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whiskey101
Gallente Dark Region
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Title really says it. Since Incarna has nothing to do with shooting each others space ships, I'm wondering if it will be more like Dust 514, but just more directly ported to Eve.
You sir, are a complete idiot.
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Nero Constantine
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Constantine on 22/09/2010 02:38:30 -Frankly the Idea that an expansion should require switching clients or being cause to add to the existing fee to play Eve is illogical and stupid. This point has been made clear, so the answer to this thread is; "No, Incarna will not change or be a fee, separate or otherwise."
-If anything else is to be disused regarding Incarna then yes there are a few points to be covered;
*Some of the community refers to Incarna as an unnecessary expansion and that lag and other issues are more important. This is only partly true, Lag does need to be fixed but there is no magic switch that CCP can flip (how many CCP devs does it take to flip a switch?). Have you considered that perhaps the current network tech available to businesses is just not capable of handling tens of thousands of players on one server unless it had one IBM Blade per say...Planet, moon, and station? Even then not very likely.
*Incarna will make a hassle out of making a simple contract or market transaction. False, One of the first times CCP said anything about Incarna they said that If you don't want to get out of your ship to do something you don't have to, you can access all your current station features as you always have. Getting to walk around simply adds the ability to do stuff you couldn't before like corp or alliance meetings face to face, advertising products you or your corp have made. (modules, ships, BPs, etc...) even more that we'll have to see when it arrives.
*It will just turn into another game jumping around T-bagging AFK avatars in stupid costumes. This concern was directly addressed at CCP's conventions stating that this will be avoided as much as possible. (I don't believe CCP would be stupid enough as to allow that anyway)
*I'd rather have a feature delivered three years late but polished and working than a feature on time but full of glitches, no quality, and just providing another source of rage making so many threads that you can't throw a stone without hitting one.
*My only hope for Incarna is that eventually I can use autopilot(shocker, you can already do that) and walk around my ship on the long expeditions to the other side of New Eden (which I do often).
P.S. Sorry for the wall of text, hope it helped though.
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Hellfire77
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Title really says it. Since Incarna has nothing to do with shooting each others space ships, I'm wondering if it will be more like Dust 514, but just more directly ported to Eve.
If it is to be a paid expansion..you should be the first in line with a face like that
I thought my mug was ugly lol..I feel alot better
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:59:00 -
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Well for any of you who think that it takes this long to make an EXPANSION, you are wrong. This has to be a full on game. Smaller game companies have made HUGE games in less time. So Incarna has to be an ENORMOUS, EPIC GAME (not expansion). Therefore, should the game Incarna be free?
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Milan Nantucket
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Posted - 2010.09.22 03:01:00 -
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If I havs da sex with my main will the offspring be my third toon?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.22 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Well for any of you who think that it takes this long to make an EXPANSION, you are wrong.
Why?
Quote: This has to be a full on game.
It isn't. Now what?
Quote: Smaller game companies have made HUGE games in less time. So Incarna has to be an ENORMOUS, EPIC GAME (not expansion).
Non sequitur. Do you know what Incarna is?
Quote: Therefore, should the game Incarna be free?
It's a free expansion of EVE, yes. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.09.22 06:09:00 -
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no sub fee but cash shop so you can buy virtual dong, parrot pet etc for your avatar.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.22 06:12:00 -
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Will Incarna Be A Seperate Subscription Fee?
God I hope so......
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Xessej
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Posted - 2010.09.22 07:44:00 -
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With any luck at all who ever is in charge at CCP will realize what a horrible idea incarna is, cancel it entirely, tell White Wolf to pay for the development of their MMO themselves and assign those assets that could be working on Eve to Eve.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Title really says it. Since Incarna has nothing to do with shooting each others space ships...
Since invention has nothing to do with ...
Since market has nothing to do with ...
Since missions have nothing to do with ...
If you think EVE is just about shooting space ships you miss around 80% of the fun in EVE.
EVE is about pvp in a science-fiction environment. Only a small portion of pvp in EVE is done by shooting spaceships.
So, failtroll is fail. 0/10 |
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:14:00 -
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No extra sub but you will have to pay a 10 million docking fee in every npc station.
