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CCP Zymurgist
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:02:00 -
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This summer, devastating flooding caused by monsoon rains destroyed large swathes of Pakistan, resulting in millions of homeless and countless casualties. CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.
Zymurgist
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:13:00 -
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Shame on you CCP.
Why this and not some worthy cause?
I am disappoint.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:35:00 -
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Good initiative.
You should have something like this running ona permanent basis for say Childs Play.
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Oricalchum
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:36:00 -
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Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida
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Zeighy
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:38:00 -
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Interesting time for the guy who stole 850B ISK to show he has a heart buy donating a few PLEX using his stolen ISK... lol
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.15 17:53:00 -
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Removed a post questioning forum moderation. If you have any issues or questions regarding a moderator's actions please submit a petition.
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
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DeftCrow Redriver
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:32:00 -
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IBC. So... what about the PLEXes destroyed since July 13?
Are there any plans to donate them as well?
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RutilusUnus
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:43:00 -
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If CCP were to donate the money from destroyed plexs to charity, I honestly believe that it would look extremely good. A gaming company that commits to giving in that manner to a charity is something that would garner much positive publicity.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:46:00 -
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Good initiative.
However this should have been done WEEKS ago.
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IntegerOverflow
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:49:00 -
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Plex for good...
First I thought this project is overrated and not at all a true charity effort.
Then.. considering ... CCP doesn't need to do it...
Eventually it's a great move on behalf of CCP.
Congrats and move on with this charity stuff!
Ingame and out of game profits.
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Hya Bam
Minmatar
The Real OC
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
I disagree. Scamming other players within the context of the game is perfectly fine, and sanctioned by CCP.
However, scamming by using a real world event like this is not within the context of the game, and therefore not sanctioned. Also, if you scammed someone who was intending to donate to the fund, you are not stealing from another player; you are not even stealing from CCP; you are stealing from a charity. I think that that classifies as morally reprehensible.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:55:00 -
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let's do one for fisher house. veterans/armistice day isn't far away.
http://www.fisherhouse.org/
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.15 19:22:00 -
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I assume you did make sure first that they would accept the donation.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Indeterminacy
let's do one for fisher house. veterans/armistice day isn't far away.
http://www.fisherhouse.org/
please don't compare american killing machines to flood victims of pakistan thx
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Firartix
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Posted - 2010.09.15 20:09:00 -
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All this sounds like a really good idea....
I kindda think it's a shame to go through all that credit card and PLEX stuff as it does fees and stuff for CCP (which could be used to either improve the game, or just simply as donation) - but it's probably a real good idea as it'll make idiot young players without credit card like me donate stuff.
I really wanted to hit the 1B wallet (not like it's going to be happening any time soon since i haven't been really active lately) but i guess i better donate a PLEX :s
I wondder if/howmany big players with plenty money and plexes will donate :P
Finally, i seriously think CCP Devs should update the wiki before linking a devblog to it, since the wiki was still talking about haiti (especially since the modifications were rather small). I'm going to modify it anyway :D
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DrysonBennington
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Posted - 2010.09.15 22:52:00 -
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Very good idea, helping those in need.
Here is another idea the Nokero Solar Light Bulb. The NSLB (T3 version of the regular light bulb) is solar powered and last's upto four hours before needing to be recharged. What a perfect way to bring the light of hope back to Pakistan by providing a light bulb that can be used as flashlight as well as a housing light to aid families in keeping the cold and dark hand of the night and that comes with it out of their families homes.
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Bor Navkjid
Minmatar
Universal Ventures Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Bor Navkjid on 15/09/2010 23:03:37
Just saying, in the FAQ "I'm still confused" section you misplaced the Pakistan flood with the Haitian earthquake.. unless that was a joke and I'm being dull, in which case I'll go hide now.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.09.15 23:19:00 -
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I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.
