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iKill Giants Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:28:00 - [1] General thread. Favorite faction ships, opinions on how they're broken, opinions on how they can be fixed, opinions on how too many seem to think they're broken and need to be fixed, etc. People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:12:00 - [2] ORE ships are broken. They only make like 1/4 the ISK as their pirate cousins. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:51:00 - [3] I'll assume you're talking about pirate faction ships since the navy ones are largely not worth discussing. Battleships: The mach and possibly the nightmare are both (imo) what a faction ship ought to be. They can provide immense dps and have very unique models. The Vindi and Rattlesnake both get a -1 for being recycled models. The rattler gets a half point for being somewhat useful in it's niche (tanking things most ships can't due to having the best sub-cap passive tank) and the Vindi gets another -1 for being ham-strung by the current lacking of hybrid turrets. The baalgorn also has a recycled model, but the slick pain job (not idiot camouflage cough caldari/gallente navy) makes up for it, and like the rattler it has a solid niche as a neut machine. Cruisers: All of them bend over when the Cynabal comes calling. Aside from this, the Gila has serious CPU issues, and the ashimumu is a mystery to me. I've never used one. The rest of the faction cruisers I could take or leave. I've not flown any of them extensively enough to comment. Frigates: Again, Dramiel and Daredevil show the rest of the group who's boss. The up-side being at least here, the top dog has someone to fear (ie. most dram pilots run in terror from most daredevil pilots). Barring that, the worm is probably the worst of the lot thanks to roflkits (fix inc?), the succubus is another mystery to me (never bothered with it), and the cruor well.. I have no idea why you'd use a frigate hull to neut anything. Summary: The angel ships a far out of line in the smaller hulls, and still fairly stand-out at the battleship end aswell (pvp). Since niche roles don't really exist for all the faction ships as they are designed. I think a few of them some go back to the drawing board or they'll remain lolzy bait ships (intended perhaps?) and nothing more. The angel ships in general could probably use a nerf, but I am not entirely sure that their dominance isn't just a byproduct of the gurista ships being almost entirely used to pve and the serp ships suffering from hyrbid woes. In a perfect world where hybirds were competetive, the gila had a bit more cpu, and rockets were fixed... we migiht see 90% of the faction ships having useful gang roles.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.09.24 22:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Irae Ragwan Vindi gets another -1 for being ham-strung by the current lacking of hybrid turrets. Huh. I actually thought the Vindi and Vigilant were the only remaining ships larger than frigates that could effectively make use of blasters. Each to their own I suppose. But yes, the Worm is just god-awful for PvP. Ishkur wins that one hands down. Cruor is indeed a bit of a mystery. Succubus is also a bit meh. Cruisers all seem alright in general, though I'd kill for more CPU on the Gila. (Switching hulls on that monstrosity would also be an endearing gesture.) Restoring the Phantasm to its previous stats wouldn't hurt a thing either. Battleships I'm not qualified to comment on so I'll hold back there.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.09.24 22:31:00 - [5] The Vindi makes the best of a rather poor situation, i'll give you that. But i'd have been terribly remissed if I didn't mention hybrid woes in this comparison. The Vindicator has the potential to be amazing like the mach and it's definietly held back by hyrbid mechanics.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.09.24 23:02:00 - [6] A few of the non Pirate Faction ships are pretty cool. Fleet Stabber has a Huricane sized tank with a Stabbers speed and sig. Navy Omen is a Heavy close range brawler! Navy Vexor is just like a Vexor with better fitting, more tank and firepower! Slicer is the good Assualt Frigate Ammar never had. As for the Battleships, well they are all pretty win at both PVP and PVE, more tank, slots, drones, turrets / launchers! Faction is fine, tech 2 is just usually a bit better. A big problem is people fly them without perfecting there skills, they cost as much or more then tech 2 so becareful! -- Alara's Law! As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1
William Cooly	Posted - 2010.09.24 23:13:00 - [7] I've flown the Phantasm and Ashimmu and I have to say they're both amazing in their own rights. The Phantasm still has some issues with being bent over by any t2 cruiser or above, but with decent skills you eat most ships below BS for lunch, and then even some exceptions above that. Sansha bonuses are subtle (tracking, fitting, damage) and thus largely ignored, so most just call it **** and fondle their Cynabals. Ashimmu, though, is positively amazing. I capped out an Apoc and took it down, solo, with ease. I've heard the Bhaalgorn stays true to form by also posing a threat to ships a class above, namely capitals. With a full set of Talismans and assorted other implants, you get to -3150 cap every 14 seconds. I almost consider the Bhaal a capital in it's own right for this ability, which is, in case you're wondering, why I'm bringing up faction implants And since OP just said faction in general, the Stabber Fleet Issue kicks ass. I got it to 1200 DPS tank against Guristas, passive. I strongly recommend it to those with gunnery skills.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.09.24 23:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Slicer is the good Assualt Frigate Ammar never had. This. The Slicer is quite possibly my favorite frig hull at the moment. It competes with pirate/T2 frigs and can pull its own. Which kind of leaves the Succubus as, like I said, meh.
