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Jojo Jackson Dead Red Eye 156	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:15:00 - [1] - Quote Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions? Punisher > Vengeance / Retribution for example? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Pipa Porto 569	Posted - 2012.07.30 02:02:00 - [2] - Quote They'll probably get their own rebalance. Who knows what that'll look like. I got my EAF training. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Jack Miton Bite Me inc Elysian Empire 420	Posted - 2012.07.30 02:53:00 - [3] - Quote This is exactly the problem with partial rebalancing. you fix 1 thing, make 3 others obsolete until you fix them too. always better to take more time and do everything at once. that said, T1 frigs are never going to be better than T2s.
Pipa Porto 570	Posted - 2012.07.30 03:00:00 - [4] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: This is exactly the problem with partial rebalancing. you fix 1 thing, make 3 others obsolete until you fix them too. always better to take more time and do everything at once. that said, T1 frigs are never going to be better than T2s. Trying to do everything at once only works if your Devs are smarter than the combined intelligence of all EVE players. Doing it a bit at a time allows them to gauge the effects of the changes and learn to balance better as they go along. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 209	Posted - 2012.07.30 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote Not really seeing a problem here ... every race has a usable T1 frig now ... previously it was just the 1. Cant wait for the upcoming whole t1 frig lineup tuning. But even with buffs ... none of the "new" t1 frigs makes any of the T2 ships look bad. So wheres the problem ?
Alara IonStorm 2763	Posted - 2012.07.30 04:48:00 - [6] - Quote Cedo Nulli wrote: But even with buffs ... none of the "new" t1 frigs makes any of the T2 ships look bad. So wheres the problem ? No one doubts the High HP / Resists and Heavy DPS of T2 Assault Frigates makes them better in a straight out slug out but the new T1 Frigates are significantly faster then their T2 counterparts. Merlin 388m/s Base / 2814m/s MWD Harpy 330m/s Base / 2199m/s MWD Merlin 3.4 s/align Harpy 3.9 s/align Incursus 425m/s Base / 3033m/s MWD Enyo 360m/s Base / 2380m/s MWD Incursus 3 s/align Enyo 4.3 s/align When they buffed the Frigates they buffed their speed and agility significantly. They are buffing Attack Frigate and probably every other Frigates speed as well but they did not adjust Assault Frigate speed at all. They however can't just buff them so significantly when they haven't finished live tests with the T1 models yet. A Harpy moving 2800m/s might have consequences for say Faction or Pirate Ship Balance leading to a High end Frigate market crash. What is more it could lead to problems balancing the other T1 Frigates against them since they received significant Combat Buffs before an all encompassing T1 Frigate Speed Buff. They will probably require further balance.
Jude Lloyd Heretic Army Heretic Nation 385	Posted - 2012.07.30 08:14:00 - [7] - Quote All T1/T2/and Faction Frigs are great and have their uses. Many are great for solo PVP, others are good for ATX, and others are good for small gang PVP. But... they are all good. Balance or no balance... pilot skill is a bigger factor. You can kill any frigate with any frigate. Except maybe the Bantum... that one is a ***** to fit. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
Alara IonStorm 2766	Posted - 2012.07.30 08:24:00 - [8] - Quote Jude Lloyd wrote: Except maybe the Bantum... that one is a ***** to fit. They are making that a ranged fit Rail Frigate with Naga like bonuses last I heard.
Jude Lloyd Heretic Army Heretic Nation 385	Posted - 2012.07.30 08:25:00 - [9] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Jude Lloyd wrote: Except maybe the Bantum... that one is a ***** to fit. They are making that a ranged fit Rail Frigate with Naga like bonuses last I heard. Good, I'll start soloing in it then. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
smokess Selective Hearing Nearly Feared 17	Posted - 2012.07.30 08:59:00 - [10] - Quote Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda.

Bent Barrel 54	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:00:00 - [11] - Quote do they need it ? I prefer the ishkur/enyo for exploration to the new incursus .... much more staying power and DPS.
