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Jassie Lichous	Posted - 2010.09.29 03:08:00 - [1] I am setting up my, soon to be L4 mission running alt, atm and after reading lots and lots of older posts I thought iÆd ask specifically for myself as none of the older posts appear to address my specific situation. My alt has just over 15 mill SP in SUPPORT skills (i.e shield and armour tanking, T2 drones with drone interface 5 and combat drone 5, no T2 sentry yet) but very little in ship skills (Gallente/Amarr up to BC) and very little in weapons (minimal laz00r skills). My intention is to run for an Amarr LP store where, hopefully, I will make money for my PvP main from 5 run BPÆs etc and the normal bounties/salvage/loot stuff. There a couple of good Level 4 agents for this corp, one in Serpentis space and the other in Sansha space. Some of my pvp corp mates suggested I should skill up towards the rattlesnake (also to run CN) because of the already invested drone skills ive got and also because to skill up missiles from scratch and the relevant ship skills would take maybe a couple of months training. If i went this way id probably go the drake>raven>rattler route. Other corp mates have suggested I go the Domi route maybe towards a Navy Domi and then go from there. The main issue i have is that (although i find missioning in general very mind numbing as it is) iÆm not convinced about the missile route cause ive kinda already done that on my main a couple of years ago and it was painful. I also not overly keen on the domi because iÆd imagine drones are tedious in PvE and I really donÆt want to train Hybrids if i can help it at all !! (they are simply ****!) Yes, i sound like an indecisive woman...... I want something thatÆs quick to get through missions so i think thatÆs the Raven out and without training hybrids id assume thats the Domi out? So Amarr (lazors ftw!) BSÆs then onto nightmare? IÆd rather use the Serpentis agent as its nearer to my main but how well do lasers in general go against Serpentis? I know for Serpentis that the Gallente Domi would probably be best but as i said before i really donÆt wanna go hybrids and im aware that a Sentry Domi is very good but id imagine thats with T2 large guns fitted as well? Even though the damage type can be changed for the Raven i cant imagine the DPS for that ship being very good even with rigors etc against Serpentis? CNR maybe? Maybe I go the Amarr route, mission outta the Sansha agent once im comfortable with the Amarr BSs train up Caldari and get the NM? Bear in mind this is character is simply for making money for my main through missioning, if one of the options ive listed above is the best route to take to make good money missioning for as little time involved then ill re think my options. What would you recommend if you were in my position? Besides punching myself in the face for typing a wall of crap..... Thanks
Zan Shiro	Posted - 2010.09.29 04:42:00 - [2] know you don't dig missiles but....since you have an eye to serp rats caldari ships a very nice option you might want to eft up and see the dps against them. Drake, nighthawk and tengu in particular. Serp weak to kinetic, these ships get kinetic bonus, nice combo. ratted serp rats in null on drake way back. even high value 1.4's and above died easier other rats I have hit up.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.09.29 05:27:00 - [3] Originally by: Jassie Lichous What would you recommend if you were in my position? I was in your position once and decided on CNR/missiles.
Missm Uppet Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.29 05:36:00 - [4] IF you want to make money and support your PvP, best way hands down is to go the Raven>CNR route. Missiles are MUCH faster to train to a decent efficiency and choosing damage type is also very handy. Missile and ship skills to run 4's decently - 1-2 months from where you're at right now. But the same level of ISK/hr with a gun-based ship would take 3-4 times that long, and again, you wont be able to select damage type that well unless you go Domi/Rattlesnake/Minmatar ships (which have limited dmg select-ability). Rattler or Domi are not going to provide near the DPS of a CNR, but they will be decent and they are much more AFK-friendly.
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.09.29 06:51:00 - [5] Come agan? Training pure PVE alt without caring about missile skills? That doesnt sound right, no? I tried several options. Going BIG isnt the answer. Anything bigger then heavy missiles is just -> too big to hit 80% of rats which are not BS size. Specially if you go siege way. Not to mention there are nasty nasty rats in missions called "elite cruisers" which are pain to hit and basically perma tank your main weapon rack if its too big (and drones kill them pixel by pixel). Ive flown drake (still fly it) and raven (fortunately rats popped it eventually and relieved me of that misery). I would strongly suggest the drake -> nighthawk -> tengu way, then train your BS so u can fly a capital one day and do some 0sec plexes / fun things. I.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.09.29 07:39:00 - [6] You have to decide which way: Go afk (but slow): Sentry Domi (or Navy Domi if you want) Go fast (or blitzing): CNR For a Domi you dont have to skill up big hybrids if you dont want to. One gun for aggro, tractor, salvager, thats basically it. Can¦t help on the CNR though, as my main is gallente and sadly has skilled big hybrids. I can¦t resist: CCP fix blasters and rails!
