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LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.14 18:29:00 - [1] I'd like to share my view on this capitalistic/corrupt empire. Can't you all see that the thing thats slowing us at research and building is the hate towards eachother. If we all would have worked together we could already have met jove technology. But everytime we invent something it gets destroyed out of hatred jelousey greed for power. This empire is nothing but trouble its the big thing that is dividing us. it lets us see others as slavers, terrorists, rebels, capitalists. We must work together other than destroying our race, cause one time we will need eachother. New Eden is a big universe... and it is full of suprises... ~~~~end of Transmission~~~~ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Sabbott Amarr Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2010.09.14 18:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Sabbott on 14/09/2010 18:46:39 You speak with good insight of the universe, But I disagree, every empire has its own research towards getting the edge on the other, militarily, defensive, economic, Through this competing brings the best of each... The strong survive and the weak perish... It is the way our universe is meant to be... Just as some tree's stretch roots to reach unseen waters in the depths of dry ground and some don't, some grow strong and tall and reach above the canopy of darkness to the light above, and cast their darkness to the weak below, to wither and die, In nature it is the same, those with strength survive. So it is the same with our faith, Sani Sabik. though we acknowledge the corruption of the empires for they wish to seek our peacefull faiths demise.. -High Inquisitor Sabbott Join 'Sani Sabik' channel /// Book of Virtues
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.14 18:53:00 - [3] Edited by: LorenzoEDGE on 14/09/2010 18:55:01 I understand that but what if we worked together we would be ten times the stronger than we are now! We just need to be prepared for the worst to happen caus space is not as small as earth is. And if we keep slaughtering ourselves we are less prepared than if we unite and fight against the "invaders". We kept slaughtering ourselves on earth... maybe the explosion of the wormhole leading to new eden was a sign to start over again, instead of that we just follow our past and begin from the start with wiping our selves out Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Sabbott Amarr Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2010.09.14 19:03:00 - [4] It is an interesting proposition, Our faith will one day unite every race and empire that is strong enough to accept our truth, so that is what we are already working for. But also.. scripture once said there where even more ancient races including the jove who once lived in new eden's universe, our scientists find relics older than recorded history, what if we are in fact the invaders? just something to contemplate, as even our knowledge of our beginnings is very limited.. and why to this day we seek knowledge and truth. Join 'Sani Sabik' channel /// Book of Virtues
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.14 19:22:00 - [5] If we are the invaders the jove could have already teared us apart right on the spot. but they are probally amusing theirselves seeing this strategic show... they dont have to learn anything about us caus they have the force to clean all of new eden right now on the spot as we speak. they dont take action cause they know well exterminate ourselves in time. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Victor Michaelle Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:05:00 - [6] I don't get it, what exactly is it that you are proposing?
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.09.15 00:08:00 - [7] Let's start with something simple ... which Empire are you referring to? On that solid foundation, perhaps we could then endeavour to udnerstand what you are trying to say. á How many humans will CONCORD allow Master Kuvakei and his True Slaves to abduct? How many is too many? Too many have already been lost! 20M citizens on countless planets!
Eris Davion	Posted - 2010.09.15 03:00:00 - [8] Originally by: LorenzoEDGE Edited by: LorenzoEDGE on 14/09/2010 18:55:01 I understand that but what if we worked together we would be ten times the stronger than we are now! I suspect that Sabbot's ideology would preach that such universal cooperation would eliminate the motivation to grow stronger; and thus while we would have more resources with which to do so, we'd end up just letting them go to waste. I don't entirely disagree with him. But more than that, I see what you're asking for as impossible. Far too many people identify far too strongly with different goals and ideologies that are flat-out incompatible. As long as multiple incompatible ideologies exist, there will be conflict between their adherents. Originally by: LorenzoEDGE And if we keep slaughtering ourselves we are less prepared than if we unite and fight against the "invaders". We kept slaughtering ourselves on earth... maybe the explosion of the wormhole leading to new eden was a sign to start over again, instead of that we just follow our past and begin from the start with wiping our selves out Meh. If you're speaking of the Terrans, all that we know of them is myth and legend, derived from a few relics allegedly left behind by them. As to invaders, who would those be - if not just other versions of ourselves? And when they come, couldn't you just make this same plea at them?
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.15 08:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Ikarus Gaul Let's start with something simple ... which Empire are you referring to? On that solid foundation, perhaps we could then endeavour to udnerstand what you are trying to say. I am talking about all empires. And what im trying to say is that we should work together and not kill our kind. im not talking about any specific kind invaders they could even be unknown to us. Human mankind don't know everything, we maybe think that we have discovered all of new eden but as i said before space holds many suprises. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Victor Michaelle Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.15 13:07:00 - [10] All empires? As in including for example the Nation, the Cartel, the Jove, the Rogue Drones and the Sleepers?

