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Lord Qe
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:31:00 -
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buying a new puter today... and ive Never used an AMD processor in any of my comps....
-Windows 7 64-bit -AMD Athlon II 245 Dual-Core Processor 2.9Ghz 2MB L2 up to 4000 mhz bus. -2Gb Ram -320Gb Hard-drive -1Gb ATI Radeon Graphics Card..
My question is this... ive only ever used Intel processors, what difference If any is there between AMD and Intel? thx ahead of time yall |
okst666
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:32:00 -
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AMD processors are cheaper..thats all.
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Lord Qe
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:34:00 -
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So.. they work exactly the same? there wont be any difference in what i do, day 2 day on a gaming machine? im not an over-clocker either.. |
okst666
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: okst666 on 02/10/2010 22:40:03 from what I know, an AMD cpu is more open to overclocking than intel...(but I might be wrong)..basically they will both run your software. Your software in general and Eve in special will work just fine.
I am sitting right now on a amd phenom II 9blablasomething...works perfectly and fast!
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Lord Qe
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:40:00 -
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excellent thanx man
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QT McWhiskers
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:42:00 -
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AMD and Intel, while they refuse to admit it, rely on each others technology. You will find that mid to low end AMD processors are better and cheaper than mid to low end intel processors. The only real difference is, Intel can claim that they have a processor that can smoke AMD in every way shape and form... For the low low price of over a 1000 US. Contrary to popular belief, its only the benchmarks where intel smokes amd in gaming. When you get right down to it, when you are gaming, you are NOT going to notice one bit of difference in similar sytems of the amd and intel brand.
Hell, even the opterons and Xeons are nearly the same.
Simply put, unless you are buying the super expensive, or are overclocking to the point of absurdity, then you will not notice a difference between AMD and Intel. (Btw, 100 and 105 fps is not a noticable difference.)
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Talanayaa
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:44:00 -
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I use both and frankly there is no difference. On my Phenom II rig everything works smoothly. You should have in mind that Athlon II is their low cost processor so it's somewhat less powerful than Phenoms are but I think EVE will work perfectly well anyway.
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okst666
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:45:00 -
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Are you sure you want to run windows7 64Bit with 2GB ram?
I suggest 4 to 8 GB ram for windows7 64Bit.. 4 with 32Bit Windows7.
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Talanayaa
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: okst666 Are you sure you want to run windows7 64Bit with 2GB ram?
I suggest 4 to 8 GB ram for windows7 64Bit.. 4 with 32Bit Windows7.
And btw this guy is right. RAM is cheap get 4gb. Im running EVE in the background got some google chrome windows opened and other non important utility software and Win7x64 reports using 1.6 GBs atm.
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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:49:00 -
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QT is rigth the yshare alot of Design, becaus in simple terms there is only one way we make processors now. Its kinda like Cars, most cars now adays use the same Tec IE Pistons/Rods/Crankshaft and depending on how much you spend on it you get similiar performance.
I am an AMD fan simply because when I can spend 300 Dollars on a CPU I can ge ta 3 ghz 4 Core Beast that is overclocked [Using AMD BLACK] while that 300 would get me a Dual Core 2 GHZ Chip with Intel.
Graphics card is where you should worry so I`d go AMD save alot of Money and buy a Moonster crazy fast card. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:08:00 -
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Should have gotten an Intel i7 quad core....
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge Should have gotten an Intel i7 quad core....
Yeah and triple the price of his build while he is at it.....idiot
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 03/10/2010 01:29:05
Originally by: okst666 Are you sure you want to run windows7 64Bit with 2GB ram?
I suggest 4 to 8 GB ram for windows7 64Bit.. 4 with 32Bit Windows7.
The extra $50 bucks for 2 more gigs (DDR2 anyway) is well worth it. Used to run Windows 7 64 bit with 2 gigs of ram, and the OS practically used up half of it. It ran Eve fine, could even dualbox, but it's just SO much nicer with 4, which I just got. Can't comment on 64 vs 32 though.
edit: Also, I'm using an AMD Phenom II 555 BE or something like that, works great!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:29:00 -
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AMD came around when Intel started slacking off, now they both good Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 03/10/2010 01:55:38 Buying quality RAM is more important than the intel/amd debate.
Be sure you get low latency high performance name brand RAM. Do not get "Value Ram" or whatever is cheapest. Cheap RAM is one of the top causes of "unknown" bugs and weird crashes in a computer.
So many times I've gotten a computer where a customer claimed they just bought it, I'd crack the case and see: Kingston Value RAM...
4GB of REALLY good ram is better than 12gb of value RAM.
Lastly, get a solid state hard drive. A normal "disk" drive is the number one bottleneck in a PC these days as it's a mechanical device that requires a "needle" to seek across a magnetic disk. Imagine booting Windows in less than 10 seconds. No, this is not an exaggeration.
