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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:17:00 -
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I've been out of the game a spell and ended up selling my old main before I left. Looking back on what lead me to burn out last time, I realized I had been trying way too hard to keep grinding the isk needed to fund my expensive pvp habits (mostly battleships). In order to right myself this time around I plan on specializing in frigates so that I can get my jollies on the cheap instead.
That said, a world in which I don't have an expensive BS to farm with is new to me and i'm a little daunted by the prospect of being the small ship in fleet. I still have quite a bit of isk left over from the sale of my old character, around 3 billion, but even with the cheapest possible ships that won't last forever.
My questions are: How cost effective is frigate insurance these days and what's the average price of a t2 fit rifter? Can I expect my nest egg to hold me a while, or should I work out some isk-farming methods? Lastly, are there any worthwhile ways to farm some isk in a frigate or am I better off begging, scamming, and ninja salvaging?
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:45:00 -
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Hello Ulena,
I fly in Faction Warfare and completely understand the addiction to large and/or expensive ships. I burn through about 1 billion ISK worth every month or so.
That said; a reasonably priced T2 rifter can run between 5 to 10 million a pop (at most). If you fly such ships and don't die too much (key thing here) you can expect your ISK to last for quite some time.
So by all means, go for it. Just be sure to acquaint yourself with the ships that your Rifter may not want to run into.
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Taross
Caldari
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 11:22:00 -
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A guy I know made about 300mil during his first two weeks of playing running high- and lowsec anomalies in a frigate.
A lot of them aren't woth much, but they do get faction spawns every so often. And with the occasional decent drop from those, it adds up, it seems.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:16:00 -
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Ratting, exploring, running plexes, and running level 3 missions in low sec with an assult ship can get you going in the isk grinding arena. Otherwise you will need to team up and work on some level 4's.
That being said you want to be heavily skilled for the assult ship to run the level 3's. Most of them can be knocked out fairly quicklt, but the more intense missions, The Blockade, Worlds Collide, etc. can take a good bit of warping in and out.
If you fit the assult ship for pvp you can rat fairly well and be prepared for pvp if you are careless.
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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:46:00 -
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I'm definitely going to loose a fair number of frigs my first few weeks. I haven't played in almost a year and there's quite a bit i've forgotten. Should be interesting to see if any plexes are soloable in my frigates, and perhaps find the upper limit of rat a frig can take out (i'm guessing daredevil can kill just about anything beyond a really tough bs. Although faction bs are way beyond reasonably disposable so i wouldn't be doing much pvp in those until I can find a reliable income source.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:50:00 -
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Piece of cake.
You use you real world cash to buy a PLEX (Pilot's License Extension). You then sell it in game for about 300 million ISK.
For every industrialist trying to play for free, we need a PVPer paying for it.
And, isn't it was easier to drop $15 real then spend 30 hours grinding the cash?
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:10:00 -
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 Originally by: LHA Tarawa
And, isn't it was easier to drop $15 real then spend 30 hours grinding the cash?
Thirty hours to make 300m?
What are you doing, mining in highsec?
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:21:00 -
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PI really. As long as you can use a indy you can easily make atleast a few million a day which should easily pay for a frigate pvp habit as long as you dont use all T2 and rigs...
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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:40:00 -
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I'll be using t2 fit (probably not rigged unless critical for the fit) frigates for the most part. PI sounds awful to me and everyone I know who tried it has since dropped it. As far as plex'ing goes.. if it has to come to that, so be it, but i'd rather just work a little pve into my schedule for the sake of variety if nothing else.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ulena T'shan
I'll be using t2 fit (probably not rigged unless critical for the fit) frigates for the most part. PI sounds awful to me and everyone I know who tried it has since dropped it. As far as plex'ing goes.. if it has to come to that, so be it, but i'd rather just work a little pve into my schedule for the sake of variety if nothing else.
PI isnt that bad actually. I got a 3 planet thing going and i'm turning out about 2 mil a day with 5 min worth of clicking and hauling a day.
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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: Ulena T'shan
I'll be using t2 fit (probably not rigged unless critical for the fit) frigates for the most part. PI sounds awful to me and everyone I know who tried it has since dropped it. As far as plex'ing goes.. if it has to come to that, so be it, but i'd rather just work a little pve into my schedule for the sake of variety if nothing else.
