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LordLuciusMorpheus
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:15:00 -
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Now that T3 ships are starting to show up, I feel a T3 Exhumer should be brought to the table. I think it would be a nice fit and work out well for both sides. It would add new subsystems, skills, and a new ship. Possibly new Harvesters as well. It could either be setup with subsystems for either Ice or Ore depending on which subsystems you choose, but not for both. So you would still need to have 2 T3 Exhumers, 1 for Ice and 1 for Ore. Would need the skills Advanced Spaceship Command III, Exhumers V, Mining Barge V, Spaceship Command V, Astrogeology V, Astrogeology Upgrades I or whatever, Industry V, Science V, Mining V, and the new Spaceship Command skill for T3 Exhumer (Exhumer Plus), plus the subsystem skills. Maybe 3 Highs, 4 Mids, 3 Lows. 5 Subsystem slots and maybe 3 rig slots. Could even add a new Hardwire Implant for all subsystems to increase sales there as well. A few names I've thought of could be; The Core......The Oreon......The Tria......Feel free to add something or suggest other names. Thanks ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 12/4/2007, 07:31:50 Machine name: ALIENWARE Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Ser |
Jon Dorn
JASDIP Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:32:00 -
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supported.. We can always use more ships :-)
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Fuszion
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:09:00 -
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I think we just found a good idea.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:13:00 -
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Supported, so long as the theoretical peak mining rate is however slightly less than the Hulk.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Intar Medris
Production Industry Mining Profiteers Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:18:00 -
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Nice one. Would be nice to have a boat that has at least some sort of chance to survive if some tries to tackle it. Flame me I dare you. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar CareBears on Fire The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Supported, so long as the theoretical peak mining rate is however slightly less than the Hulk.
Out of curiosity, why? --Vel
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:44:00 -
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I've heard CCP's official stance on mining ships was, they don't want anything to out-mine the Hulk.
Which is also why they haven't come out with anything else weaker than the Hulk.
Anyone who wants to make a profession out of mining, will train for the Hulk.
And anyone who doesn't want to really make a profession out of it, won't bother to train for anything lesser "just because".
As for using a T3 to mine... that's a LOT of wasted effort training, to stare at rocks all day.
Hence why all the prereqs seem to focus on being combat ready, and why all the Subs are focused around combat. - One Button Extractors
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Malcanis Supported, so long as the theoretical peak mining rate is however slightly less than the Hulk.
Out of curiosity, why?
I guess - to balance versatility and return rate.
Say that T3 miner would have 70% return rate of hulk, but it would be really hard to catch with "pants down" in a belt.
If T3 cruiser has anti bubble mech, why wouldnt T3 miner have for example anti point, with infinite warp strength and can be caught only in bubbles / HIC bubble / inderdiction spheres.
Ppl would actually jump around with it in search of rocks to mine. Profitable mining wouldnt be limited to owning / paying for sov space to see a bistot rock floating around.
I.
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count sporkula
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Posted - 2010.10.07 11:52:00 -
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there are ten thousand ways for them to make it mine on par with the hulk or slightly less and still be better. than the hulk. with the way they are working the modular systems it could be very nice... or horrid.
either way i won't say no.
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De'Veldrin
CareBears on Fire The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: De''Veldrin on 07/10/2010 13:05:28
Originally by: AstarothPrime
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Malcanis Supported, so long as the theoretical peak mining rate is however slightly less than the Hulk.
Out of curiosity, why?
I guess - to balance versatility and return rate.
Say that T3 miner would have 70% return rate of hulk, but it would be really hard to catch with "pants down" in a belt.
If T3 cruiser has anti bubble mech, why wouldnt T3 miner have for example anti point, with infinite warp strength and can be caught only in bubbles / HIC bubble / inderdiction spheres.
Ppl would actually jump around with it in search of rocks to mine. Profitable mining wouldnt be limited to owning / paying for sov space to see a bistot rock floating around.
I.
Ok, that makes sense - so it's advantage won't be mining rate, per se, but in being a more survivable mining platform. I can go with that. --Vel
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Uninhabited
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime
Say that T3 miner would have 70% return rate of hulk, but it would be really hard to catch with "pants down" in a belt.
If T3 cruiser has anti bubble mech, why wouldnt T3 miner have for example anti point, with infinite warp strength and can be caught only in bubbles / HIC bubble / inderdiction spheres.
Ppl would actually jump around with it in search of rocks to mine. Profitable mining wouldnt be limited to owning / paying for sov space to see a bistot rock floating around.
I.
very nice idea, the new 0.0 miner for sure :)
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Uriel Winston
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Malcanis Supported, so long as the theoretical peak mining rate is however slightly less than the Hulk.
