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Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.06 00:13:00 - [31] Edited by: Miagi Sans on 06/10/2010 00:15:26 Heya all Just to clarify...we did not keep the money...we made pvp ships and put them all on contract for players in the alliance to take as they needed (frigates and cruisers mostly...lots of rifters :P ) we didn't keep it for profit. And like i said, they are people playing for less than a month, they were really happy about it and we had alot of fun. again...we did not keep the money, rather we made em all pvp ships for some roaming and plans we are making (we input all the high end minerals straight from our reserves from our last wh foray - and those were the ones I mined...i dont ask anything from our members).
Arkanor Gallente Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2010.10.06 05:37:00 - [32] Edited by: Arkanor on 06/10/2010 05:43:06 Edited by: Arkanor on 06/10/2010 05:42:08 Originally by: Miagi Sans Profit per pilot after the 100mil was taken out...was about 15.6 million isk per person for just 3 hours, or roughly 5.2 mil isk per hour per person. Thats not bad, and 5 of our miners have been playing for less than a month...to them this was an amazing payout and they were very happy, flying in retrievers. The other 4 experienced players, 2 were in hulks and 1 switched out between a hulk and orca when needed. So yes you can make some decent money in a given time. I have 1 corp member who makes 20 mil every 5 hours in a retreiver in hi sec, he makes Bookmarks in the center of each belt in a system and just mines everything in range of those bookmarks. Granted they're new players, I'll give them that, but: Drake some sanctums in 0.0, and that's worth 25-30m an hour, on single account, with skills that are doable in less than 3 months. Hisec L4's in a Drake will probably bring about as much, and I think the high end is around 80m/hr for really flashy setups (faction mods, probably a second salvage char, etc.) I got addicted to trading though and it's made me too lazy to rat anymore. I can't imagine mining (and yeah, I've tried it, got probably a million skillpoints ****ed away into that tree). To OP: If you like the idea of mining, and find it fun, go for it. If you want to make ISK: Listen to Akita, he tells the truth. Do you really want the value of your time to be determined by how long people run their mining bots and others with literally no business sense?
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.10.06 11:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Sully O'noh Hi there, I'am a newbie and doing right now the Tutorials ingame. What kind of adivce can you guys give me to become a good miner who makes some good profit with this profession? Thank you for any help. Greetings Sully Firstly, Welcome to Eve, it's a harsh horrible yet glorious pvp game, sure you can play it solo\pure pve\anyway you personally like but you'll miss a lot if you do. Becomming a "good" miner is a bit of a trek though and then perfecting it more so. I believe you can get into a hulk (if you can afford it) in a little under a month. Perfecting the skills so you get max or will then take something like 3 months. After all that you'll make some money but no where near as much as if that time was invested in pve mission running skills. If you enjoy mining, then go for it, follow the various mining guides out there, usual approach seems to be mining frig mining cruiser exhumer If it's purely about making the maximum isk, then it's best to shop around and see what else there is to do. Or cut to the chase and sell game time cards, then you can just focus on whatever your end goal of having the money is. Personally, I spent my first few months in game getting into a hulk and mining, If I could get the sp back and spend it in different areas, I would. Same goes for all my industry\science skills. Turns out, for me, breaking toys > making toys -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.10.06 13:39:00 - [34] You should do what you think is fun in EvE, and ignore folks who think that the only way to have fun in EvE is to maximize profits. That's THEIR game...you can make your own.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.06 16:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Arkanor Edited by: Arkanor on 06/10/2010 05:43:06 Edited by: Arkanor on 06/10/2010 05:42:08 Originally by: Miagi Sans Profit per pilot after the 100mil was taken out...was about 15.6 million isk per person for just 3 hours, or roughly 5.2 mil isk per hour per person. Thats not bad, and 5 of our miners have been playing for less than a month...to them this was an amazing payout and they were very happy, flying in retrievers. The other 4 experienced players, 2 were in hulks and 1 switched out between a hulk and orca when needed. So yes you can make some decent money in a given time. I have 1 corp member who makes 20 mil every 5 hours