Think of your hard drive as a skyscrap.er.
On a solid state drive, your computer can find a bathroom by the number on the door and beam you to it.
With a disk drive, it needs to go into the front door, wait for the elevator, ride it up, then walk down the hall.
EDIT: Seriously... Skyscr@per?
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul Lastly, get a solid state hard drive. A normal "disk" drive is the number one bottleneck in a PC these days as it's a mechanical device that requires a "needle" to seek across a magnetic disk. Imagine booting Windows in less than 10 seconds. No, this is not an exaggeration.
What say you about a small SSD to boot from, then a normal (big) hard drive for everything not OS related?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 03/10/2010 02:13:02
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Zagdul Lastly, get a solid state hard drive. A normal "disk" drive is the number one bottleneck in a PC these days as it's a mechanical device that requires a "needle" to seek across a magnetic disk. Imagine booting Windows in less than 10 seconds. No, this is not an exaggeration.
What say you about a small SSD to boot from, then a normal (big) hard drive for everything not OS related?
I have a 32 gig for my OS + EVE. 32 just barely cuts it for size but is worth it in speed. The drive cost me about 90 USD. If you can afford a 64GB SSD or larger, try to aim for it.
Everything else is installed on a 500gb 32 mb cache SATA II 3gb/s normal disk drive.
The size of a hard drive doesn't determine how fast it is.
The cache (32MB), data transfer (3GB/s SATA II) and read/write (8ms) of the drive does. Many people think the HHD works like (not saying you... just for others reading this) RAM where more = better. More = storage space, nothing more.
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:12:00 -
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in the low to mid range, there is no difference,
but the I-cores are just a little better then the phenom (sp?)
you will not notice any real difference, its a CPU :P
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 03/10/2010 02:13:02
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Zagdul Lastly, get a solid state hard drive. A normal "disk" drive is the number one bottleneck in a PC these days as it's a mechanical device that requires a "needle" to seek across a magnetic disk. Imagine booting Windows in less than 10 seconds. No, this is not an exaggeration.
What say you about a small SSD to boot from, then a normal (big) hard drive for everything not OS related?
I have a 32 gig for my OS + EVE. 32 just barely cuts it for size but is worth it in speed. The drive cost me about 90 USD. If you can afford a 64GB SSD or larger, try to aim for it.
Everything else is installed on a 500gb 32 mb cache SATA II 3gb/s normal disk drive.
The size of a hard drive doesn't determine how fast it is.
The cache (32MB), data transfer (3GB/s SATA II) and read/write (8ms) of the drive does. Many people think the HHD works like (not saying you... just for others reading this) RAM where more = better. More = storage space, nothing more.
Right, I was just clarifying big to differentient it from the small SSD. I might have to get one when I have the money..
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Mr LaForge Should have gotten an Intel i7 quad core....
Yeah and triple the price of his build while he is at it.....idiot
What region do you live in that intel is 3 times as much? I only paid 300 for a 2.8 i7 and board. |
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Kizahhan
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:53:00 -
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Get more ram, CPU is fine for EvE, GPU no idea what kind it is, so cant help you there.
I just hope this computer was under 400 bucks, if not, keep looking. If they skimped out on Ram I bet they put in a low end video card too.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Simply Human
Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Mr LaForge Should have gotten an Intel i7 quad core....
Yeah and triple the price of his build while he is at it.....idiot
What region do you live in that intel is 3 times as much? I only paid 300 for a 2.8 i7 and board.
The cheapest i7 you can get here is $280 add a mobo onto that The cpu he quoted is $55 add a mobo onto that he between $100-125
Your i7 would put him around 400
thats 3-4x
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.03 05:46:00 -
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The title of x86 performance king cycles between AMD and Intel (as well as Cyrix on one occasion back in the 90's). AMD usually have a better price/performance ratio, while Intel has expensive top performers.
Cyrix burnt to the ground and got stomped on. Via bought the leftovers and are still producing CPU's for low-performance applications. AMD and Intel lived happily ever after until their mutual licencing agreements enabling them to use eachothers' technologies expired, and nVidia took over the world using patents aquired from the now defunct Transmeta.
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Gravemind GER
Caldari Pyromaniac Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.03 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill AMD usually have a better price/performance ratio, while Intel has expensive top performers.
Its like ATI/AMD vs. Nvidia.... ATI have a better price/performance ratio than Nvidia, Nvidia's cards are sucking your wallet and your energy you pay monthly, while ATI's cards are cheap for your wallet and still have a very good Performance.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.03 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/10/2010 07:14:21
Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Simply Human
Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Mr LaForge Should have gotten an Intel i7 quad core....