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Radgette
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Posted - 2010.09.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
there is 1 simple reason for this
if you scam someone just using plex for game time or destroy it CCPloses nothing OR makes money for nothing
now if you scam someone going to donate that plex CCP loses the tax rightoff they have planned by using that as a donation so your scam directly affects ccp's profit margin this year
scamming others = ok , scamming CCP's profits gets you banned :p
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.16 00:15:00 -
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FWIW, I donated to the Red Cross for this cause about a month ago.
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Unawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.16 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
It's not at all the same, or hypocritical. Once you buy a plex and put it in game, you're agreeing to the rules of the shared virtual world/game. However, there are rare moments when we are given the opportunity to have the virtual world touch the real world, and affect actions there in a serious way. And in the real world, people have not agreed to the same things that we agree to allow people within EVE to do.
And in this case, scamming a plex off someone for this case is scamming off someone trying to give real world money to a charitable organisation. It's one of the rare moments when virtual currency in EVE can be converted to real world currency. If you think that it's morally wrong to deceive people out of giving money to a charity for a good cause, then you should see this as morally wrong. It's not one of the things that's accepted as a part of this virtual world, or in the real world.
And in fact, CCP is the one that decides what kinds of actions within the EVE universe are punishable or not. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have different rules for themselves over the rest of us - it is, after all, their world. Of course, certain decisions they make might make the game eminently less appealing (eg, make pirating a bannable activity), but it's still their decision to make, nothing strange about that.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2010.09.16 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bomberlocks
FWIW, I donated to the Red Cross for this cause about a month ago.
to be honest I would rather donate directly than through some games clunky redemption mechanism or "Buy this and we will give some/all of the proceeds to this organisation" thoes "offers" always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
However this all may be a moot point because the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies has already said they cannot accept a donation from Vivendi due to Muhammad Rafi Uthmani (hes bascialy the head of the Palistani Sunni religion) declaring computer games created by thoes who dont follow Islam with fictional religions to be bascialy haram unless the game clearly shows such religions to be Both malignant and unclean.
more accuratly he said:
خبيث ونجس
thats why I asked if they knew that they would accept a donation from them in advance.
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Caldari
Paladin Order
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Posted - 2010.09.16 04:36:00 -
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From the FAQ page:
Quote:
Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for helping the victims of the quake in Haiti to scam other players.
I believe it should be
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Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses (this initiative for helping the victims of the quake in Haiti) to scam other players.
Not
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Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for (helping the victims of the quake in Haiti to scam other players).
As I read it at first. 
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Posted - 2010.09.16 05:14:00 -
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I am a Pakistani living in Pakistan and having observed the devastation caused by the flooding I would like to say Thanks to CCP and all my fellow Capsuleers who already have or in future will use this initiative to help the people devastated by floods in my country.
Thank You .
p.s. lets not overshadow a good initiative by talking about CCP policies regarding scamming.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:54:00 -
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Hmm, so CCP creates additional demand for PLEXs by allowing them to be redeemed for real life donations. Demand curve shifts to the right. New equilibrium price is higher than the old, generating a larger quantity supplied of PLEXs by ppl that put RL currency into eve.
Net result, more RL currency investment into eve via GTC/PLEXs, not all of which will end up being redeemed for a charitable event = moar $$$ for CCP. Second year in a row now too. I expect this will become an annual staple for keeping PLEX demand high, along with PLEX redemption for fanfest events.
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foksieloy
Minmatar
Universal Army
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.16 08:32:00 -
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This is only for people who cannot donate directly to the cause (aka have no real jobs, or earn more isk than $$$).
Those of you who can (and want to) donate directly, do so. Why go over plex?
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BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.16 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone
I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.
The amount of PLEX donated to Haiti can be found here and if you read the associated comment thread you will see the calculalations for the dollar value.
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Sun Zhaou
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.16 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: RutilusUnus
If CCP were to donate the money from destroyed plexs to charity, I honestly believe that it would look extremely good. A gaming company that commits to giving in that manner to a charity is something that would garner much positive publicity.
This.
Currently CCP is taking huge amount of cash for all the destroyed PLEXes. Really profitable for not giving any service.
Is there any reliable source on how many PLEXes were destroyed so far?