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.15 13:18:00 - [11] I for one would like to echo LorenzoEDGE's call for the peoples of New Eden to co-operate with other. The sooner all nations are united under the benign rule of the Amarr, the sooner we can all get on with solving humanity's problems. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tiserra	Posted - 2010.09.15 14:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Tiserra on 15/09/2010 14:19:09 Originally by: Rodj Blake I for one would like to echo LorenzoEDGE's call for the peoples of New Eden to co-operate with other. The sooner all nations are united under the benign rule of the Amarr, the sooner we can all get on with solving humanity's problems. As usual it's the Amarr way which only leads down the endless path of despair heaped upon the less fortunate. Many a tale has been weaved around the tribal camp fires of the Matari when an EVE without the oppressive ways of the Amarr would allow the tribes to unite. "... they were at one delivered from the oppressive laws and arbitrary vexations which they had sustained under the reign of ....... and of her ......" You dont need me to fill in the blanks. I still have family somewhere in the Amarr empire.....
Che Biko Humanitarian Communists	Posted - 2010.09.15 17:24:00 - [13] Originally by: LorenzoEDGE [..]And if we keep slaughtering ourselves we are less prepared than if we unite and fight against the "invaders".[..] Hmm, I was going to say I share your view of a unified human race, but if you don't include other beings in that unity, then there's no point. Your just drawing a bigger circle around "your" group in that case. I advocate not drawing a circle at all. Peace, -ChT Biko
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.16 05:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Che Biko Originally by: LorenzoEDGE [..]And if we keep slaughtering ourselves we are less prepared than if we unite and fight against the "invaders".[..] Hmm, I was going to say I share your view of a unified human race, but if you don't include other beings in that unity, then there's no point. Your just drawing a bigger circle around "your" group in that case. I advocate not drawing a circle at all. Peace, -ChT Biko This is just an big example ofcourse... To change the universe you must begin with yourself and align with other races later when your own race is stable Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.16 05:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Tiserra Edited by: Tiserra on 15/09/2010 14:19:09 Originally by: Rodj Blake I for one would like to echo LorenzoEDGE's call for the peoples of New Eden to co-operate with other. The sooner all nations are united under the benign rule of the Amarr, the sooner we can all get on with solving humanity's problems. As usual it's the Amarr way which only leads down the endless path of despair heaped upon the less fortunate. Many a tale has been weaved around the tribal camp fires of the Matari when an EVE without the oppressive ways of the Amarr would allow the tribes to unite. "... they were at one delivered from the oppressive laws and arbitrary vexations which they had sustained under the reign of ....... and of her ......" You dont need me to fill in the blanks. I still have family somewhere in the Amarr empire..... People like you are keeping this war on! why call him amarr, why call minmatar why call her gallente and that guy over there caldari! it makes no scence, now we know you are hurt and i respect that but for once human mankind must try to throw their dominance and tolerance away for a better solution!! Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Glace Marras	Posted - 2010.09.16 06:07:00 - [16] Lorenzo, you show the idealism typical of Gallente and their cultural imperialism. Violence is normal and natural way of humanity. It has evolved because the guy who took up a stone and bashed the brains out of the guy with just fists got what he needed and thus prospered, got more offspring and passed those genes onwards. If at some point there is long enough such environment that doesn't encourage violence as a survival measure, or as a means to improve your lot, the tendency towards it will lessen and blend with other impulses. I do agree it's irrational in most cases, but that's just how people are, irrational, impulsive, prone to go with whoever promises them hope of getting more for themselves and their kin. Forcible tampering of such an fundamental part of our species will lead to grief as we still do not understand life and existance well enough. Look at the Jove who tried to weed out 'negative' emotions. They got the 'Jovian disease'. Look at Sanshas who ended up as stagnant uniform drones. No, it is in our interests as a species to let the circle of life plot our course and go along with it's flow.
