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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.01 13:45:00 -
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Ok ... i know my fanclub is big and strong, however yesterday come to my mind combination of things which might change the FW farmerville game a bit (some of them were mentioned)
Already mentioned:
1) Timer reset - if u leave the timer buble, timer will reset. Requires commitment.
2) Rat killing - if there are rats in plex, timer is not running (or running slower)
Maybe stupid idea:
1)LPs for rats - plex lps are distributed 50/50 to timer and rats (pve motivation to stop running the **** in stabed/gunless spinners)
2) Rats web and paint and maybe some scrams(all races) - **** the speedtankers - make it challenging. And give drones to rats so Gals can send NPC hobbies to frigs.
3) Kills in plexes double or tripple the lp gains and have some(?) impact on timers
4) Kills in system have limited impact on plex spawns
5) Kills in systems have impact on faction navy spawns (some shiny loots) - just and idea ... did not get it through properly.
Lets SMACK IT!
Have some other ideas, but they are too fresh.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
346
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:06:00 -
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FarmVille 2.0...
I agree that FW is completely ******.
But with every release CCP just removes one ISK faucet and makes a new one...
Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
142
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:02:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:FarmVille 2.0...
I agree that FW is completely ******.
But with every release CCP just removes one ISK faucet and makes a new one...
well I am not sure if my ideas can correct it ... but at least they can push people to shoot things ....
I understand some people play the game for pve (kinda), but what is really ******** are stabed gunless t1 frigs spinning the button in space to make isk.
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
128
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:08:00 -
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Good post HS.
I posted this thread in feedback last night. Agree or disagree, I don't care. Just please everyone go post something so perhaps they will pay attention. :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139185&find=unread
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
65
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:08:00 -
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If you are so concerned about stabbed gunless frigs farming LP then crash the plex they are in. But wait, that would require you to stop offensive plexing to do so. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
143
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:11:00 -
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Schalac wrote:If you are so concerned about stabbed gunless frigs farming LP then crash the plex they are in. But wait, that would require you to stop offensive plexing to do so.
well i kinda have problem catching them .... as they are not afk .... they usually warp away :)
alfa thrashers are kinda best :)
why u mad about me doing both off and def plexing? U FARMER!!!! ..... Villagers take the forks and torches and kill THE FARMER!
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Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
78
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:13:00 -
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Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".
Or both.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
144
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:16:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".
Or both.
huh .... FW is definitely not isk sink (maybe for noobs or Amarrs) now.
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
128
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:19:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".
Or both.
It can still be both a faucet and sink while requiring plexing ships with guns. Even Highsec mission runners, incursions, and exploration require you to shoot something.
It's broken. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
144
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:21:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Someone either doesn't understand what an "ISK Faucet" is or doesn't understand how Factional Warfare is actually an "ISK Sink".
Or both. It can still be both a faucet and sink while requiring plexing ships with guns. Even Highsec mission runners, incursions, and exploration require you to shoot something. It's broken.
yeah .... my main point was to force people to act to gain .... not to spin (however this idea is quite old in FW)
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
87
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:22:00 -
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FW is purrfect as is. 
Is sexy time? |
Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
78
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:33:00 -
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Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink".
EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK.
Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided.
ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided.
Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity.
You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets).
The more you know.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
87
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:48:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg
Xuixien wrote:
The more you know.
Is sexy time? |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
128
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:50:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink". EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK. Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided. ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided. Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity. You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets). The more you know.
It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
78
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:54:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink". EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK. Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided. ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided. Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity. You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets). The more you know. It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard.
Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
131
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:06:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink". EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK. Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided. ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided. Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity. You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets). The more you know. It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard. Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts.
Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer?
I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on.
Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
78
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:17:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink". EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK. Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided. ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided. Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity. You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets). The more you know. It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard. Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts. Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer? I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on. Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes.
No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
144
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:55:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Hrett wrote:Xuixien wrote:Alright, I'll clear up the general ignorance ITT regarding "ISK Faucet" and "ISK Sink". EVE has such a strong economy, even after almost 10 years of up-time, due to something the developers have implemented called "ISK Balance". There are three components to this: ISK Facuets, the general "ISK Pool", and ISK Sinks. ISK Faucets add ISK to the game (the general "ISK Pool") and ISK Sinks remove ISK. Now, ISK Faucets create ISK that didn't exist in the game before. Explanation in link provided. ISK Sinks remove ISK from the game. Explanation in link provided. Factional Warfare is an ISK Sink because it permanently removes ISK from the game via the LP store - items cost ISK to purchase, and this ISK vanishes to eternity. You're confusing "ISK redistribution" (ie, the Market) with "ISK creation" (ie, ISK Facuets). The more you know. It is Botha faucet and a sink (mission rewards and LP purchases). Neither of those have anything to do with the fact that people who earn LP from plexing should be required to fit guns to their ships and/or be at their keyboard. Yes. Missions are an ISK Faucet. However overall FW is not. And while this doesn't have anything to do with your opinions on plexing, it does demonstrate that you are woefully ignorant about basic EVE concepts. Hmmm. So you admit I am right about it being both a faucet and a sink and am still woefully ignorant about it being both a faucet and sink? You also admit that whole point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. So why even bring it up? What are you? Some kind of space-lawyer? I am also admittedly ignorant about the basic eve concepts of: mining, industrial production, star base construction, PI and well the list goes on. Regardless, none of those have anything to do with gunless skilless alts farming plexes. No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.
sigh
troll posts are this way >>>>>
if u want to bash people enjoy somewhere else ....