Recruiting. |
Ned Black
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:33:00 -
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Incarna = Useless eye candy that will be fun the first 5 minutes after which I will most likely never leave my ship again.
I simply see no point in walking for 5 minutes to buy a mod that I can buy from my ship. If our corp has a meeting then we use speach software outside of eve, or use the ingame chat and can by doing that ignore going into a station completely.
If they would incorporate dust514 with incarna so that you could engage your wartargets inside the stations... now THAT would be interresting. And/or changing the way you take down POSes and such. (Get the shield down and then you have to engage manually to take it down completely instead of the current sitforhoursanddonothing)... that would also be fun... but just walking around in stations?
Totally and utterly pointless in my book.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ned Black Incarna = Useless eye candy that will be fun the first 5 minutes after which I will most likely never leave my ship again.
I simply see no point in walking for 5 minutes to buy a mod that I can buy from my ship. If our corp has a meeting then we use speach software outside of eve, or use the ingame chat and can by doing that ignore going into a station completely.
If they would incorporate dust514 with incarna so that you could engage your wartargets inside the stations... now THAT would be interresting. And/or changing the way you take down POSes and such. (Get the shield down and then you have to engage manually to take it down completely instead of the current sitforhoursanddonothing)... that would also be fun... but just walking around in stations?
Totally and utterly pointless in my book.
Confirming that the one and only gameplay activity incorporated in Incarna will be actual walking inside of stations
not.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:36:00 -
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This has been asked many times and Devs have confirmed several times that it is considered an expansion to EVE and will be free like all other expansions.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 22/09/2010 09:46:05
Originally by: Akita T
P.S. Also, the engine that will be used for Incarna is not really developed _FOR_ Incarna, but for the WoD MMO. They're just adding it to EVE too because, hey, it's their IP, and all they need to do extra is artwork and some (relatively small) modifications.
*headdesk*
I'm really trying very hard to restrain myself when I say this: The engine is developed for BOTH Incarna and WoD. I find it very difficult to grasp how this can be such a troublesome concept for people to fathom. -----
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour Well for any of you who think that it takes this long to make an EXPANSION, you are wrong. This has to be a full on game. Smaller game companies have made HUGE games in less time. So Incarna has to be an ENORMOUS, EPIC GAME (not expansion). Therefore, should the game Incarna be free?
1. It's not a separate game (it's an expansion) 2. It's taken so long because CCP has been building everything from the group-up and using never-before-seen technology and solutions. They are famous for biting off more than they can chew, and when you do that it takes a while to get through the task. 3. The resources dedicated to the Incarna team have been limited. Half a dozen expansions have been in parallel development with WiS/Ambulation/Incarna, Apocrypha had everybody pulled off what they were doing to work on that expansion. Only now, when they evidently feel their core tech is stable enough to build on, are they piling on the development teams - dev teams that would have been completely wasted if they had been included in the process too early. -----
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 22/09/2010 10:37:32 "Incarna adds nothing to Eve."
Oh, yeah, that's right, because EVE is internet spaceships AND NOTHING ELSE!!!1!!!11
Geez, either very dumb, or very much a troll.
But either way, answer to the initial question? No.
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai <Above pair>
And thank you for the excellent post. ^^
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/09/2010 17:26:12
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Akita T P.S. Also, the engine that will be used for Incarna is not really developed _FOR_ Incarna, but for the WoD MMO. They're just adding it to EVE too because, hey, it's their IP, and all they need to do extra is artwork and some (relatively small) modifications.
*headdesk* I'm really trying very hard to restrain myself when I say this: The engine is developed for BOTH Incarna and WoD. I find it very difficult to grasp how this can be such a troublesome concept for people to fathom.
There's no significant practical difference between what you said and what I said. The only slight difference that matters is in the point of view, the rest is academical, "chicken and egg" type of argument.
AS CONCEPT, the idea might have started as WIS then Ambulation then finally Incarna. The main reason it's _still_ going on strong however (and as a main dev focus for the Iceland team) is FINANCIAL in nature at this point, in the form of a new MMO launch (the WoD one) and possible game engine licensing rights to 3rd parties.