in a retreiver in hi sec, he makes Bookmarks in the center of each belt in a system and just mines everything in range of those bookmarks. Granted they're new players, I'll give them that, but: Drake some sanctums in 0.0, and that's worth 25-30m an hour, on single account, with skills that are doable in less than 3 months. Hisec L4's in a Drake will probably bring about as much, and I think the high end is around 80m/hr for really flashy setups (faction mods, probably a second salvage char, etc.) I got addicted to trading though and it's made me too lazy to rat anymore. I can't imagine mining (and yeah, I've tried it, got probably a million skillpoints ****ed away into that tree). To OP: If you like the idea of mining, and find it fun, go for it. If you want to make ISK: Listen to Akita, he tells the truth. Do you really want the value of your time to be determined by how long people run their mining bots and others with literally no business sense? well you just stressed my point, for a new player, the amount of money made that one night was more than they could ever do solo still. Yes we know there is alot more money in null....but some of us don't live in null atm :P
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.10.16 00:43:00 - [36] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 16/10/2010 00:44:36 "Wrong:" Retriever -> Hulk -> Hulk with T2 strips and crystals. "Correct:" Retriever -> Retriever with T2 strips and crystals -> Hulk. A retriever with 2x T2 strips will mine near as much as Hulk with 3x T1, without the extra weeks of waiting. Saves you a few weeks of ship-spinning.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.16 04:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Dr BattleSmith A retriever with 2x T2 strips will mine near as much as Hulk with 3x T1 For pretty weird definitions of "nearly" only. That's 1,260 base for Retriever (T2 crystals) and 1,620 for Hulk. But then, the other bonuses kick in (the 1.15 vs max 1.12 from barge, another 1.09 or 1.12 from exhumers 3 or 4, 1.25 vs probably 1.2 from astrogeo and so on), and it adds up quite fast. Notto speak of the HUGE cargohold either. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Celgar Thurn Minmatar Uttindar Union for Minmatarian Affairs	Posted - 2010.10.16 14:12:00 - [38] I have been playing EVE for a few months now and would say once you have a Retriever with Strip Miner I's you will make more isk from mining in high sec than doing level one missions even with agents at 19 quality(not including 'Social'skill bonuses.This is based on selling the ore unprocessed vs mission reward & time bonus and hoarding the salvaged materials/modules etc. I do like to hoard.Plus if you take the full industrialist route all that salvage with prove very useful to you.Currently selling Rich Plagioclase at 30 isk per unit.Mind you only selling ore until I get set up to be able to fully utilise the ore for my own/corp purposes. On the other hand I would recommend you do level one missions and PI(Planetary Interaction)as well. You don't want to be doing just one thing as that will be a little boring.
Mike TheMiner	Posted - 2010.10.16 14:55:00 - [39] Dont listen to that akita nob, its an ok way of making ISK as long as you are willing to put ALOT of hours in.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.16 18:19:00 - [40] Yup, and being a one-and-a-half-jobs burger-flipper is also an ok way to make just barely enough money to live and pay mortgage on a tiny apartment if only you're willing to work round the clock for it too ! JUST like highsec mining ! Don't let any "*nob*s" tell you there are better ways to make money, you know it in your heart you can be the best burger-flipper in the world too ! And all the perks you get, the camaraderie with the rest of the people, the way you can get revenge on people that are mean to you by spitting (or worse) in their food, all that free downtime whenever nobody's around to order anything... that's paradise, amirite ? JUST like highsec mining ! _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _

Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.16 20:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Kesshisan on 16/10/2010 20:42:19 I'm taking up mining. I can make 20mil isk per hour other ways, but I'm taking up mining. And here's why: I am a student, and I have homework to do. I can't make 20mil isk per hour while doing homework. However, I will be able to make a small amount of isk per hour by sitting in a mining barge and mining in high sec while barely paying attention. This isk may not be "OMG game breaking" but it is more isk per hour than I was making otherwise. Additionally, many of the mining barge skills cross with the Industrial skills I will be training up too, so it's not like I'm going in a direction I didn't want to go anyways. If you are content to sit still, and make low isk per hour while reading, doing homework, watching TV, etc. Then mining is probably for you. If you'd rather pew pew and make high amounts of isk per hour, then train up to be a combat fighter. You can be running rank 4s in about 2.5 months (maybe less) if you focus properly.