Yeah and triple the price of his build while he is at it.....idiot
What region do you live in that intel is 3 times as much? I only paid 300 for a 2.8 i7 and board.
The cheapest i7 you can get here is $280 add a mobo onto that The cpu he quoted is $55 add a mobo onto that he between $100-125
Your i7 would put him around 400
thats 3-4x
Maybe you should have checked who he replied to before calling someone an idiot, just as random idea.
He replied to someone stating you cannot get more than a 2GHz dual core intel for 300 dollar, but he could get a 3GHz quad core AMD for that price. Which is obviously complete BS. I got myself a core i5 750 a while ago, simply because at that moment it had better performance than similar priced AMDs (yes including motherboard). Sometimes intel is cheaper, sometimes AMD, but usually the differences arent too big.
Oh and @ OP, ignore that rant about valueram and SSDs. Valueram is fine and SSDs are nice, if you have alot of extra money to spend. Also mainly because it will indeed give a huge boost to startup times, but in a game you shouldnt notice it. And quick startup you can also do by putting your comp in standby.
Finally to answer the OP, you will not notice any difference in day to day use of your computer. It is not like you have to download special programs or something, intel and AMD both are allowed to use most of each others technologies to prevent that.
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Skyla Kavatina
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Posted - 2010.10.03 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 03/10/2010 01:29:05
Originally by: okst666 Are you sure you want to run windows7 64Bit with 2GB ram?
I suggest 4 to 8 GB ram for windows7 64Bit.. 4 with 32Bit Windows7.
The extra $50 bucks for 2 more gigs (DDR2 anyway) is well worth it. Used to run Windows 7 64 bit with 2 gigs of ram, and the OS practically used up half of it. It ran Eve fine, could even dualbox, but it's just SO much nicer with 4, which I just got. Can't comment on 64 vs 32 though.
edit: Also, I'm using an AMD Phenom II 555 BE or something like that, works great!
I wish DDR2 was that cheap in the UK. It's nearly tripled in price in the last 12 months. I bought 2 gig of Ballistix DDR2 a bit over a year ago for ú35 and it's ú91 for the same today.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.03 09:24:00 -
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your regular day to day net browsing has led me to find many differences in prices between US and Europe. We must have some sort of tax or something over here.
clicked on an add on massively for a razor naga in it was like 75 dollars, so I thought great, should get it for about 50 euros over here. Turns out its 71 euros here in Europe, so I thought my local greedy reseller is just trying to make a living, ill just order from the states, and pay the shipping, but behold, its 70 euros on razors site as well
changing the currency from dollar to euro changes the price from 75 dollars to 71 euros
I know its not their fault, and that they probably sell it for the exact same price, and because of taxes or whatever, the price fors up here, but damn it, id like to have cheap computer equipment as well...
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wah bok
Caldari Copperhead Arsenal
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Posted - 2010.10.03 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 03/10/2010 01:55:38 Buying quality RAM is more important than the intel/amd debate.
So many times I've gotten a computer where a customer claimed they just bought it, I'd crack the case and see: Kingston Value RAM...
4GB of REALLY good ram is better than 12gb of value RAM. ith a disk drive, it needs to go into the front door, wait for the elevator, ride it up, then walk down the hall.
So what RAM would you suggst ?
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AFK Master
AFK Chartered System Management
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Posted - 2010.10.03 10:42:00 -
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I used AMD for years but moved over to intel again when they brought out the Core duo. Never did have a pentium after it went to stage II. The Athlon CPU was awesome for many years and intel struggled with the bad pentium design trying to play the Mhz game with AMD. AMD were very good for over cloaking and as before some are now. Some were better than others at overclocking but it depended on the model, same goes for intel.
For gaming an i5 would suffice, as there are not really any games that take full advantage of the i7's capabilities. This will change no doubt, but the i5 is a cracking CPU with masses of overclocking potential. But if you have the money, then the i7 is a great choice.
Can't say much about the lastest AMD CPU's but I do here some great things about them, regarding overclocking etc. It used to be that AMD ran slightly hotter than intel, but this may have changed.
Both Intel and AMD make great CPU's, but speed wise, Intel took the lead a while back. I've been out of the loop for some time, in regards to the overclocking community. Just taking the occasional glance at it now and then.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.10.03 11:30:00 -
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Intel vs AMD, computationally they operate similarly. Architecturally they have significant differences with some similarities. I don't know about now but in the past AMD licensed technology from Intel in order to produce chips.
A good starting point would be wikipedia searching for each brand of current cpu. You should get an overview of the differences. It's a very detailed subject, more than I care to know. However, all of the computers I've built have used AMD CPU's from the AMD K6 series to the present. Generally, AMD has always been cheaper and usually so that you received more performance for your dollar.
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