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Thumiel Zaul
Black Hawk Security
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Posted - 2010.10.03 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Thumiel Zaul on 03/10/2010 14:58:05
Ok, so I have been trading on and off for a couple of months and have recently got back into it after capitalising a lucrative production project.
I have been tracking the total capital on the account I use to trade, note, I work this out as total buy/sell orders, plus cash on hand. I don't take stock on hand into account because I cant be bothered to sit and work out how much it is worth.
During this I have been noticing about 0.8 - 3.5% growth per day in my capital (on a 1 billion isk investment, and taking into account compounded growth from the previous day)
and I was wondering what sort of growth others manage per day on their portfolios.
This is just out of interest to see where my activities sit on the scale.
Many thanks for your replies.
Thumiel Zaul
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.10.03 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Netheranthem on 03/10/2010 15:07:57
Well, on a half day of active trading I manage usually 5-10%, running missions on the side with another character. My investment base is 2 Billions.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2010.10.03 16:52:00 -
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Your both doing it wrong.
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Thumiel Zaul
Black Hawk Security
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Posted - 2010.10.03 16:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Your both doing it wrong.
Well thats helpful 
Just for clarification, this isnt about who is doing it wrong or right, I just want to see what kind of percentages people are making. Obviously if lots of people come in with higher growth then I need to look at my model and make adjustments...
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:19:00 -
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Double your trading NAV in a week. 
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Momus Maximus
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Momus Maximus on 04/10/2010 02:15:57
In moderate trading over a 3-day period (this past weekend), my NAV increased by about 17%. I'm trading in roughly the 1bil ISK range, give or take.
Personally, 1bil is around my limit. Nothing could make me enjoy babysitting more than, say, 60 total orders, so I've decided not to invest more than I can put out there with that many orders. And since I like to diversify my investments for safety, that means I'm not generally dumping more than 100mil ISK into one thing, and usually my investments are more on the order of 10-50mil ISK a piece.
I find that the "small and many" method is ideal for me because it ensures that each ISK is drawing an ideal return. As opposed to long-haul investment in stuff with smaller returns, which you hope to profit from in volume. This ends up using a lot more orders, though, which limits the ISK you can put out there. So it's a balance, really.
But anyway, you can put out 1bil and make more than 3.5% per day with moderate trading. I wasn't micromanaging my orders, but I definitely checked them 4 or 5 times per day. And you should certainly be able to eke out better than 0.8% in a day, with even less effort than that.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.10.04 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Double your trading NAV in a week.
When your trading nav is 50b to 100b I'm going to quote this back to you and call you a scrub for not succeeding 
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 04/10/2010 07:21:55
Originally by: Momus Maximus
And since I like to diversify my investments for safety, that means I'm not generally dumping more than 100mil ISK into one thing, and usually my investments are more on the order of 10-50mil ISK a piece.
I find you can expand your portfolio with a minimum of effort by buying seeded NPC items and reselling at a hub at a markup. Plus, since hub prices almost never drop below seed price, you don't have to worry about taking a loss.
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Freya's Valkyrie
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Posted - 2010.10.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Edited by: Nathan Jameson on 04/10/2010 07:21:55
Originally by: Momus Maximus
And since I like to diversify my investments for safety, that means I'm not generally dumping more than 100mil ISK into one thing, and usually my investments are more on the order of 10-50mil ISK a piece.
I find you can expand your portfolio with a minimum of effort by buying seeded NPC items and reselling at a hub at a markup. Plus, since hub prices almost never drop below seed price, you don't have to worry about taking a loss.
Taxes and brokerage fees 
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egola
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Posted - 2010.10.04 08:48:00 -
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somewhere around -2 or -5% =( damn ships keep exploding themselves i swear
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Mardero
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.04 10:02:00 -
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Around +200% in 3 weeks. Based on an initial investment of 100 mil ISK, that is around +9.5%/day.
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Tanmoe
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Posted - 2010.10.04 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Momus Maximus
I wasn't micromanaging my orders, but I definitely checked them 4 or 5 times per day.
well that would explain why I'm not keeping up with you guys ...
