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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:35:00 -
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So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. So pissed off right now. |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:44:00 -
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Check your filters. |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:44:00 -
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Google is your friend - plenty of guides out there, and videos on youtube...IIRC a red circle means only two probes have picked the site up, double red dots with the same Sig No means three have picked the site up.
Try using 5 probes, and get the right skills - Astrometrics to at least 4, and the other Astrometric skills to at least 3, and use a ship that has a bones to probing.
Good luck, it takes a bit of practice. |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Late Night Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:47:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. So pissed off right now.
It's not impossible, I, and I am sure many others, probe every day, successfully I might add.
... Is it my mind that is in the gutter or did that sound a little dirty... 
Anyway, check your filters, train your skills, yadda, yadda, yadda ... really it sounds as if you need to train a little better or add rigs/switch to a scanning ship, or even just use more probes. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:55:00 -
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I'd go a step further and suggest Astrometrics V and supports at IV across the board. Traditionally i'm a bit shy about recommending Faction gear when the issue is lack of skills. - but in the instance of probing, i'll strongly suggest looking at Sisters' Probes & Launchers. Likewise Scanning rigs & using the T1 probing ship of your given racial frigate. At your earliest possible opportunity you likewise want to get into a T2 Covert Ops Scanning Frigate.
Here's a guide too:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Apocrypha_probing |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
212
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:16:00 -
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Thanks guys, just needed to vent. I've read some guides and it looks like I'm very under-skilled. I just wanted to see what exploration was like but I guess I need to invest more in astro skills (Astrometrics is only at I, all other exploration support skills at 0). |
Rakael Kateloda
State War Academy
Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:38:00 -
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Oh yeah you're definitely underskilled. I'm a newbie myself at it, and with lvl 1 I couldn't find anything except wormholes. I brought astrometrics up to 3 along with a few supportive skills and bought the Sister's gear as recommended above, and what a difference! It still takes me about 15-20 to scan down a mag or grav site at times - I find them to be the hardest, but right now I can scan down pretty much everything and I love it so far! So definitely bring your skills up to par, get the Sister's probes and scanner and give it another shot. It's fun! |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
11
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:39:00 -
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6 probes + skills at III minimum + covops + scanning rigs + sisters launcher + sisters probes = easy probing forever.  |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:39:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:Check your filters.
^^ This. It annoyed me greatly once I finally realized that the results were "disappearing" once I had narrowed the signals down enough to be classified, and thus filtered out by the default filter setting.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:40:00 -
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Watch the video tutorials, and PAY ATTENTION. Glossing over it with a "ok, I get it" attitude will result in you missing everything and your probes going all wonky. Learn how to do it correctly and it's cake. Also, I tend to recommend to friends that ask me about it the following:
1) Get all Astrometrics skills to L4
2) Get a ship with scanning bonuses (T1 or T2, if you can fly T2)
3) Fit a Grav Cap rig
4) Get Sisters Launcher/Probes (Core)
But learn how to do it first. You can easily learn in a T1 frig with all basic T1 stuff and minimal skills that are GIVEN TO YOU by the tutorial agent. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:54:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer.
Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain:
By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list.
A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
595
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:05:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain: By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list. A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP.
This. Having a red dot bounce all over the place and sometimes split in two or become a circle or all of that annoying crap is a sign of low skills. Having a red dot disappear suddenly when you focus probes is almost surely a sign that CCP's default filters have claimed another victim. |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
14
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:19:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain: By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list. A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP.
Didn't know this myself. Must've implemented it after I started playing. Anyhow, give this man a medal. Or, you can just have my space-forum-likes. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
65
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:37:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:This. Having a red dot bounce all over the place and sometimes split in two or become a circle or all of that annoying crap is a sign of low skills. Having a red dot disappear suddenly when you focus probes is almost surely a sign that CCP's default filters have claimed another victim.
This default filter setting is ticking me off. Maybe it's because I work in an industry where software problems like "The user interface is misleading!" don't lead to mad forum posts, but to very unpleasant attention from government agencies, and problems like "The user interface is deliberately misleading!" is grounds for class-action lawsuits.
*sigh*
I guess the computer games industry is a bit more lenient here, but it comes with other drawbacks. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
597
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Posted - 2012.07.31 20:31:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:This default filter setting is ticking me off. Maybe it's because I work in an industry where software problems like "The user interface is misleading!" don't lead to mad forum posts, but to very unpleasant attention from government agencies, and problems like "The user interface is deliberately misleading!" is grounds for class-action lawsuits.
Agreed on all counts; if this were critical functionality in the real world I'd start looking for lost revenues and any sign of negligent cause and get on this thing. It's rather annoying that this one gets lumped in to the standard forum response of "why didn't you just search for your answer?" when it's actually clearly broken and agitating until CCP finally fixes it is more appropriate for a change. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
65
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Posted - 2012.07.31 20:45:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Agreed on all counts; if this were critical functionality in the real world I'd start looking for lost revenues and any sign of negligent cause and get on this thing.
It would be a reason to stick the programmer/engineer responsible for this with a CAPA. CAPAs are great fun for everyone who isn't directly involved. |
Katalci
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.08.01 03:44:00 -
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In the time it took you to post your whine, you could have been practicing. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:10:00 -
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I finally scanned something down to 100%, my very first mag site.  |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
66
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:39:00 -
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Katalci wrote:In the time it took you to post your whine, you could have been practicing.