Would the WoD MMO not (be planned to) exist, they might have gone ahead with it developed just for EVE. Or they might have dropped it eventually because it used too much dev time total and is likely to still use a lot of it from now on (the usual complaint you hear from people complaining they don't want Incarna). Would it not be used in EVE at all, it would still be developed for the WoD MMO, at least at this point in time. So you might as well use it in EVE too, even if it's no longer the primary motivation. In other words, you develop it for one mainly or for the other mainly, doesn't really matter, you end up developing for both. What matters is that it's OPPOSED TO people complaining "it's wasted dev time on stuff nobody wants in EVE". The "headdesk" was mostly unnecessary.
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Oku Kee'lus
Burning Napalm
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Oku Kee'lus It's an EVE expansion like all the others, just different content. Did they charge you extra for the Wormholes? PI?
Wormholes were an expansion to Eve yes. PI is nothing but a chunk of porting Eve for Dust. I don't see that Incarna is part of Eve at all since it adds nothing to the EVE.
Also it has been in the works longer than Dust so it MUST be a huge game, bigger than anything we have ever seen ever before. How could they be working on an "expansion" for so long and its not an epic stand alone game ported to Eve?
LOL
I took it, hook, line and sinker.
+1 to you good Sir.
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Telvani
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:25:00 -
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wait, what I was gunna say terrible troll but we have 2 pages of people feeding it.
Would have been a 3/10, giving it a 7 now.
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Phranklyn
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:46:00 -
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whats incarna?
*grins*
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Dr BananaHammock
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:48:00 -
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Incarna is a waste of time. CCP has ****ed away years promising 'walking' in stations. So what? That has NOTHING to do with internets spaceships.
If you want to go 'socialize in a bar in a station wearing a tutu' I have a better idea. Go outside and go to a real bar where you can hit on real women, instead of pretend women in a video game.
Otherwise, leave the shooting at space ships to the real men.
There is always Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online. I hear those are really immersive.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BananaHammock Incarna is a waste of time. CCP has ****ed away years promising 'walking' in stations. So what? That has NOTHING to do with internets spaceships.
If you want to go 'socialize in a bar in a station wearing a tutu' I have a better idea. Go outside and go to a real bar where you can hit on real women, instead of pretend women in a video game.
Otherwise, leave the shooting at space ships to the real men.
There is always Hello Kitty or My Little Pony Online. I hear those are really immersive.
And if you don't like what CCP is doing to its game, it seems you know where to go. -----
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.22 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BananaHammock Incarna is a waste of time. CCP has ****ed away years promising 'walking' in stations. So what? That has NOTHING to do with internets spaceships.
Neither does EVE.
Or, rather, EVE has as much to do with walking in station as it has to do with internet spaceships. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie So, failtroll is fail. 0/10
He got you to post.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:01:00 -
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Watch out Quafe, here I come!
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:12:00 -
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This is a troll post. Why would you even suggest such a thing?
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Baron Wikkheiser
Bonny Buccaneers
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sig Sour Eve is Eve, Incarna is Incarna.
The stuff you claim I'm missing out on - is part of blowing each others ships up. Neither the market or industry work unless we are blowing each others ships up. Incarna is totally separate from everything that Eve is. It is like a carebear client to access the Eve universe. So really the question stands.
You are so wrong. Incarna will be just as much EVE as EVE is today.
I'm sure many people thought the same exact thing about dominion
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Gabe Macleod
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Posted - 2010.09.22 20:30:00 -
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I just want to say something, and I'm sure I am in a very silent minority, but I wouldn't mind paying for Incarna if it was truly a quality expansion that added a large amount to the game. Most other MMO's charge for their expansions and people have no problem paying for them. Hell, WoW has already had 2 major expansions that retailed at 50.00 and is set to release another one that will retail at the same price. If a company is putting out a quality product (and isn't overdoing it, ex. an expansion every 3 months) I don't have a problem with paying for it. Although, I think it's important to keep in mind that it is an "expansion" and for this reason I don't feel like a $50.00 price tag is appropriate, perhaps more in the range of 20-30.
If Incarna is what I hope to be I wouldn't mind paying for it, but what I've read and from previous experience we won't pay for it (just like any other EvE expansion. In my opinion this is a wonderful thing that CCP does for it's players. I just really hope they get Incarna right.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 20:44:00 -
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I give this troll 8/10, well done.
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