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Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.23 19:17:00 - [1] http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=790 Quote from the CCP issued statement ô You will be able to find them in all areas of space, high sec, low sec and zero sec, with the appropriate reward multipliers depending on where it is of course. ö Hmmm surprise, surprise, this includes the standard clause which spoils EVE granting a forgone bonus typical slanted towards the ôpoorö low sec pets, why the he*l should they get preferential status for loot, if the work getting through the specific complex or event requires the same skills intellect or hardware and teamwork etc, Empire PVEer`s often can never even get near enough into low or nulsec areas to have a crack at these because you have to be PVE set to complete them, not the PVP set up needed to get there in the first place, and here you go again, offering better stuff to the "poor" low secer`s. So unless you are going to offer an extra special bonus to the interested Hisecer, for the extra and sdditional risks over and above the complex to justify battling into and out of lowsec, they will never get the chance at them as usual. So why should they get better stuff?
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.09.23 19:42:00 - [2] Why not just base yourself in lo-sec at a station with a good agent and use a difficult to scan down T3 fit to do your PvE (mission running, exploration whatever)? You'll then have access to these so-called better rewards that you speak of. There's no 'preferential status', there's a greater risk, so you get a better reward. Absolutely fair enough.
Aelana Anais Gallente LiveTech Cold Fusion Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.23 19:54:00 - [3] I sense a bit of a troll... but re: Nomad: Definitely, I sense a great deal more T3 unprobeable fits and more Tengu buyage going on. Along with a lot more Tengu killmails if they implement this badly (which going off of previous track record seems likely) áááá
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.23 20:08:00 - [4] Risk -> Reward. Your post is full of examples why it should be done the way it is being done.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.23 20:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Avenger1 So unless you are going to offer an extra special bonus to the interested Hisecer, for the extra and sdditional risks over and above the complex to justify battling into and out of lowsec, they will never get the chance at them as usual. So why should they get better stuff? Ehmà the "extra special bonus to the interested highsecer" is exactly the thing you're complaining that the "poor" low-secers are gettingà àthat's the reason they're getting it: to act as an "extra special bonus" to those interested. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
WaringAndWhoring Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES	Posted - 2010.09.23 20:34:00 - [6] Just ninja the high sec ones and you wont even have to do any work. The flaw of incursions is that it takes groups to do so they say anyway, and while these groups are busy killing everything, there is nothing to stop you from running up and stealing the loot in something fast. You may even be able to do it in low sec in something fast and stealthy. Personally I think low sec incursions will be nothing but big bait traps anyway for all the blood lusting residents. I would use them that way if I had a pirate corp. Find one keep a cloaked scout there and keep the gang near by. Wait for the PVE people to show up then pounce.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.24 07:20:00 - [7] Originally by: WaringAndWhoring Just ninja the high sec ones and you wont even have to do any work. The flaw of incursions is that it takes groups to do so they say anyway, and while these groups are busy killing everything, there is nothing to stop you from running up and stealing the loot in something fast. You may even be able to do it in low sec in something fast and stealthy. Personally I think low sec incursions will be nothing but big bait traps anyway for all the blood lusting residents. I would use them that way if I had a pirate corp. Find one keep a cloaked scout there and keep the gang near by. Wait for the PVE people to show up then pounce. That partially what I mean there is little incentive because of the dual nature of PVE setup vs PVP perhaps they would be far better of getting rid of PVE setups all together and work towards all PVP requirements in Empire and Low sec for missions especially in group ones they are proposing atm for unless you are in a sizable corp or alliance, ie "low sec pets" to watch your back you often become side lined and excluded, and it likely will simply end up being in yet another blob in low sec.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.09.24 08:57:00 - [8] Wow, carebears seem to find a way to whine about everything. Finally something to bring some balance back to the risk vs. reward equation that is way out of whack in K-space. Also sounds like interesting and dynamic content which will finally involve real groups outside of W-space. And not just 1x passive tank + 1-2x RR [insert prefered ship here] to finish it. I don't see what you mean by "hisecers", no one is stopping you going into low sec or null sec (even solo)? I've done all low sec and null sec PvE content solo before and to be honest, no one really knows what these Incursions will involve in low sec or null sec and ofcourse there should be a greater reward for greater risk. Also another reason to pew pew? Excellent! Finally a reason to pew pew in low sec other than FW plexing and control of mission hubs. Which to be honest are both pretty poor reasons at the moment and no one seems to care anymore. If your so scurred, stay in high sec where you belong.