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.16 08:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Glace Marras Lorenzo, you show the idealism typical of Gallente and their cultural imperialism. Violence is normal and natural way of humanity. It has evolved because the guy who took up a stone and bashed the brains out of the guy with just fists got what he needed and thus prospered, got more offspring and passed those genes onwards. If at some point there is long enough such environment that doesn't encourage violence as a survival measure, or as a means to improve your lot, the tendency towards it will lessen and blend with other impulses. I do agree it's irrational in most cases, but that's just how people are, irrational, impulsive, prone to go with whoever promises them hope of getting more for themselves and their kin. Forcible tampering of such an fundamental part of our species will lead to grief as we still do not understand life and existance well enough. Look at the Jove who tried to weed out 'negative' emotions. They got the 'Jovian disease'. Look at Sanshas who ended up as stagnant uniform drones. No, it is in our interests as a species to let the circle of life plot our course and go along with it's flow. I do not show the idealism of any empire empires stife for power. no matter what their ideals are! my ideal is unity not power. Maybe those human instincts were acceptable on earth. But in this universe there are other forces at work that we might not know of. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Glacialis Routa Amarr Cerbian	Posted - 2010.09.16 11:57:00 - [18] You constantly refer to Earth as if it is fact. It's a legend and a story. Just like how SoE believes the big wormhole in New Eden system leads to heaven. There is no proof of it existing. At least commonly accepted proof. There is very little knowledge of what was before the great collapse that split us all apart.
LorenzoEDGE Gallente Auxilia Enterprises THE R0NIN	Posted - 2010.09.16 17:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Glacialis Routa You constantly refer to Earth as if it is fact. It's a legend and a story. Just like how SoE believes the big wormhole in New Eden system leads to heaven. There is no proof of it existing. At least commonly accepted proof. There is very little knowledge of what was before the great collapse that split us all apart. That is not the point of this conversation my friend. it's about prepairing for the worst not if earth excisted or not. These are just mere examples. Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
Glacialis Routa Amarr Cerbian	Posted - 2010.09.16 19:40:00 - [20] As a more secular member of the Empire, I can't but say that such views as you're pointing out are, while interesting, without basis in reality, akin to the talk about devils and the Adversary in the scriptures. There are more pressing concerns like the Sansha attacks of late and their possible link to Jovians. So far their incursions have easily been beaten back by a mere handful of capsuleers compared to the amount of capsuleers in the empires. So far, the Jovians have not expressed open hostility except when attacked, and I do not fear that they will do so now (though it is a remote possibility, in which case everything is moot since we can't beat them anyway). This is more likely to be some toying or testing on their part. Humanity will continue fighting amongst itself because we're imperfect. It's an interesting topic around a bar-table to talk about what could be and what it would be like, and what the problems in modern system are, but in a galaxy so large and with so many humans in it, things will not change if one or even a million go and say that we should do something differently. Especially when it's been tried since ages lost. You are more than welcome to try, of course, since it is unlikely to create havoc, but keep in mind that it's a cynical horde out there, and I'm far from being the most cynic in the lot.

Syn Callibri 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.09.16 19:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 16/09/2010 19:58:47 Conflict...is nothing more than an individual or group of organism's struggle to ensure thier survival in a dangerous environment. Cold and clinical yes, but no less correct. Syn Callibri Director Fleet Ops, 21st Eridani Lighthorse Keeper of the Blood Pact
Eris Davion	Posted - 2010.09.17 01:46:00 - [22] Originally by: LorenzoEDGE Edited by: LorenzoEDGE on 16/09/2010 05:29:04 Originally by: Tiserra Edited by: Tiserra on 15/09/2010 14:19:09 Originally by: Rodj Blake I for one would like to echo LorenzoEDGE's call for the peoples of New Eden to co-operate with other. The sooner all nations are united under the benign rule of the Amarr, the sooner we can all get on with solving humanity's problems. As usual it's the Amarr way which only leads down the endless path of despair heaped upon the less fortunate. Many a tale has been weaved around the tribal camp fires of the Matari when an EVE without the oppressive ways of the Amarr would allow the tribes to unite. "... they were at one delivered from the oppressive laws and arbitrary vexations which they had sustained under the reign of ....... and of her ......" You dont need me to fill in the blanks. I still have family somewhere in the Amarr empire..... People like you are keeping this chaos on! why call him amarr, why call him minmatar why call her gallente and that person over there caldari! Because that is what they call themselves. :P Perhaps you meant "why distinguish between Amarran, Matari, Gallente and Caldari?" And the answer to that, is because there exist general ideological distinctions. Amarran is a race, but it is also a culture; one defined by (among other things) their faith in a God who calls them to subjugate the universe under His rule, as delivered through His chosen prophets. Similar can be said of the Minmatar, Gallente and Caldari; both racial groups, a distinction that is arguably trivial, and cultural groups. And it is the cultural differences that divide us. To unite, some or all of us would have to forfeit a great deal of our cultural distinctions; the ideas, beliefs and ways of living that make us who we are. Would you, Lorenzo, accept living as a slave under the Amarran church in pursuit of your galactic unification? Perhaps you would.


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