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Jate Gunma
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Posted - 2010.09.23 01:53:00 -
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Planning to use one or the other to clear exploration complexes where cruisers and above aren't allowed and anything t1 dies a fiery death.
What do you recommend and why? What fittings?
(please no crap about getting in other assault ships. Until my skills are to the point where using other faction's weapon systems is actually going to make their af's good, all your experience and advice on the subjects isn't going to help me, and it's a waste of your valuable time. Thanks)
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.09.23 02:28:00 -
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Harpy
Can't use MWD in deadspace. So even with whatever adjustments made to rockets.. the hawk will have to zoom around those particular areas in an AB, while a rail harpy can be AB'ing to the next accerlation gate or whatever objective while popping targets along the way.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.23 02:39:00 -
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If you have good Drone skills and a few lvls of Gallente Frigate you could try the Worm.
It is a little pricey but it can be fit and use missiles and 5 Hobbies!
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Alara IonStorm
If you have good Drone skills and a few lvls of Gallente Frigate you could try the Worm.
It is a little pricey but it can be fit and use missiles and 5 Hobbies!
This is actually really solid advice -- iff you have decent drone skills. The Worm is actually one of my favorite ships for low level complexes and such. Just slap on a complex AB and a buffer tank and you should be good to go.
Otherwise? Harpy. Buffer tank it. I'd use a complex AB and 75s. Though I've never tried it.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:47:00 -
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I would second the Worm suggestion. I love my worm and have even been able to run a few DED 3s with the Worm. I tend to skip the AB, focusing more on my tank. Plus, the worm can fit 3 rigs and given that you have Caldari 5, you get 25% to all resists. You really don't need more than 5 Drones anyways, so Gallante Frigate you really only need to 3 to fly the worm and nothing else.
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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:52:00 -
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I dont understand all this worm love..
if the guy had strong drone skills and gallente frig 5 then would be better go for ishkur, not for the worm.
Just imho.
Anyway, back to the topic: harpy
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UrMomLvsEmo
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Posted - 2010.09.23 16:59:00 -
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Hawk is useless. THey need to fix rockets and give the AF an AB bonus to make it viable. You'll just be cannon fodder with it.
At least with the harpy you can put out a painful amount of DPS with a blarpy fit (as long as somone has a tackle).
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Jardine Khan
Caldari
Grey Wolves Mercenary Guild
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Posted - 2010.09.23 17:38:00 -
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I'm not sure why people keep saying the Hawk is useless. My answer is skip the rockets and go with standard missiles. No need for an AB and you can use all the mid slots for the tank, plus you can easily get 40+km range with standard missiles, more than enough to deal with the NPC cruisers that show up and stay out of range. Plus, with the right missiles, you could insta-pop most NPC frigs (namely Gurista frigs while using Bloodclaw missiles).
The major flaw in both ships - the Hawk and Harpy - is the capacitor. Railguns and shield boosters are cap hungry SOBs, so pretty much the only difference between the two is how do you want your cap to be used? You could fit the Harpy with smaller guns, thus allowing you to be cap stable at the expense of dps. Or could use the Hawk with standard missiles x4, a small T2 shield booster, and 2x T2 shield booster amps, plus whatever else you want and get a better tank and dps.
Granted, there might be a flaw or two in my opinion, such as never having flown a Harpy nor having used a Hawk for a plex yet (but I have used it to clear level 2 missions), but I'm just offering a different view point from what others say.
Either way, it's your choice and it'll mostly depend on your skills and personal preference. |
Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:00:00 -
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i like the hawk myself for pve
if the rocket fix ever goes through you'll see alot more people using it for pvp too
the gallente hacs are probably better for plexing though, with the drones and stuff. you can put a huge tank on a worm if you want to go that route too
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Tanaka Reina
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Posted - 2010.09.24 04:55:00 -
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How about a Hookbill? just a doodling I made a while ago with this ship using a medium shield booster:
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, med shield]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Small Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
120 dps
85 sustained defence
1168m/s
cap stable at 64%
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VoggFight
Genesis Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.24 10:10:00 -
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You can easily fit a Hawk with Standard Missile Launchers..
Even when going into a complex, this fit should be good enough for you to spew missiles @ 60km, keep going above 1k m/s stable and pulse your shield booster if needed.
With the resists as they are, stick to Guristas/Serpentis sites though:
[Hawk]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN Afterburner II
Small Shield Booster II
Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
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xenodia
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
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Posted - 2010.09.24 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jate Gunma
Planning to use one or the other to clear exploration complexes where cruisers and above aren't allowed and anything t1 dies a fiery death.
What do you recommend and why? What fittings?
(please no crap about getting in other assault ships. Until my skills are to the point where using other faction's weapon systems is actually going to make their af's good, all your experience and advice on the subjects isn't going to help me, and it's a waste of your valuable time. Thanks)
Depends on your skills. Either can work really if fitted/used properly. If you dont have the fitting skills to slap standard missiles on a hawk, then id definately use a harpy over rocket hawk.
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Jate Gunma
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Posted - 2010.09.25 03:36:00 -
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Much thanks, all! Of course, I'd still enjoy seeing further opinions.
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Mini T
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Posted - 2010.09.25 04:09:00 -
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I am probably one of the least skilled of the folks who have made notes here, but I love flying this little Hookbill NI. 1131 M/s and it puts full volley DPS out at 40 KM consistently. Use it to range out the smaller stuff and then bring in my BS if I cant make progress with the HB. With a 40 sig, its pretty hard to hit.
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, HB2 (40)]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
F-392 Baker Nunn Tracking Disruptor I
Supplemental Thermal Barrier Emitter
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
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Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mini T
I am probably one of the least skilled of the folks who have made notes here, but I love flying this little Hookbill NI. 1131 M/s and it puts full volley DPS out at 40 KM consistently. Use it to range out the smaller stuff and then bring in my BS if I cant make progress with the HB. With a 40 sig, its pretty hard to hit.
[Caldari Navy Hookbill, HB2 (40)]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
F-392 Baker Nunn Tracking Disruptor I
Supplemental Thermal Barrier Emitter
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Why do you need a TP on a frigate shooting guided missiles? Guided Missile Precision IV or V ftw...
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Aglais
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.26 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
If you have good Drone skills and a few lvls of Gallente Frigate you could try the Worm.
It is a little pricey but it can be fit and use missiles and 5 Hobbies!
My Worm gets a good 1.1km/s with a Coreli C-type AB, and once rockets are fixed I could have it be right there with like 5.2k shield health. That's probably why they shot up in price from 45mil to 80mil. No clue what the DPS on it would be though yet as EFT does not have the fixed rocket stats or anything in it, nor do I think Sisi does either.
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BuckStrider
Fleem Co
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Posted - 2010.09.26 00:52:00 -
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I've always liked the Harpy of DOOM!
[Harpy, DOOM!]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Shield Extender II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 75
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge S
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
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