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:00:00 - [9] Originally by: TheMahdi Wow, carebears seem to find a way to whine about everything. Finally something to bring some balance back to the risk vs. reward equation that is way out of whack in K-space. Also sounds like interesting and dynamic content which will finally involve real groups outside of W-space. And not just 1x passive tank + 1-2x RR [insert prefered ship here] to finish it. I don't see what you mean by "hisecers", no one is stopping you going into low sec or null sec (even solo)? I've done all low sec and null sec PvE content solo before and to be honest, no one really knows what these Incursions will involve in low sec or null sec and ofcourse there should be a greater reward for greater risk. Also another reason to pew pew? Excellent! Finally a reason to pew pew in low sec other than FW plexing and control of mission hubs. Which to be honest are both pretty poor reasons at the moment and no one seems to care anymore. If your so scurred, stay in high sec where you belong. If the extent of your gaming is sad and simple "pew,pew" stop playing Eve and go play a console FPS where pew,pew never ends there and you wil have found your natural peers group.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.09.24 10:45:00 - [10] Originally by: TheMahdi I've done all low sec and null sec PvE content solo before Bolded for emphasis and stupidity. inb4 missions takes skill and intellect.

Rellana1	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:10:00 - [11] Seeing they'll be in 0.0,does that mean they'll be in the space of allainces like Razor etc?
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.24 11:46:00 - [12] Indeed it's funny how they carebears always whine so much and then when you ask them: "So how many times have you been ganked or surprised in a mission?" "well never, but it's still unsafe!!!!" Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.24 12:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Indeed it's funny how they carebears always whine so much and then when you ask them: "So how many times have you been ganked or surprised in a mission?" "well never, but it's still unsafe!!!!" I see and you are so knowledgable and important in EVE that you have 1st hand quotes from every single active player in EVE, yeah right; "Mr Expert on the matter".
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.24 12:43:00 - [14] No, but I have been ganked and gotten my carebear ship blown up...you don't see me going on emorage. You only need your wits and intel and you can pretty much survive in Eve with VERY good %. There are tools that help you....dir, intel...local... Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.09.24 12:47:00 - [15] so basically what the OP wants is better rewards than low sec/0.0 content doers. so you want better rewards that ppl who risk their ship and pod while you sit in your "safe" space and have to only worry about ninjas or suicidegankers(and only have to worry about those when u fly 10b BS or tengus or whatever). i strongly disagree... you should be getting less than you allready get. want more rewards... move to low sec... i missioned in low sec the first 3 years of eve(only lost one raven with semi faction fit due to not reacting fast enough:P... after that i flew a pimped mach for missions and never got killed again...yay ging 800+m/s with a ab :) ) allso i have done a bit of the 0.0 content but didnt care...was there to pew pew. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:25:00 - [16] Or is he meaning that there should be more rewards to those in nullsec/lowsec (as there already is) so that those gankers and ninjas would say there, because killing carebears wouldn't be as profitable as going into null/lowsec. but you can't put a price on tears Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.24 13:44:00 - [17] He's saying that it's unfair that people living in lowsec get better rewards. To compensate for this unfairness, he wants CCP to give people who go to lowsec to get better rewards.
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:16:00 - [18] I think b**ching and moaning about carebear tears should not be the subject of this debate. Rather, we should focus our conversation on how CCP will only do a partial release of this content and the threadnaughts that will follow complaining that CCP didn't deliver what our wild speculations said they promised. I'm completely expecting weekly Sansha supercap hotdrops into my hisec carebear hub.
Julia Venatrix	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:34:00 - [19] Hmmm. I don't reckon that true nullsec rewards for Incursion PvE should be any greater than for hisec - let's face it, most nullsec mission runners face zero risk of suicide ganks or losing mission loot/salvage to ninjas in their well-secured and well-intelligenced space. It's lowsec & NPC null where the actual risk to the PvE player lies, and where the rewards should be greater if these team missions require a PvE fit. I sure hope they don't though; the risk vs reward equation in lowsec is already too broken, and just adding yet another way for PvE fits to get slaughtered out of hand by PvP fits would just reinforce that imbalance. --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 05:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Avenger1 on 25/09/2010 05:02:54 Originally by: Tippia He's saying that it's unfair that people living in lowsec get better rewards. To compensate for this unfairness, he wants CCP to give people who go to lowsec to get better rewards. No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot.

TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.09.25 07:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Avenger1 Edited by: Avenger1 on 25/09/2010 05:02:54 Originally by: Tippia He's saying that it's unfair that people living in lowsec get better rewards. To compensate for this unfairness, he wants CCP to give people who go to lowsec to get better rewards. No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. And how exactly do you suggest the game discriminates between "hi sec pilots" and these "folks who already reside there"? The rewards will be higher in low sec anyway, why should they be higher for you just because you spend all your time in high sec? I can't believe I'm even asking this question, the stupidity of it makes my mind=blown.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.25 08:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Avenger1 No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. Soo....you are meaning that the "amateurs" of lowsec/null should get better rewards than those who are already living there because they know the ropes? Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:22:00 - [23] Originally by: TheMahdi Originally by: Avenger1 Edited by: Avenger1 on 25/09/2010 05:02:54 Originally by: Tippia He's saying that it's unfair that people living in lowsec get better rewards. To compensate for this unfairness, he wants CCP to give people who go to lowsec to get better rewards. No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. And how exactly do you suggest the game discriminates between "hi sec pilots" and these "folks who already reside there"? The rewards will be higher in low sec anyway, why should they be higher for you just because you spend all your time in high sec? I can't believe I'm even asking this question, the stupidity of it makes my mind=blown. The the agent issuing the mision will be a hisec agent sending a group into low sec therefore that way the system would correctly allocate a higher reward to those picking up from that agent, and to further help as you should know in order to access such a high level agent you would have had to work at the standings of that particular Hisec NPC corp before you could even aquire such a mission, and whilst not ruling out the use of alts by low sec players to reap similar rewards will however increase the chances that it was a high sec pilot group agents are prety much fixed for very long periods of time and only shuffled arround occasionaly by CCPthe checks are quite straight forward, most data already there in the system.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 10:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Avenger1 No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. Soo....you are meaning that the "amateurs" of lowsec/null should get better rewards than those who are already living there because they know the ropes? By the way please stop trolling , if you are a main, you still have several years of EVE catching up on me if ever, If you are an alt of an older char you should have aquired a greater perspective of the game as a whole. Simply because I instigated this thread for debate is not indicative of how I personaly play EVE or where I regularly reside in EVE, it is simply that I try to look at issuses from both sides of the fence.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche I'm completely expecting weekly Sansha supercap hotdrops into my hisec carebear hub. That would be awesome. Imagine running a mission only to find the original rats have been ganked already by a Sansha fleet...
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Avenger1 Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Avenger1 No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. Soo....you are meaning that the "amateurs" of lowsec/null should get better rewards than those who are already living there because they know the ropes? By the way please stop trolling , if you are a main, you still have several years of EVE catching up on me if ever, If you are an alt of an older char you should have aquired a greater perspective of the game as a whole. Simply because I instigated this thread for debate is not indicative of how I personaly play EVE or where I regularly reside in EVE, it is simply that I try to look at issuses from both sides of the fence. I'm not trolling and you also failed to answer my question. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:36:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 25/09/2010 11:39:03 Originally by: Avenger1 No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. You mean, they will have to do the things that the low-sec people are already doing, which is why they're getting the higher rewards? Quote: to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. No. If they can use any given tactic to reap these higher rewards, then so can you. If you can't, then you obviously don't deserve these rewards. You seem to think that living in lowsec somehow gives you magical abilities to just ignore certain issues that living in highsec burdens you with. This is not the case. Quote: The the agent issuing the mision will be a hisec agent sending a group into low sec therefore that way the system would correctly allocate a higher reward to those picking up from that agent, and to further help as you should know in order to access such a high level agent you would have had to work at the standings of that particular Hisec NPC corp before you could even aquire such a mission, and whilst not ruling out the use of alts by low sec players to reap similar rewards will however increase the chances that it was a high sec pilot group agents are prety much fixed for very long periods of time and only shuffled arround occasionaly by CCPthe checks are quite straight forward, most data already there in the system. Again, you seem to think that there is some magical difference between the two. There isn't. If they can do it, so can you; if you can do it, so can they (and they probably already are). What you're describing will have zero effect: the lowsec-dwellers will just use the high-sec agents to get these higher-paying missions and then do them that way (and you'll still be unable to go into lowsec to get themà) You are just asking for higher rewards for absolutely no useful reason. Nothing is keeping you from getting these higher rewards except your own choice not to pursue them because you're too lazy/chicken/unorganised to do so. That's not something the game should compensate for ù quite the opposite: it should penalise you for ità The reason the rewards are higher is because the risks are higher. Don't want the risks? The forget about the rewards. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Avenger1 ...it is simply that I try to look at issuses from both sides of the fence. From what I've read the grass is greener on the other side and you want to flip the grass without actually jumping over the fence. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Avenger1 Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Originally by: Avenger1 No I am inferring that in order for a group of regular Hi sec pilots to even get to a low sec site they have a markedly increased risk factor before they can even attempt the complex which is further increased in the return journey therefore for such a group their particular rewards should reflect that incresed risk factor. to a greater extent than that of folks who already reside there and resent the intrusion into their private money pot. Soo....you are meaning that the "amateurs" of lowsec/null should get better rewards than those who are already living there because they know the ropes? By the way please stop trolling , if you are a main, you still have several years of EVE catching up on me if ever, If you are an alt of an older char you should have aquired a greater perspective of the game as a whole. Simply because I instigated this thread for debate is not indicative of how I personaly play EVE or where I regularly reside in EVE, it is simply that I try to look at issuses from both sides of the fence. I'm not trolling and you also failed to answer my question. I did not answer your question, as, I simply did not feel it was worthy of one. Broaden your views a little to move beyond your somewhat tunnel vision and look to the larger picture, consider therefore the aspects of an iceberg, it may help you along the path to wisdom.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 11:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Avenger1 I did not answer your question, as, I simply did not feel it was worthy of one. You're quite wrong: it's very much worthy an answer, since it addresses the main flaw of your wishà So how about it? Why should the bumbling tourists earn more than the clued-in residents? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Avenger1 I did not answer your question, as, I simply did not feel it was worthy of one. You're quite wrong: it's very much worthy an answer, since it addresses the main flaw of your wishà So how about it? Why should the bumbling tourists earn more than the clued-in residents? Learn to stretch your own mind, don't ask to be spoon fed.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 13:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Avenger1 Learn to stretch your own mind, don't ask to be spoon fed. So you have no answer to the question then? Good, then that's settled: there is no reason to implement your suggestion. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Avenger1	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Avenger1 Learn to stretch your own mind, don't ask to be spoon fed. So you have no answer to the question then? Good, then that's settled: there is no reason to implement your suggestion. Wrong again, I simply refuse to join up the dots up for you; if you havn't, or can't figure it out now for your self, well keep playing EVE it may come to you, eventually; or not perhaps, time will tell. Auf Wiedersehen!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.09.25 19:29:00 - [34] Edited by: Tippia on 25/09/2010 19:30:42 Originally by: Avenger1 I simply refuse to join up the dots up for you So you have no answer to the question then? Good, then that's settled twice: there is really no reason to implement your suggestion ù you can't even come up with a really silly one. Of course, you still demonstrated that the solution already exists: you get more rewards for going into lowsec, just like you asked. So the problem doesn't actually even exist ù your suggestion isn't even needed. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.27 07:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Avenger1 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Avenger1 Learn to stretch your own mind, don't ask to be spoon fed. So you have no answer to the question then? Good, then that's settled: there is no reason to implement your suggestion. Wrong again, I simply refuse to join up the dots up for you; if you havn't, or can't figure it out now for your self, well keep playing EVE it may come to you, eventually; or not perhaps, time will tell. Auf Wiedersehen! Trust me, we are stretching. A lot. It's just that common sense has no place in insanity. Questions are always worthy it's the answers that aren't. This just proves that it doesn't matter if we ask good or bad questions (they are same) you still lack the wisdom to answer one. If you want to disguise your pathetic reasonings into "literate" text...then do so, but do better. A lot. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2010.09.27 11:07:00 - [36] Did the OP pay for just the 5-minute argument or the whole half-hour?
SickSeven Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.27 14:36:00 - [37] I think the OP is actually a low sec pirate and he wants more newbs to gank. Otherwise his proposal is laughingly ******ed. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue


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