iKill Giants Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.25 00:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Alara IonStorm Slicer is the good Assualt Frigate Ammar never had. This. The Slicer is quite possibly my favorite frig hull at the moment. It competes with pirate/T2 frigs and can pull its own. Which kind of leaves the Succubus as, like I said, meh. I agree on all points quoted. I had a Succubus at one point, and it was... average. It felt like any other frig, with a fairly standard layout and nothing that could be remarked on really. It's high slots were unique but it didn't do much for it. The Slicer, on the other hand, pews so much tailpipe it has to get special armor polish so it doesn't constantly smell like exhaust and burnt flesh. It's fairly cheap too, if you happen to be able to do Amarr missions. 30 K lp and a trivial amount of minerals, suddenly you have a frig. --------- People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.09.25 03:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Alara IonStorm Slicer is the good Assualt Frigate Ammar never had. This. The Slicer is quite possibly my favorite frig hull at the moment. It competes with pirate/T2 frigs and can pull its own. Which kind of leaves the Succubus as, like I said, meh. Only amarr frigate hull worth flying, with crusader being just a tiny bit behind it in my book.
Mercie Orion	Posted - 2010.10.01 11:51:00 - [11] Gila is a great ship for exploration, the CPU is a problem but seeing as most of your damage is drones, you can downsize to AML's for aggro. I carried a sisters core scan probe launcher, salvager, and tractor beam on mine, and just used the 2 missile bays for aggro basically. It packs as much or more passive shield tank as a drake with a HUGE drone bay. You can carry full flights + extra's of lights, mediums, and heavies, and/or sentries with no sweat. Great part is, you can go into a combat site, aggro everything, let the drones pwn them while you continue scanning down the system. It's outstanding for exploration (I do mostly high sec) but you could swap a tractor beam for a cloak and use it for low sec I suppose if you are brave enough.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.01 12:08:00 - [12] I think the faction ships should have some penalties when you loose them. They are supposed to be the "best" and for example dramiels and very good and all you need is ISK to get them (some skills too...). In a sense they are way overpowered. What i'm trying to get at is that players that have billions have no problem spending a buck on ten dramiels, but some normal player can't spend his mission grinded isk's for those. When you put a dramiel vs. T2 frig...well in most cases the dramiel will kick it's arse no matter what type of an T2 frig it's up against. That's wrong, even more so when the only difference is isk. Either make loosing them bad (really bad) or make getting them even harder (no buying them from orders). Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Mini T Furyans Corp	Posted - 2010.10.01 12:22:00 - [13] I will go ahead and expect to get flamed for this, but the Navy Issue Caracal (IMHO) make it what it should be to begin with. I have had good luck with it. The additional slots make up for some of the stock Caracal's shortcomings. I suspect, but have no experience with other (same class) faction ships, and would say that most here will say that they are better at what they do. Cannot disagree. I also bought a NI Hookbill on a whim and have come to really like it. Its uber fast and so small its impossible to hit (especially nano fit). I frustrate the dog out of people in it. Had a NI Scorp for a while. Which the NI version of it makes it what it should be IMO. But that is probably because I think it is the best looking ship in the game, and I really do not like the Raven (although I fly a few of them). Sustained Damage
Exaron	Posted - 2010.10.01 14:49:00 - [14] I like Auguror Navy as it's an unpredictable ship. Never seen anyone use it but it's a tremendous bait ship.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.10.01 15:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Exaron I like Auguror Navy as it's an unpredictable ship. Never seen anyone use it but it's a tremendous bait ship. That may be the weakest justification of a ship I've ever heard. What are we to do.... This? [Augoror Navy Issue, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Warp Scrambler II Warp Scrambler II Warp Scrambler II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M [empty high slot] Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.10.01 15:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Exaron I like Auguror Navy as it's an unpredictable ship. Never seen anyone use it but it's a tremendous bait ship. That may be the weakest justification of a ship I've ever heard. What are we to do.... This? [Augoror Navy Issue, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Warp Scrambler II Warp Scrambler II Warp Scrambler II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M [empty high slot] Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Damage Control that up a bit! -- Fine Mag's no Purple ok! But I am the Snyper Queen!
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.10.01 21:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Damage Control that up a bit! What, and lose a gyro? NEVAR! (Yeah, the ship sucks. And for once I feel alright about saying that without flying it.)

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