Give that to the charity and it would show you are not only collecting player offers, but you as a company also give something.
On a secondary thought... destroyed PLEXes were also paid by gamers.
So where is your contribution CCP? Or are you just collecting money and creating good publicity paid from someone else wallet?
Nope m8. I won't run it through you so you can get tax allowances for nothing.
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Riley Martin
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Posted - 2010.09.16 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida
I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.16 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Martin
Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida
I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?
I'm sure it probably had something to do with Pakistan providing support and sanctuary for Afghani terrorists.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Celia Therone
I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.
The amount of PLEX donated to Haiti can be found here and if you read the associated comment thread you will see the calculalations for the dollar value.
No, it can't. That's the amount of plex donated before CCP extended the donation deadline. There was no update (that I'm aware of) as to what the final amount donated was, what dollar amount CCP donated or even if they got around to donating it at all. Is that really too much to ask?
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localhorse
New Eden Battalion
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Posted - 2010.09.16 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver
IBC. So... what about the PLEXes destroyed since July 13?
Are there any plans to donate them as well?
Awesome idea. I'd love to hear CCP comment on this.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Martin
Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida
I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?
No, it's about humanitarian aid.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:02:00 -
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IMO CCP should just donate to Pakistan if they want to donate to pakistan and leave the players out of it.
I already donated actual money through the red cross so, no, I'm not being a cruel sadistic person. I just think that if CCP wants to make like they're donating to a cause they should actually...y'know..... donate... not milk players for more money.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
IMO CCP should just donate to Pakistan if they want to donate to pakistan and leave the players out of it.
I already donated actual money through the red cross so, no, I'm not being a cruel sadistic person. I just think that if CCP wants to make like they're donating to a cause they should actually...y'know..... donate... not milk players for more money.
Can you please justify your statement that CCP is milking the player base on this? Seems to me that the net income for CCP is actually negative, considering there are handling costs on those PLEX. In fact, it seems to me that what CCP is actually doing is facilitating the player base's desire to help someone else in need.
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Monkey M3n
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.09.17 07:12:00 -
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great idea!
But i dont support terrorism so **** u
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Stealthy
Imperial Guardians
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Posted - 2010.09.18 08:08:00 -
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kudos for PLEX for Pakistan CCP
but why not take direct cash donations from players as well
I dont use PLEX but would donate some cash if a mechanism was avaliable
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Syekuda
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 14:33:00 -
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I dont believe in giving cash when someone needs help financially. Given items or "stuff" they need is better in my opinion. There's less chance of corruption if we give those needed items. Think of red cross for example or sending nurses and doctors instead.
I could give other examples but you guys get the idea.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: General Domination on 19/09/2010 10:53:31
Dear CCP,
thank you for that offer, but it would be great if we can also pay with ISK, for people who canŠt pay a it, because they donŠt have enough in Game Money. Let us spend and you buy the PLEX for it, that would increase the amount and doesnŠt reduce you profit because the PLEX are already payed.
Further its a shame that some players complaining about that idea.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: CubeHamster on 19/09/2010 19:44:52
Its a bit silly and I'm probably just seeing ghosts and I have no idea on what scale people are donating PLEX's. And CCP probably means well.
But it bugs me that CCP could benefit from this form of charity. Donations to charity are tax deductable.
So to sum it up:
You give money to CCP.
CCP donates money to Pakistan.
CCP reports donation to tax collectors office.
CCP pays less tax.
But then again I wonder how many people are donating there PLEX's. And if CCP would be evil enough to profit in such a way. I know I would. 
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Unawa
Caldari
Miskatonic The wee free men
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Posted - 2010.09.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Syekuda
I dont believe in giving cash when someone needs help financially. Given items or "stuff" they need is better in my opinion. There's less chance of corruption if we give those needed items. Think of red cross for example or sending nurses and doctors instead.
I could give other examples but you guys get the idea.
Why do you think this isn't what's happening? I've been assuming that the money goes to aid organisations, which then get "stuff" to give to those in need. I'll admit, I haven't read CCP's FAQ on the topic.