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 171	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:15:00 - [12] - Quote T1 frigs have ALWAYS been faster than there T2 variations. Also T1 frigs will never ever ever be as powerful as an AF/Ceptor. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
Niart Gunn TURN LEFT 0	Posted - 2012.07.30 17:38:00 - [13] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: T1 frigs have ALWAYS been faster than there T2 variations. Also T1 frigs will never ever ever be as powerful as an AF/Ceptor. Sorry to disappoint you, but the new Incursus and Merlin will shred any interceptor anyday if flown correctly, including the Taranis. They can even go toe to toe with some AFs, like the Jaguar.
Jude Lloyd Heretic Army Heretic Nation 388	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:30:00 - [14] - Quote Niart Gunn wrote: Gibbo3771 wrote: T1 frigs have ALWAYS been faster than there T2 variations. Also T1 frigs will never ever ever be as powerful as an AF/Ceptor. Sorry to disappoint you, but the new Incursus and Merlin will shred any interceptor anyday if flown correctly, including the Taranis. They can even go toe to toe with some AFs, like the Jaguar. Ill say it again... its more pilot skill than anything. I can kill a ceptor with a t1 frig, I can kill a t1 frig with a ceptor. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1685	Posted - 2012.07.30 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote Niart Gunn wrote: Gibbo3771 wrote: T1 frigs have ALWAYS been faster than there T2 variations. Also T1 frigs will never ever ever be as powerful as an AF/Ceptor. Sorry to disappoint you, but the new Incursus and Merlin will shred any interceptor anyday if flown correctly, including the Taranis. They can even go toe to toe with some AFs, like the Jaguar. lulz. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Jojo Jackson Dead Red Eye 156	Posted - 2012.07.31 03:09:00 - [16] - Quote I belive some of you got me wrong. I NEVER had any fear T1 Frigs might be more powerfull then T2! I just like to know, if CCP plan to convert the new bonis OR if they just start to handle T2 ships independend from T1 (which would be absolut fine for me!). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Traejun DiSanctis School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.07.31 06:22:00 - [17] - Quote Niart Gunn wrote: Gibbo3771 wrote: T1 frigs have ALWAYS been faster than there T2 variations. Also T1 frigs will never ever ever be as powerful as an AF/Ceptor. if flown correctly You could have stopped right there...
Caitlyn Tufy Refuge of Hope Lemniskate 20	Posted - 2012.07.31 07:10:00 - [18] - Quote Jojo Jackson wrote: I belive some of you got me wrong. I NEVER had any fear T1 Frigs might be more powerfull then T2! I just like to know, if CCP plan to convert the new bonis OR if they just start to handle T2 ships independend from T1 (which would be absolut fine for me!). I for one would prefer at least the Blarpy to stay as it is. Both range bonuses combined = optimal Blaster range outside any but the largest officer smartbombs, which in my book is cool as hell :D I do have to admit, though, the new (is it still considered new? :p) Merlin is awesome for its cost. :D
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found 57	Posted - 2012.07.31 12:31:00 - [19] - Quote smokess wrote: Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda. QFT Not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani... As I understand it the latin root for bonus would be bonum which should pluralise as bona (in the same way as media is the plural of medium) and so boni would be the wrong suffix anyway...
The VC's Spack Force 5 8	Posted - 2012.07.31 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote Jojo Jackson wrote: Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions....? Who are these Boni's that you speak of? Are they the ship's crews? As far as the bonuses go I think the T1 frig buffs are fair. Having better DPS makes them worth using. Just look at how many were in this year's Alliance Tournament. Even Punishers. The benefit of T2 frigs is in their tank and extra bonuses like tracking and range. T1 frigs will still be squishy but at least now they can be useful while they last. and in latin. Tenus bona vado ego reputo T1 terror lenimentus es facilis. Per melior DPS planto lemma dignitas usura. Lustus inviso quot erant huic annus Foedus conflictus. Vel Punisher. Beneficium of T2 terror est in suum loricatus quod susicivus bona amo semita quod loginquitas. T1 terror mos etiam exsisto mollis tamen utique iam exsisto utilis dum permaneo.

Large Collidable Object morons. 1800	Posted - 2012.07.31 23:03:00 - [21] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: smokess wrote: Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda. QFT Not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani... Actually, the latin plural of 'anus' is 'anus' (fourth declension) anyway. Edit: on topic - AFs are okay - cov ops-skill dependent ships have their specific niche uses - combat oriented ceptors are in need of a little love after the T1 frig rebalance - same goes for Ewar frigs. You know... morons.