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Akita T on 16/10/2010 21:23:00 Precisely. Highsec mining is mostly-AFK income. As long as you don't expect a lot of ISK from it, and you can't dedicate more attention to playing, it will do fine. P.S. However, mining is not the only mostly-AKF income source. Just one of the easiest to get into. Doing P.I. with low cycle times also qualifies in this category. The fun part ? You can combine both. Heh. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Desurian	Posted - 2010.10.17 00:54:00 - [43] Good grief Akita I've got to side with Momus. Not everyone is going to be comfortable with everything you suggest. I'm certainly not and I've been playing for more than a minute. I'm not interested in null sec or even low sec. In fact the whole reason I became a miner is because I got nailed on a mission by pirates in low-sec. I was so busy not dieing I didn't even notice them slide right up and beat me shipless. I'd only had the cruiser a few days and from that moment forward I haven't set foot in Low-sec. Mining is awesome if you aren't out for the absolute best income task. Mining in high-sec and the right place, lets you read about all the other things that can be done in Eve. It lets you research fits, professions and game-play dynamics and all the while you're making money. You can get comfortable with the interface and navigation and all sorts of things. And if you plan ahead a little, Mining is the most forgiving profession I can think of. It also given you a solid foundation to build on if you want to go into manufacturing or buying and selling with the profit's mining brings in. One thing you waxed sarcastic about was the low cargo capacity of mining cruisers and retrievers and how bad an idea it was to solo jet-can mine and while the thought applies to low-sec it does not in high-sec. I setup a ring of Giant Secure Cargo containers to solve the problem of storage and security and never had a problem. Fill the GSC's, come back with an industrial to clean em out and start over. While it might not be an engaging profession to you, it was for me and no doubt could and is for others. All that glitters is not necessarily gold... it's not just the ISK that was rewarding, it was managing the logistics solo or working with a few other people without the ever present threat of destruction and failure. It's a nice, low stress past time, that none the less snow balls over time into more and more income. Sufficient enough to keep a guy, who one day might consider some PvP for example, swimming in enough Isk's to replace those ships he will inevitably lose (Like I did back in low-sec over a year ago) without cringing.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Desurian Mining is awesome if you aren't out for the absolute best income task. Quoted key part. And even that is a slight exaggeration. More like "(highsec) mining is decent if you don't really care that much about amount of ISK you make". The OP reads as if he does care a noticeable deal about ISK. Too bad he hasn't said anything since then. That's his only post in this forum. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Desurian	Posted - 2010.10.17 13:34:00 - [45] Mining is a good profession to start out in even if you are out for the absolute best income possible for all the other reasons I pointed out. As a newb mining gives you time to get comfortable with the game and learn about all that eve has to offer while still making some progress. It is a lot less hit or miss than anything else and doesn't require nearly as much encyclopedic knowledge of the ships, rigs, modules and weapons in the game to succeed. If you're out for the most possible income its just a spring board to get you some starting capital and some in game experience.
Marius Wolfe	Posted - 2010.10.17 21:51:00 - [46] High sec mining is also a decent way to make a little extra money while doing market research, remotely adjusting orders, S&I jobs, PI, etc. While you could do AFK missions at the same time I find it requires less attention (flying and pulling decent missions.)
asdfasdfadfasdf	Posted - 2010.10.18 15:54:00 - [47] dont start mining its very boring... go play missions and stuff instead until you get to know the game. Mining is only fun if you have big knowledge of game and alot of accoutns
Ysek	Posted - 2010.10.19 06:54:00 - [48] Okay so, im an relatively new player too and i startet mining as well.. As you all suggest Mission running is such a good income, where can i find a decent guide to it ? (like Halada did for mining) Just as a side-note im only mining and on sunday/monday i just lost 2 ospreys on a single frikin day, damn that hurt my wallet.. so now im farming for a new osprey in my god ol bantam..