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Nangil
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:51:00 -
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i think its smells bad. ahmed-pasha-assalamshvarbarmar will take all money and no real help for people. 
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Creiger Rykov
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Posted - 2010.09.21 21:39:00 -
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Not to be a killjoy, but technically isn't this a mass EULA violation in every way? I mean yea, good cause, but it's still taking game currency and converting it to real-world currency, regardless of the intent.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.09.22 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.
No, thank you.
You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?
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MissingNo1
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:14:00 -
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tbh, if the UK was to flood (and it has done, and we've coped) would pakistan give to us?........hmmmmm
i too politly decline.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Danatious on 22/09/2010 19:19:24
Originally by: Creiger Rykov
Not to be a killjoy, but technically isn't this a mass EULA violation in every way? I mean yea, good cause, but it's still taking game currency and converting it to real-world currency, regardless of the intent.
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Grandmother Sprinkles
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Posted - 2010.09.23 01:53:00 -
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scamming others = ok , scamming CCP's profits gets you banned :p
An Idea: How about donating CASH to the latest cause?
IF you feel the need to donate a PLEX -or- ISKies the most virtuous course would be to donate those items to me so I can better care for my wards, the beloved Space Orphans.
My most gracious thanks;
G.S.
P.S. This is not a scam.
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Posted - 2010.09.23 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.
No, thank you.
You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?
You may be interested in reading this dev blog by GM Grimmi talking about everything we received for Haiti. 100% of that was donated.
Oh just found this news article that was posted at the end of the PLEX for Haiti drive talking about the final donation count: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3733&tid=1
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Posted - 2010.09.24 01:08:00 -
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My biggest problem with this is that the in-game market response to the reduction of supply has raised plex prices as much as 50m Isk in some regions. So basically, everyone buying plex atm is paying out for this, even the ones who don't want to or don't feel that they can afford it!
We can skip all the PR about plex being some kind of virtual game thing ... it should be clear to everyone that plex are a representation of real world currency, just like an I.O.U. or gift certificate. Seeing that plex represent real money, CCP needs to be more careful before launching initatives like this one that blatently manipulate the market values.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.09.24 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.
No, thank you.
You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?
You may be interested in reading this dev blog by GM Grimmi talking about everything we received for Haiti. 100% of that was donated.
Oh just found this news article that was posted at the end of the PLEX for Haiti drive talking about the final donation count: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3733&tid=1
No, I am not interested in rereading old and incomplete stuff over and over again.
I did phone CCP to get some real data and I was about to phone the red cross to have the data confirmed. It felt like in Jita local.
It's a shame you're pointing at incomplete data once again. You had enough time to update the FAQ after my call/email.
a) There was no way to check whether for every single PLEX donation made any money actually got sent! Transparency is not about CCP juggling with numbers to finally paint some number somewhere. Transparency is about _transparency_. You didn't give me any opportunity to check whether you did send any money for the PLEX donated by myself, a simple list of donors could have achieved that.
b) There was no total amount in EUR or whatever currency given in the texts you're pointing to! That's why you stick to the "100% of that" phrase. At least be honest to yourself!
c) There's was no time given when the transferral was made! You did prolong the PLEX for Haiti timespan, didn't you? In a situation where urgent help was required!?!
Enough of this. I donated some money by other means to help suffering Pakistan people and my respect goes to anyone helping others in need without looking for some cheap facebook publicity...
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Posted - 2010.09.24 07:42:00 -
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Did you guys do one for New Orleans after Katrina?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.09.24 16:46:00 -
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I thought the point of making PLEX mobile, was to further emphasize that they are an item like any other. Instead of people associating PLEX with cold hard cash.
So where is the "Please donate T2 medium pulse laser ammo" effort?
Seems to me that asking for PLEX, still shows they're worth cash compared to anything else.
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TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:33:00 -
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I donated to the Tsunami event (in RL currency - PLEX weren't invented at the time) and I donated to the "PLEX for Haiti event". I will donate to "PLEX for Pakistan" as well, but I'm missing one crucial piece of information:
How much cash will CCP donate for every PLEX I donate? (this info is missing from the FAQ and all other pages I checked.)