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.10.04 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Freya's Valkyrie
Taxes and brokerage fees
Well, obviously, if the profit margin is THAT low on a particular item, you don't retail that particular item. 
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.04 14:50:00 -
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Making about 60-90mil/day, but not sure what you want to base the percentage on tbh. Generally keep about 500mil in ISK in the wallet, about 1.3-1.4billion in buy orders, about 65% of it leveraged thru lvl 4 margin trading skill (that's why I keep a few hundred mil in ISK liquid).
NAV right now is about 1.2 billion, so I guess around 7% return/day? I also update orders about 4-5 times a day.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2010.10.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Qube
Originally by: Commander Godsmack
Double your trading NAV in a week.
When your trading nav is 50b to 100b I'm going to quote this back to you and call you a scrub for not succeeding
Your're on bro.
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.10.04 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mardero
Around +200% in 3 weeks. Based on an initial investment of 100 mil ISK, that is around +9.5%/day.
I did this more than a year ago for a few weeks, made some good money with it (a few hundred mil). I think it's one of the best ways to make money when you're new to market stuff.
Personally, I've usually been doing trading on an on and off basis. I find markets where I can make tons of money in short time, but usually I burn out after 2 weeks. Updating those 60 orders four times a day gets too much sometimes.
A month ago I started trading in my favorite again (made 1.4b out of 200m in 2 weeks last time).
Just this time I had the stamina to keep it going... Started with ~300m ISK pretty much exactly one month ago, now I'm looking at 4.5b in orders/wallet. Guess those 4.5b are what is called NAV (what does it stand for?  ).
So in those four weeks, that's roughly +1500%, something I'm pretty damn proud of. Average profit per day for me is ~300m, so I'm looking at about +7% per day. Right now it keeps stacking up, but once it hits 10b I guess I'll have to do something different (probably just 0.0 market seeding).
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Thumiel Zaul
Black Hawk Security
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Posted - 2010.10.05 07:50:00 -
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Ok, so it seems that most people make a higher percentage than me, though I only check orders once or twice per day, and I dont do too much market research, prefering to take medium margin, medium turnover products (though I do have a couple of cash cow products on the go now, I just kinda stumble on to them).
Still holding around the 1.5 - 3.5% per day mark, with just over 25% total growth in 10 days.
Are most of the people that have replied station traders, or are you including other types of trading (not incluiding the junkpile technique, already used that and couldnt be bothered with hauling)
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Tanmoe
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:26:00 -
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I don't do station trading, my mum says I'm not allowed.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.10.05 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: El Liptonez
A month ago I started trading in my favorite again (made 1.4b out of 200m in 2 weeks last time).
Just this time I had the stamina to keep it going... Started with ~300m ISK pretty much exactly one month ago, now I'm looking at 4.5b in orders/wallet. Guess those 4.5b are what is called NAV (what does it stand for? ).
NAV = net asset value. ISK + stuffs you own - debts(usually not much in EVE). Personally, I find getting my "stuff" count up is easy, but my ISK count can never seem to stay over a few hundred million. (Every time it goes up, I find more stuff which is under-priced and buy it).
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.10.06 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: El Liptonez
A month ago I started trading in my favorite again (made 1.4b out of 200m in 2 weeks last time).
Just this time I had the stamina to keep it going... Started with ~300m ISK pretty much exactly one month ago, now I'm looking at 4.5b in orders/wallet. Guess those 4.5b are what is called NAV (what does it stand for? ).
NAV = net asset value. ISK + stuffs you own - debts(usually not much in EVE). Personally, I find getting my "stuff" count up is easy, but my ISK count can never seem to stay over a few hundred million. (Every time it goes up, I find more stuff which is under-priced and buy it).
It's certainly not a bad thing how I found out. Not only allows the money for a wider range of items traded, but also for stocking up certain items that are on a low. Waiting for a few days on selling an item, then throwing it up for 100% more profit is really nice.
But I agree, sometimes I'd actually like to buy a ship or two from that money. 
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