The VC's Spack Force 5 8	Posted - 2012.07.31 23:10:00 - [22] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: Actually, the latin plural of 'anus' is 'anus' (fourth declension) anyway. As is 'Incursus' I believe. 1 Incursus... 2 Incursus.... 10 Incursus etc
Pipa Porto 591	Posted - 2012.07.31 23:12:00 - [23] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: smokess wrote: Unnecessary and incorrect latinisation makes me a sad panda. QFT Not only would the normal english plural be bonuses in the same way as we don't refer to people's ani... As I understand it the latin root for bonus would be bonum which should pluralise as bona (in the same way as media is the plural of medium) and so boni would be the wrong suffix anyway... Bonus, -a, -um is an adjective. So it's plural form depends on the gender. If it's modifying a masculine or mixed group in the Nominative case (losely, the subject of the sentence), it would be Boni. A feminine group, it would be Bonae. A Nuter group, Bona. I've forgotten how to use adjectives as nouns in Latin. Was never very good at it. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1217	Posted - 2012.07.31 23:14:00 - [24] - Quote the same thing that happened to interdictors when destroyers got a boost ..ohwait My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny
Jojo Jackson Dead Red Eye 156	Posted - 2012.08.04 00:36:00 - [25] - Quote The VC's wrote: Jojo Jackson wrote: Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions....? Who are these Boni's that you speak of? Are they the ship's crews? You never had Latin as language do you? Positiv Plural Nominativ maskulinum: boni feminunum: bonae neutrum: bona one bonus several boni (or bona if you take it as neutrum (it)) So MY mistake was to see it as maskulin like in German (-i) ... but for you english guys it's neutrum (-a) ... ( which feels horible wrong somehow ... I still prefare the -i ). "bonuses" is ALLWAYS wrong and if you got it from wiki ... ignore wiki ... it's just WRONG and not existent! And no, I don't care about bubblegum US slangs ;). And I mean the new Tech 1 frigat-bona like 5% damage + 5% resitences from the Punisher. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
The VC's Spack Force 5 8	Posted - 2012.08.04 02:41:00 - [26] - Quote Bona would be correct, as would bonum. If we were speaking in Latin. The English language words 'bonus' and 'bonuses' are derived from Latin. I had Latin in church Edit. I sound like a knob here, don't I? Apologies.
Cpt Branko Zawa's Fan Club 45	Posted - 2012.08.04 11:20:00 - [27] - Quote Bonuses. If it bothers you, ask for a Latin board, since this isn't it.
Je720 Mentally Unstable Enterprises Drunk 'n' Disorderly 1	Posted - 2012.08.10 04:12:00 - [28] - Quote They do need a few tweaks here and there for consistency. e.g. The Atron now has 3 turrets but the Ares still only has 2 turrets when now it should really have 3. Also it would be nice if the rep bonus of the Incursus was carried to the assault frig versions (or at least one of them like Caldari have). Having a turret optimal bonus on both the Enyo and the Ishkur seems a bit silly.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 98	Posted - 2012.08.10 09:49:00 - [29] - Quote I think it is fine that CCP reworkes it ship by ship. This forces people to rethink their fafourite ships and fittings from time to time and adds some turbulences to the market. I just hope they will look at every ship over the time (especially the Tier 1 Faction Cruisers) and I also hope they will not remove all split weapon ships. Current plans for Typhoon make me sad.
VanNostrum Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.08.10 18:41:00 - [30] - Quote Jojo Jackson wrote: The VC's wrote: Jojo Jackson wrote: Will the new bonis be aplied to T2 versions....? Who are these Boni's that you speak of? Are they the ship's crews? You never had Latin as language do you? Positiv Plural Nominativ maskulinum: boni feminunum: bonae neutrum: bona one bonus several boni (or bona if you take it as neutrum (it)) So MY mistake was to see it as maskulin like in German (-i) ... but for you english guys it's neutrum (-a) ... ( which feels horible wrong somehow ... I still prefare the -i ). "bonuses" is ALLWAYS wrong and if you got it from wiki ... ignore wiki ... it's just WRONG and not existent! And no, I don't care about bubblegum US slangs ;). And I mean the new Tech 1 frigat-bona like 5% damage + 5% resitences from the Punisher. even if plural was boni, OP said bonis



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