Please publish this information ASAP as I'm sure it will help promote further donations to those in need.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.28 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Martin
Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida
I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?
Exactly.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.29 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
This poster does have a point, though. CCP condones and encourages (in fact, advertises) behaviors such as dishonesty and revenge. CCP provides incentive and a relatively open environment for its customers to engage in these morally questionable activities. CCP also provides a environment where people can build trust, camaraderie and life long relationships in and out of game.
It is simply ironic that CCP, the company that highly promotes a product based upon moral ambiguity, takes the moral high-ground with their in-game charity initiative.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.29 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.
^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.
Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
This poster does have a point, though. CCP condones and encourages (in fact, advertises) behaviors such as dishonesty and revenge. CCP provides incentive and a relatively open environment for its customers to engage in these morally questionable activities. CCP also provides a environment where people can build trust, camaraderie and life long relationships in and out of game.
It is simply ironic that CCP, the company that highly promotes a product based upon moral ambiguity, takes the moral high-ground with their in-game charity initiative.
Thats because its a charity initiative and not something ingame. If it was for an ingame cause i could garauntee you CCP wouldnt give two ****s if someone was scamming.
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Hydroz0rz
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:38:00 -
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I as a British man born and bred, Couldn't care less about what's happened.
Yes I feel sorry for them but I don't much care but this is because all we do as a country is GIVE money to other countries when we as a country need every penny right now to get us out of the deep ****e we're in due to greedy British bankers.
There are thousands of immigrants pouring in every day just to claim our benefits and live of us.
Why not go to Europe? Go some place else not here.
Think of it this way, If the UK or America or Iceland NEEDED help, would pakistan rush to your aid?
Thats a pretty huge billboard sized NO
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Bullet Silver
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Bullet Silver on 30/09/2010 13:51:36
may god strike me and hurt me hard, but i dont see why i should help a country who burn my flag and want to kill my people just for some cartoons.. as soon they are in big need, then we the western/european people are good people, and when the flood is over then what?, do they want to kill us again... i say no help no way...
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Fulmar Muse
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:25:00 -
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erm, who are they using to help transit the money?
the IMF?
one of the "good" charities
The pakistani govt
A donkey and cart
A pilot laughing as he throw bundles out the window
Who is the middle man, the middle man is the "meddling man"... CCP this is tosh mate, u need a grass roots contact. eg: a poor lady you speak to on the phone,or a swami, or whatever the muslim equivelent is, this would be my biggest gripe if I was to setup a charity fund, don't put it anywhere near a bank.
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gamlegamle
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:49:00 -
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May the people of Pakistan truly be helped by this initiative.
The corruption and complexities of the role of charity in this world are so unbelievably vast that with all due respect I believe no one can say for sure what is right and what is wrong when it comes to charity.
I will not be an arm chair revolutionary in this.
I say again.
May the people of Pakistan truly be helped by this initiative.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.02 13:23:00 -
[62]
Originally by: foksieloy
This is only for people who cannot donate directly to the cause (aka have no real jobs, or earn more isk than $$$).
Those of you who can (and want to) donate directly, do so. Why go over plex?
I disagree. I have a job and can very well afford to donate RL currency, but I think this is a great way of helping out those in need while at the same time promoting Eve. I just wish CCP would be more open about the whole process instead of (unintentionally?) hiding key numbers.
This is the last weekend for this campaign (which closes on October 6). Let's make the most of it.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.07 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Stealthy
kudos for PLEX for Pakistan CCP
but why not take direct cash donations from players as well
I dont use PLEX but would donate some cash if a mechanism was avaliable
You could probably donate to the red cross directly through their web portal.
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Gary Bussey
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.10.09 17:35:00 -
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No. They are killing my friends right now, why should I give them anything.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.10 14:35:00 -
[65]
So any news on this one, rather than user side guessing?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1396976
Did any money get sent yet?
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