PI isnt that bad actually. I got a 3 planet thing going and i'm turning out about 2 mil a day with 5 min worth of clicking and hauling a day.
That's actually really sad.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ulena T'shan
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: Ulena T'shan
I'll be using t2 fit (probably not rigged unless critical for the fit) frigates for the most part. PI sounds awful to me and everyone I know who tried it has since dropped it. As far as plex'ing goes.. if it has to come to that, so be it, but i'd rather just work a little pve into my schedule for the sake of variety if nothing else.
PI isnt that bad actually. I got a 3 planet thing going and i'm turning out about 2 mil a day with 5 min worth of clicking and hauling a day.
That's actually really sad.
2 mil a day for basicly no work? How is that sad? It produce enough isk for me to run my pos with no problem...
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:30:00 -
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Best ways to make isk in a t1 frigate (imo):
a) FW pipes, learn them, scout them, farm them. On a good night in and around a hot-spot you can pilfer 10mil *avg* per wreck (much more if you luck out and grab some faction mods) from a t2 bc which is very common. You can do this in most any frigate, but I reccomend those with a decent cargo hold. Just fit for speed (don't use expanders, you'll make yourself a sitting duck if you accidentally get too close to the action) and follow the death trail.
b) Ninja salvaging. Scan down missioners with probe frigate, follow up with a vigil to salvage, easy isk.
I can think of a few more methods of a more nefarious nature, but i'm not sure how much of a scamming type you are. In any event, you should have no problem funding t2 fit frigate pvp if you have a little ingenuity. Moving up to faction frigs is a diffirent story though. For that you will probably need to fly very cautiously and/or supliment your bottom-feeding (sorry) with a PLEX every now and then. Alternatively, find a pvp corp with a generous ship-replacement program for tacklers and see if they will help you get into better hulls.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ulena T'shan
Should be interesting to see if any plexes are soloable in my frigates, and perhaps find the upper limit of rat a frig can take out (i'm guessing daredevil can kill just about anything beyond a really tough bs.)
Oooo... you haven't been around for awhile so I guess you haven't noticed. The Daredevil isn't the top solo frigate anymore. After Dominion they took out its drone bay and changed its bonuses slightly. It's now more of a "support" tackler.
No, the current FOTM frigate is the Dramiel. Fit it with an AB and it will be going at slow frigate MWD speeds. It also has a damage bonus and that all important drone bay. But I seem to be rambling now, so I'll shut up.
If I may, look into Ishkurs. By being able to throw out 5 light drones at the same time it can be a VERY nice deadspace runner (if your drone skills are great you might not even need to fit weapons).
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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:49:00 -
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They did WHAT to my daredevil?!
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
And, isn't it was easier to drop $15 real then spend 30 hours grinding the cash?
Thirty hours to make 300m?
What are you doing, mining in highsec?
No.. but I fly ships much bigger than frigates.
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ElJo123
Sons Of 0din
The Strangers.
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Posted - 2010.09.28 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
Oooo... you haven't been around for awhile so I guess you haven't noticed. The Daredevil isn't the top solo frigate anymore. After Dominion they took out its drone bay and changed its bonuses slightly. It's now more of a "support" tackler.
"Support" as in "doing OMGWTFBBQDPS" while having a 90% web 
It's a great ship, but less versatile than the dram (which is OP alright). Difficult to fly as far as target selection goes, considering it has no GTFO button at all.
OP: Rifters are great, Incursus is nice too (but again, less versatile). Small rigs are dirt cheap, esp. the damage ones (small projectile whatever).
Killing lone Zealots and Brutixes is fun. 
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Ulena T'shan
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Posted - 2010.09.28 19:29:00 -
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Well, i'm having a BLAST in my rifter so far. No kills ofc with my pathetic skills and lack of practice, but just taking something into hull is a neat feeling. I'm beginning to reconsider the every-frigate idea a bit though. If i do indeed move up to a dram/daredev in the next six months to a year ill definitely be flat broke very soon after. But, i'll cross that bridge when I come to it I suppose. Right now im making just enough from picking up wreck bits while roaming to stay relatively positive on income, but that's hit or miss.
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