hard enough, and they poop out candy , later may follow with rivers of space elixir, locally known as carebear tears. Too bad i'm diabetic.
Oh now even cap pilots are called carebears..thats new.Who isnt a carebear if I might ask?![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![Rewind12 Rewind12](https://images.evetech.net/characters/600883595/portrait?size=64)
Rewind12
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.14 20:31:00 -
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I only mentioned POSs, not cap pilots.
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![Syn Callibri Syn Callibri](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1123294541/portrait?size=64)
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez If you don't like it, gb2wow.
Got to here and gave up on reading the rest...how original. Makes me wonder how many times you were told that. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Syn Callibri Sister of the Blood Pact
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![TheBlueMonkey TheBlueMonkey](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1252990196/portrait?size=64)
TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:33:00 -
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agreed, small and fun.
Caps should only be for taking out stations\pos\other caps not farming plex's and spamming systems in the name of "defence" --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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![Doddy Doddy](https://images.evetech.net/characters/171387862/portrait?size=64)
Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.14 23:38:00 -
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capital ships (including freighters) ruined eve, but they did it long ago and its way way too late to do something about it.
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![XJennieX XJennieX](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1519895275/portrait?size=64)
XJennieX
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.09.15 00:09:00 -
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i have to agree with op. for example you have to only go and google pandemic legion killboard and go check it out. aside of big capital fleetbattles which these monsters are made for there are increasingly lots of some odd looking kills. yes. people hotdropping supercarriers to kill not only 5-10 man roaming gangs but even solo battleships for christs sake. something is wrong imo when i see 1 dead bs and in mail there is multiple supercarriers who have just hotdropped the guy for ****s and giggles.
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![Serz Wayfarer Serz Wayfarer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1636001966/portrait?size=64)
Serz Wayfarer
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Posted - 2010.09.15 04:30:00 -
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Could not agree more with OP
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![Elzon1 Elzon1](https://images.evetech.net/characters/869132265/portrait?size=64)
Elzon1
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Posted - 2010.09.15 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Elzon1 on 15/09/2010 06:28:37 Edited by: Elzon1 on 15/09/2010 06:27:11 Strange how everyone has forgotten when a certain someone took out a Titan and quite a few capitals with only a battleship due to the enemy's lack of skills and preparedness. ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
May I reintroduce the anti-capital/blob chain reaction weapon: Skip to 1:28 to see the weapon in action and remeber this is ancient history which is still on it's way to being in our possession ![Cool](/images/icon_cool.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdTJjDnYzEnull
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![Lance Fighter Lance Fighter](https://images.evetech.net/characters/206506965/portrait?size=64)
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.15 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 15/09/2010 06:31:01
Originally by: Elzon1 http://www.eveonline.com/null
The absolute LAST WORD when it comes to forum warfare.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails so i'm pretty much anti cat at the moment (lol)
x
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![Umega Umega](https://images.evetech.net/characters/552032443/portrait?size=64)
Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.15 06:39:00 -
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So it isn't lag that caused a decline in PvP.. it's capital ships? Huh. I wonder what the census will be when/if lag is atleast fixed back to Apocrypha standards.
Damn them capital ships.. and all their mineral chomping manufacturing needs. Yes lets cheapen everything up.. cause that surely won't result in null being less desirable and populated and protected and fought over. It should smell and behave like, lowsec in importance. Yeah, we don't need more minreal consumption in this game, it's irrelevent!
Damn all those thousands of people that skilled up to fly capital ships cause it was a dream of theirs. Screw their dreams!
Damn CCP for not implementing more smaller vessels lately.. oh besides T3 Cruisers and redesigning the pirate ships to quite pleasant to fly n battle worth boats. Cause surely there isn't enough smaller ships when you compare 136ish BS n smaller options as opposed to 16 cap options.
Damn CCP for redesigning doomsday weapons to allow for more glass and less brick.
Damn players for listening to an FC and focusing fire.. thus smashing whatever the target is in a large fight. Surely more frigs and cruisers will survive this method!
Damn using logic, I'm just going to rage about something without putting a whole lot of thought into it and post it on already cluttered and congestated sigment of the forums instead of applying reasonable thought to paper, and fabricating a plan that I can post in the appropriate area of the forums.
Damn trolls.
---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
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![Cyrus Doul Cyrus Doul](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1325657362/portrait?size=64)
Cyrus Doul
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:17:00 -
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Just give me a cyno jammer and pos that can be anchored at a stargate. That would make things interesting. Dun need a deathstar.
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![Ultim8Evil Ultim8Evil](https://images.evetech.net/characters/195247353/portrait?size=64)
Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:45:00 -
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As an Amarr pilot, I would like to see moar AFs.
The Retribution doesn't count due to it having 1 mid-slot, and the Vengeance rocket bonus is pointless because everyone has to fit Autocannons to get decent DPS.
Also, Destroyers need a meaningful use beyond Ninja loot/salvaging (and carrying 74 Plexs ![Twisted Evil](/images/icon_twisted.gif) ) and Electronic Attack Frigates are woefully pointless.
TL;DR = I agree with the OP.
If you're reading this, you've read too far and now you're on my sig. Concentrate on what I said before you got to this bit. Ok? |
![xXxSatsujinxXx xXxSatsujinxXx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1081972251/portrait?size=64)
xXxSatsujinxXx
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Soi Mala ummmm Where is the info stating they're doing new cap ships?
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![Moonmonkey Moonmonkey](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1031597940/portrait?size=64)
Moonmonkey
Amarr Orange Clover
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Posted - 2010.09.15 15:15:00 -
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3 classes of sub cap carriers would be nice, limiting drones to ships racial damage type. Minmatar mini carriers can only deploy, warrior, valkyrie, berserker. Ships like that would liven things up some what, maybe change how warp jammers and bubbles work. Rather that being pointed till they ran out of cap or left the bubble, maybe a 30 sec timer before you could warp would get more people pvping.
Destroyer 10X light drones Battle cruiser 10X Medium drones Battleship 10X heavy drones
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![alexreborn alexreborn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/636617597/portrait?size=64)
alexreborn
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.09.15 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: alexreborn on 15/09/2010 16:31:17 Edited by: alexreborn on 15/09/2010 16:30:34 The best way to combat capital blobs and cap ships in general is make it possible for Command Ships, or other specific ship types to carry mobile cyno jammers in their high slots. It would have an area effect of say 100 km around the ship.
So, say a Vulture has the mod in its high slot "Cyno Jammer" you click to activate, and a magnetic field around the vulture spanning 100km will jam any CYNO field from being deployed.
Personally I think this is a great idea (partly because it's mine), and also because Electronic warfare makes sense. At least this brings more CSs to the battlefield and will eliminate said whine: "waaa everyone has a cap ship"
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![Nicholas Barker Nicholas Barker](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1659292077/portrait?size=64)
Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.15 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Moonmonkey Rather that being pointed till they ran out of cap or left the bubble, maybe a 30 sec timer before you could warp would get more people pvping.
Like a calibration time, sounds interesting.
Originally by: Moonmonkey
Destroyer 10X light drones Battle cruiser 10X Medium drones Battleship 10X heavy drones
no no no no.
Originally by: alexreborn
The best way to combat capital blobs and cap ships in general is make it possible for Command Ships, or other specific ship types to carry mobile cyno jammers in their high slots. It would have an area effect of say 100 km around the ship.
Jump to cyno, warp to cloaked guy sitting next to command ship. ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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