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.19 07:21:00 - [49] I think that Akita's spiel is a public service that educates newbies on the horror that is mining. It is good if you don't need to be active at the same time, but if you want to PLAY then you should be doing more interesting things. These interesting things are also more profitable, so newbies should not be pressured to mine in order to get isk.
Pigcess Leia Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:03:00 - [50] OP, let me tell ya something.....solo mining sux hardcore. Find an indy corp accepting newbies and jump in!! Read the guide mentioned earlier and set a long term industrial goal to get you through the long hours of poppin rocks. I started off solo mining, joined a small corp, made some good iskies, and then joined a larger 0.0 corp as an industrialist. 1 year from creating my toon, I'm in a Hulk tanking multi BS + BC/C/frig spawns, researching BPOs, doing invention, and building cap ships. Most of my isk comes from selling rigs and ships in 0.0 space. And if you want a break from looking at rocks or need some quick cash for a skill book, mod, w/e run a couple anomalies. As for the transition from miner to PvP - your support skills needed for the Hulk added with some missile/gunnery skills put you into a shield-tanked PvP ship quite nicely Just my .02

Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.10.20 16:50:00 - [51] A lobotomy would be a good start. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Hori To Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2010.10.20 17:05:00 - [52] mining pro/con list pro : social activity afk'ish makes isk con: the actual gameplay part is too easy every other activity in the game will net you more isk/hr feel free to add and/or correct the list :)
Rip Minner Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries	Posted - 2010.10.22 04:45:00 - [53] If you realy wish to be the best miner you can be then start here by reading this. http://www.lsjv-eve.com/guide/ Then second get alot of beer and a mic make friends to chat with as you mine. Your going to need the company. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Professor JinMine	Posted - 2010.10.22 07:32:00 - [54] Mining may not be the best isk generating job, but it does let you relax. Get to the retriever setup first, and see if you like it. If yes, go for a hulk. If not, do something else. By then you should know where good belts are and which minerals sell well. You would also have learnt where the market hub is. Use what knowledge and experience you have to move the minerals around the region for profit. That'll be your first small attempt in trading. Earned enough money? expand your business to modules. And try to see the reason why some items are popular. Fit and try them yourself in missions and pvp encounters. Don't be afraid of losing ships. Each lesson you learn from losing a small ship today will save a bigger ship tomorrow (well, if you are not stupid). Besides, you will by then know how to earn that money back. Not enough skill? Train. By this time you will find your interest ping-ponging between mission, pvp, science, mining, etc etc etc. But that's OK! Do whatever excites you. What am I saying is.. EVE is a great game with so much stuff to do. Just generally enjoy the game as you please.
Versuvius Marii United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.22 07:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Miagi Sans Hello Newbie :) If you are truly interested in getting into mining, find a good group or corp who like to mine as well. As a solo miner you will make avg to below average income in hi sec. if you do it in a a group you can make great money. For example: Last Friday we had a mining op in hi sec so that we could produce some ships and make our miners some income. There were 9 of us doing mining in hi sec. We chilled on TS and had fun while we mined with an orca or 2 for support. We made 240 million isk in 3 hours of playtime. Alliance kept 100mil worth of materials, leaving 140mil worth for the miners who mined. Profit per pilot after the 100mil was taken out...was about 15.6 million isk per person for just 3 hours, or roughly 5.2 mil isk per hour per person. Thats not bad, and 5 of our miners have been playing for less than a month...to them this was an amazing payout and they were very happy, flying in retrievers. The other 4 experienced players, 2 were in hulks and 1 switched out between a hulk and orca when needed. So yes you can make some decent money in a given time. I have 1 corp member who makes 20 mil every 5 hours in a retreiver in hi sec, he makes Bookmarks in the center of each belt in a system and just mines everything in range of those bookmarks. And then they find out just how much they could get by not being screwed over. Exploitation of newbies **es me off, frankly. They worked hard for a fair cut, give it to them. Don't give them half of what they mined and tell them it's a great deal. That 5.2mil could have been 8 or 9mil, treat people like idiots and you deserve to get ** on you once your newbies start to figure things out for themselves. Treat them fairly and your high sec alliance will get loyal members who will stick with you no matter what.