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Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
78
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:58:00 -
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Do I have to explain what "trolling" is now, too?
Rabble Rabble!! |
Lugalzagezi666
46
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:00:00 -
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Fw was ruined the moment they introduced ******** fw missions that could be solo farmed with uncatchable ship (not to mention for a few months you could reject them without any penalty). Farming lps with few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs is just nail in the coffin for fw. It is nothing like fw used to be 2-3 years ago, ccp just managed to turn it into faction farmfest.
I find this thread interesting, but unless the mechanics will be changed, it is similar to waiting for the mission farmer in smartbombing blackops. You might kill a few of them, but in the end it is waste of your time. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
Caldari State Capturing
183
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:16:00 -
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there is no need to change plexing mechanics.
If you really want to fix FW remove special lp store offers and tier system. |
Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
8
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Posted - 2012.08.01 22:17:00 -
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Plex farming is a problem because of the LP reward/risk ratio is too high. Therefore people do it.
Simply reduce LP rewards for plexing....... say 1,000 - 2,500 - 5,000.
give the LP for both offensive and defensive.
and maybe (but I don't think it's needed) increase LP for pvp kills.
Reduce the LP reward/risk ratio for plexing and the plex farmers will move away to more lucrative pastures.
This would still give rewards to those who want to plex to get the benefits of warzone/system control (docking, reduced LP stores etc) and rewards those who are actively engaging in pvp for their militia.
For a long time there was now 'incentive' in game other than what a player gave themselves to plex etc. Now there is too much. Reduce it down and a balance will be achieved.
This is the Tao - The Way - The Universe Desires Balance. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
144
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:39:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Plex farming is a problem because of the LP reward/risk ratio is too high. Therefore people do it.
Simply reduce LP rewards for plexing....... say 1,000 - 2,500 - 5,000.
give the LP for both offensive and defensive.
and maybe (but I don't think it's needed) increase LP for pvp kills.
Reduce the LP reward/risk ratio for plexing and the plex farmers will move away to more lucrative pastures.
This would still give rewards to those who want to plex to get the benefits of warzone/system control (docking, reduced LP stores etc) and rewards those who are actively engaging in pvp for their militia.
For a long time there was now 'incentive' in game other than what a player gave themselves to plex etc. Now there is too much. Reduce it down and a balance will be achieved.
This is the Tao - The Way - The Universe Desires Balance.
partially agree ... it is also popular because every 10 days alt can do it.
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Renier Gaden
Exanimo Inc
Anger Management.
12
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:08:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:
No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.
Just to confirm what you are talking about, since you chose to infer it rather than say it plainly, are you saying that since LP is not ISK and selling stuff purchased with LP for ISK is simply a redistribution of the ISK already existing in the ISK Pool, that FW is not an ISK Faucet?
I think the intentional attempt at obfuscation in order to prolong your argument could arguably be grounds for a claim of GÇ£TrollingGÇ¥. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
83
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Posted - 2012.08.02 18:18:00 -
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Renier Gaden wrote:Xuixien wrote:
No, you weren't right about anything. You claimed FW was an "ISK Faucet". You were wrong. The fact is right now FW is one of the biggest ISK Sinks in the game. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. You don't have to admit you were wrong, but really, you'd save more face by keeping your mouth shut than trying to argue about it.
Just to confirm what you are talking about, since you chose to infer it rather than say it plainly, are you saying that since LP is not ISK and selling stuff purchased with LP for ISK is simply a redistribution of the ISK already existing in the ISK Pool, that FW is not an ISK Faucet? I think the intentional attempt at obfuscation in order to prolong your argument could arguably be grounds for a claim of GÇ£TrollingGÇ¥.
Mate, I already explained the concept of "ISK Faucets" and "ISK Sinks", and explained why Factional Warfare is the latter and not the former. What you call "obfuscation" is really your own trouble understanding what I said.
Rabble Rabble!! |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
141
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Posted - 2012.08.02 19:10:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:
Mate, I already explained the concept of "ISK Faucets" and "ISK Sinks", and explained why Factional Warfare is the latter and not the former. What you call "obfuscation" is really your own trouble understanding what I said.
It's largely because when people talk Facets/Sinks they're talking game economy as a whole and most people are not viewing the game on a scale beyond their own personal wallet and just see they're making oodles of ISK even it it's not directly. |
Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:07:00 -
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I don't think there's anything wrong with making money off of Faction Warfare. It's the way most of eve works. Control an area so it can be farmed of its resources. There's a certain balance in risk/vs reward or what you need to be able to bring fleet wise to preserve your claim to a resource.
In faction warfare this is completely out of whack. You don't need any real skill what so ever to farm LP all day long in a t1 frigate with nothing but a warp core stab on it. In fact, you are actually rewarded more for doing so, because it makes you barely even worth the effort of killing in an unfit ship and empty clone.
I agree with this thread and fully support a nerf to orbiting plex timers in gunless frigates.
I also support any mechanic that either forces you to stay in the plex or in some way punishes you for leaving it, like maybe you lose LP if an opposing militia member chases you out and flies into the timer radius.
In the mean time I'll keep killing unfit frigs every chance I get, if nothing else just to cut into their isk/hr.
We should figure out a way to boycott FW until CCP fixes it. Maybe shooting farming alts is the answer, even when they are of the same faction. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
289
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:16:00 -
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getting rid of being able to farm vulnerable systems is probably all that needs to be done. Will force PVP as everyone will have to go to the contested systems. Will also get rid of a lot of the farmers as their main source of LP will be gone
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