Monte Shill	Posted - 2010.09.29 07:54:00 - [7] Quote: What would you recommend if you were in my position? Typhoon maybe. Has nice sized drone bay (unbonused though ) , can pack missiles and guns, gets a very nice armor buffer for pvp, and lots of mids for tackle, SB, cap injector. Dirt cheap too, didn't like the hull graphic at all until it grew on me. Hope to get finish my current training plan and be able to use it sometime early next year.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.09.29 08:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 29/09/2010 08:15:22 For killing sansha/blood rats in amarr space. Nightmare>Paladin=Machariel=Vargur>Golem=CNR, then whatever else you can think of. Now you go figure out what bs skill/s you should train to lvl 5. -- "You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden
Rip Minner Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries	Posted - 2010.09.29 14:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 29/09/2010 08:15:22 For killing sansha/blood rats in amarr space. Nightmare>Paladin=Machariel=Vargur>Golem=CNR, then whatever else you can think of. Now you go figure out what bs skill/s you should train to lvl 5. This and I dislike Missiles too. You can kill very swiftly with a Nightmare or Paladin. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.29 15:05:00 - [10] Spend the time on the NM and you will not be disappointed, of this I am sure. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.09.29 16:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Jassie Lichous My alt has just over 15 mill SP in SUPPORT skills (i.e shield and armour tanking, T2 drones with drone interface 5 and combat drone 5, no T2 sentry yet) but very little in ship skills (Gallente/Amarr up to BC) and very little in weapons (minimal laz00r skills). Some of my pvp corp mates suggested I should skill up towards the rattlesnake (also to run CN) because of the already invested drone skills ive got Drone skills are a non-issue. Unless you have (or plan to get) T2 Sentry drones, I wouldn't bother with the Rattlesnake. T2 light/medium are for frigate killing and T2 heavies are generally considered too slow for mission work. If you want to play in Serpentis space, then go with a cruise CNR. Nightmare for Sansha space. CNR if you plan on doing both. Quote: f i went this way id probably go the drake>raven>rattler route. For missioning, don't waste time on the Drake and go straight for the Raven/CNR. The faster you get into a CNR, the more isk you'll make. Quote: Other corp mates have suggested I go the Domi route maybe towards a Navy Domi and then go from there. Again, you'll want to use T2 Sentries (unless you want to semi-afk with heavies.) Sentry drone firepower will be a bit weak unless you also train up hybrids. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Jassie Lichous	Posted - 2010.09.30 01:32:00 - [12] Thanks for all the replies all. Its very handy to have all the different opinions to weigh up the possibilities.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.09.30 05:08:00 - [13] I've run in my CNR with a friend in a Kronos (for Kronos, in this argument, substitute any turret-based mission boat). My experience with missiles was that I could target ahead by two battleships, and my friend was able to blow up my target before my first salvo of missiles arrived. So simply from the point of view of pew pew, I'd go with the Nightmare - only because turret based pew pew doesn't require counting salvos and waiting a few seconds for targets to start disappearing (and then the ensuing retarget and waiting for the next salvo if you miscount or miscalculate). On the way to the nightmare, I'd suggest flying an Omen Navy Issue just for the kicks. I use that in level 3 missions and it helps keep me on my toes. I enjoy flying the Omen Navy Issue as it is screaming out to be fitted as a gank-tank, and rewards the pilot brave enough to follow its lead. The fitting for the Nightmare will end up similar - full on gank using every high and low slot for DPS, moderate shield tank in the mids. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Kizahhan	Posted - 2010.09.30 11:23:00 - [14] You can do lvl4s with 2 battle cruisers, cost maybe 50 mill each with tech 2 fits, one tank one gank. Thats alot of guns and 10 drones for very little cash. You just need 2 accounts. And having to click alot of buttons makes the mission go by a little better.
SickSeven Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.30 15:04:00 - [15] Stop *****footing around and go Vargur. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue
GGjita	Posted - 2010.10.01 05:30:00 - [16] Real simple: For Em/Therm weak enemies go Nightmare Everything else go CNR/Golem
Hathrul	Posted - 2010.10.02 21:55:00 - [17] I'd probebly go with a HAM tengu. with the dmg bonusses its one of, if not the fastest ship against serpentis. main reason why i prefer it above a CNR is becouse when theres a gate in the mission, you can usually do the entire mission in a tengu in the time it takes a cnr to get to the gate.
Elizabeth Norn	Posted - 2010.10.02 22:03:00 - [18] Originally by: AstarothPrime Come agan? Training pure PVE alt without caring about missile skills? That doesnt sound right, no? I tried several options. Going BIG isnt the answer. Anything bigger then heavy missiles is just -> too big to hit 80% of rats which are not BS size. Specially if you go siege way. Not to mention there are nasty nasty rats in missions called "elite cruisers" which are pain to hit and basically perma tank your main weapon rack if its too big (and drones kill them pixel by pixel). Ive flown drake (still fly it) and raven (fortunately rats popped it eventually and relieved me of that misery). I would strongly suggest the drake -> nighthawk -> tengu way, then train your BS so u can fly a capital one day and do some 0sec plexes / fun things. I. I'm sorry but it seems you have no idea what you're talking about, please don't make silly guesses like that and wrongly try to educate people. As for your problems with the Raven I expect you either had a bad fit (CCCs, cap power relays?) or simply didn't have enough SP to fly it properly.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.10.03 00:32:00 - [19] There are some solid choices in this thread. My suggestion is to master one, then move on to another that is wildy different and does what your first choice couldn't. For instance, having a mission ***** pilot who flies a max skilled nightmare + vargur + tengu = win.
Iceni	Posted - 2010.10.03 15:02:00 - [20] \o/ Vargur... \o/ Vargur... \o/ Vargur... A good shield tank and 800mm autocannons.
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.10.03 16:33:00 - [21] I fly L4s on 2 different accnts - one one, a Raven, on the other, a Navy Domi. I would recommend Raven over Domi. While the Domi tank is really superb if you want it to be, and easy to fly, there are actually quite a few missions that because the NPCs target drones become a real PITA. And losing a T2 drone is rather expensive. That one factor alone makes me prefer, overall, using the Raven.

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