Practicing doesn't help if you don't know that by default, the filter removes identified mag/rad/lad sites from your results list. |
Sir Livingston
LOOT GODS
156
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:29:00 -
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Why does one let themselves build up frustration to the point where they rage post on a video game forum?
i make videos about internet spaceships
click to watch: http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
in-game chat channel: Club Deadspace |
Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom
Real Life Rejects
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:48:00 -
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People post on an innternet forum in frustration, because, some thing seem like they should just work. And when they do not you keep trying and get more annoyed, That "dot disapearing" thing is really frustrating, I had it happen to me once after I read through the suggested walk throughs and such. I did however stupidly unmark "unknown". So guess what happened once I got above a certain level -> boom it dispapeared, somehow my brain did not make the connection and I thought I was going insane, until a kind poster mentioned to "check your filters, moron".
Oh and to the original poster, look up deep space probes, I find them a very useful addition to the toolkit, require Atro 5 though. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
875
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Posted - 2012.08.01 22:59:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I finally scanned something down to 100%, my very first mag site.
Now you get to discover that mag sites suck.
Radar sites are better.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
hwhiskey
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:05:00 -
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There are a lot of good guides out there on scanning, even the old ones. They do show a variety of different techniques though, most of which will work fine but some are better than others.
When I was first learning to scan, it took me forever to nail down even the easiest sites until I started using the 7 probe cross. Basically you warp to sun, launch 7 probes and scan at 32 AU to get all the sigs. Then switch to 16 au, and with the view from straight above, move a prove up, down, left, and right of the center probe so that the inner edges of the probes still cover the whole white box of the center probe. Then rotate to look at the probes horizontally, and move one up and one down in the same fashion as you moved the first four. You now have a 3d cross with one probe in the center. When you scan, resposition the probes right on top of the red dot, set the scan range down a notch, and here's the important part:
Hold ALT and drag one of the outer probes closer to the center, and it will move all the probes in unison, keeping the cross shape but bringing them closer to get them overlapping again. Scan, rinse, repeat. With some practice you get into a rythm and it takes about 2 mins to scan down each sig if you don't have any errors.
Also as others have said, check the filters, and make sure you get Astro IV and the rangefinding/pinpointing to III, fit scanning rigs (grav capacitor upgrades) on a frig with scanning bonus (preferably cov ops), and use sisters probes at the very least, sisters launcher too if you can afford it. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Refuge of Hope
Lemniskate
21
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:17:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. So pissed off right now.
It's called scan deviation. Basically, when you get a target scan, the object is somewhere in that general area, but not necessarily where you see the dot. By default, the deviation is 50% (for instance, with a 32 AU scan range, it can be 16 AU off from where it shows!). Better scanning skills, signal strength and equipment improve this by a lot. |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
0
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:33:00 -
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Even in a magnate with standard probes and level 4 skills I rarely have problems.
I think the thing that most people get wrong is that
a) they move in too fast - I recommend only reducing the scan range by 1 notch each iteration
b) position the probes in a pyramid shape around your target.
The red dot is just a best guess - the actual location could be anywhere around there. |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
26
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Posted - 2012.08.02 09:30:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:a) they move in too fast - I recommend only reducing the scan range by 1 notch each iteration
After 20% signal strength it is usually safe to drop 2 notches at once. |
Renfus
0DAMN
1
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Posted - 2012.08.04 12:40:00 -
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Zicon Shak'ra wrote:6 probes + skills at III minimum + covops + scanning rigs + sisters launcher + sisters probes = easy probing forever.
^^
i normally just use 4 probes :)
once in a blue moon though...i get one that requires a 5th |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc.
Stealth Wear Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:58:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Chimpy B wrote:a) they move in too fast - I recommend only reducing the scan range by 1 notch each iteration After 20% signal strength it is usually safe to drop 2 notches at once.
Signal strength is not the indicator in this case. You will have to look how far off the center of your probe formation the scan result is, and also if it has moved much from the previous/initial scan. If it is far off and/or has moved much, you will most likely end up with a double signal/circle/sphere or even lose the signal if you go down 2 notches. If the position is relatively steady, however, you will probably be okay going down 2 notches at once.
I guess that's too much 'work' tho for many people, as well as keeping in memory roughly where that next sig to scan down was ...
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
0
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Posted - 2012.08.04 20:33:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:I guess that's too much 'work' tho for many people, as well as keeping in memory roughly where that next sig to scan down was ...
If it was too easy, everyone would do it and there would be massive over farming. ;-)
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Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.08.04 21:10:00 -
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If you're consistently having trouble scanning things down, there are a few things to consider:
- Make sure your skills are at least at 4 if not 5 (Astrometric Pinpointing, Acquisition, and Rangefinding).
- Make sure you are in a ship with scanning bonuses (Heron, Magnate, Imicus, Probe).
- Use Sisters launcher/probes.
Technique is a lot of it, too. Some sigs are really hard to nail down.
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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
402
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:07:00 -
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If the target is smart, he will be checking directional scanner. Once he see probes @ 4AU, warp out.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
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