IceElf1	Posted - 2010.10.22 23:03:00 - [56] Hey mining isn't that bad. It can be boring, but its better than paying for overpriced minerals. I started in 2005 as a miner in an imicus frigate and today I use a fully fitted t2 hulk, with an Orca to haul stuff in. Miners are underestimated but I know alot of rich ones in the game. But, dont just stick with mining. You need to do missions to raise your standings and start finding research agents. Research agents are like free cash. You just find level 4 agents if possible and then watch the research points add up. But most of all. just have fun.
Somaeclipse	Posted - 2010.10.22 23:17:00 - [57] Mining is a great way to start. I personally am a combat pilot trained to capital ships. Our corporation is small and we occupy a class 4 wormhole. Mining in there is great as we have all the asteroids our miners can take care of. The ore contains megacyte and zydrine which go pretty good on the open market. We also have miners in high sec with a POS where most of our manufacturing is done. If you can make your own fighters and drones for carriers and dreadnoughts, the cost is minimal with the right industry skills. There are corporations out there that will rip you off so watch out for them. Standard corporation taxes should not exceed 10 percent. Just do what ya want and have fun.
Pookoko	Posted - 2010.10.25 07:52:00 - [58] For me mining is more of a role-play thing, just like I sometimes enjoy hauling for RP reasons. Mining is tedious, but it comes with the quiet satisfaction of performing a routine work. Being a space miner or space-trucker is just that - it lets you experience the joy of playing a different 'role' in a MMO. It makes you feel like a virtual proletariat. This role is not very profitable, but it is an unique experience in itself. Not every one wants to play a role of super-hero or a main villain in a play. Wanting to be a miner is no different from someone wanting to be a support class pilot such as logistics or a scout, or a throw-away tackler. There is an unique enjoyment to be had away from the lime light. Enjoy the feeling of being a tiny peck in the vast universe that is New Eden - not every star needs to burn bright.
Doom Girl	Posted - 2010.10.25 19:59:00 - [59] My Two Cents. I recently got my HULK and love it. At the endo fo the day you should do what you like. Will you waste SP experimenting? Yes. So what, it's a game. I personally like to mine and chat, mine and what movies. When I get bored of mining I run mining miisions for my mining NPC corp. That has a mix of mining and combat. This breaks up the pace but also allows me to use my mining skills on missions. Is mining boring? Yes if that's all you do but you can work on your marketing skills so you can play the market remotely while mining.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.10.26 06:51:00 - [60] Mining is fine to do, especially if you make some friends. For example, I have a second account that I mine on, got a Hulk, Exhumers V, Drone Interfacing V, all that good stuff. I got a friend who is heavy into manufacturing. I give him a discount on minerals, he sells me ships at-cost. While not straight ISK into my wallet, ISK saved is still ISK earned far as I'm concerned, especially when it comes to some higher priced ships like Freighters. It's EVE. You don't just have to sell everything straight to the Market to make a profit. (Though you'll probably want to for a little while as a noob) There's a hundred different things you can do to increase your profits, if you look around a little. I wouldn't use mining for trying to fuel PLEX, I'll agree with Akita there. I'd much rather work for less than an hour and pay the sub than spend 60+ hours or whatever mining for it. (Gotta value your RL time above all else, after all.) But for some ok income to fuel your ship buying, especially with some mutually beneficial connections, it's not a bad uptaking at all, especially if you like to read, watch the YouTubes, or otherwise doing anything else you enjoy, while still making ISK in the background.



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