Out of curiosity, why?
I guess - to balance versatility and return rate.
Say that T3 miner would have 70% return rate of hulk, but it would be really hard to catch with "pants down" in a belt.
If T3 cruiser has anti bubble mech, why wouldnt T3 miner have for example anti point, with infinite warp strength and can be caught only in bubbles / HIC bubble / inderdiction spheres.
Ppl would actually jump around with it in search of rocks to mine. Profitable mining wouldnt be limited to owning / paying for sov space to see a bistot rock floating around.
I.
explain how are we going to pop such ship in low-sec or in high sec even with a Wardeck... since bubbles cant be used there, low-sec mining becomes safer than high sec mining. infinite warp strength is uterly wrong. just give it 2-3 warp strength OR bubble immunity.
You are offering 100% SAFE mining, only chance to be killed is by huge alpha and since it'll be T3 and will have heavy tank this might be impossible...
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Bo Tosh
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:50:00 -
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Supported as long as the T3 Exhumer does not offer 100% safe mining. Nothing in EvE should be 100% safe.
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Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.10.07 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Javajunky on 07/10/2010 15:39:49 Not supported in its current form.
The next gen hulk should... not be allowed to operate in empire not exceed current solo hulk/m3 cycle time exceed fleet hulk/m3 cylce time when operating in a fleet with mining bonuses have a mining crystal bay be able to link and deposit rocks directly into the ore hold of an orca or rorqual
Next gen hulk ideas are continually posted here. Take some time to reference the previous posts. Not really a fan of mining in a glorified Proteus.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: DaReaper on 08/10/2010 18:19:45 I would add a subsystem for gas mining, as you need gas to make T3 ships, so this would be a perfect WH miner., maybe allow it mine gas like a hulk, ad have a better cycle time for ice or a better survivability rate as was already said. Or you make it a normal ship and you need the subsystems to fit the ice or strip miners.. hmm anyway i like it
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Kali Minar
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Posted - 2010.10.09 10:43:00 -
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supported
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Adrena Tirkuni
Manufact Co.
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Posted - 2010.10.09 21:11:00 -
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Why not a a sub capital mining ship instead, that outmine the hulk, similar to orca, but that can mine instead of just sitting, waiting to be full. Something like with 5 strip miners, or sub capitals mining lasers???
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LordLuciusMorpheus
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:36:00 -
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Bump ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 12/4/2007, 07:31:50 Machine name: ALIENWARE Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Ser |
GalaxyRidr
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:41:00 -
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Support
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AliciasMaximus
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:43:00 -
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Support
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Echno 7225
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:50:00 -
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Things change in Eve all the time. Ships, Equipment, parts, PI. We are here to try and make Eve better, not worse. Any ideas, suggestions in doing that should always be looked into. Pros vs Cons. I support this, I feel it would benefit everyone as well.
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TrinityDarkAngel
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:52:00 -
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I support as well. It would be nice to see a new Exhumer that can defend against attacks. Not saying invulnerable, but at least give us a fighting chance.
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Ryan Easte
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ryan Easte on 13/10/2010 22:43:46 I support this and agree, not for use in empire, does not exceed current times, love the mining crystal bay. do not agree with sending direct to a orca.
I would like to see it as a gathering All in one. Rock, Gas, Ice.
It needs to be earned. not obtainable quickly. Its an achievement the pinicle of your career
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.10.14 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 14/10/2010 00:03:36 i support this, but more as a step on industrial modules for tech3 than a simple mining subsystem. would like a subsystem allowing something like 2-4000m2, like a transport ship ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
tatienne
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Posted - 2010.10.14 06:17:00 -
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I like the idea of a very survivable mining vessel, but perhaps making it have a very low sig radius instead of high warp strentgh. Since a mining vessel spends relative long time stationary.
It shouldn't be impossible to scan, just very hard, so it will take both skill and determination to locate it, if the pilot has taken taken the option of fitting for it/using implants etc.
IMO, the ship should come close to the Hulk( 75-90% of a hulk, at max ) if fitted for max yield, but have the option for fitting for high survivability, at the expense of mining yield.
Since the main defence would be a low sig radius and relative high agility/speed, it should be a relative small vessel and nimble vessel with a relative small cargo hold, more and less forcing it to work as part of a mining team, with either an Orca or a hauler. I believe this could make for some fun and profitable gameplay, playing cat and mouse with the typical low sec and wh inhabitants :-)
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.10.14 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Taxesarebad on 14/10/2010 13:21:19 name Goliath role- almost hulk mining rate while having a large cargo hold and high tank if its t3 it needs differnt mods, so lets say a set for stealth ( hard to scan down, warp strength, maybe cloak things, ight throw in the anti bubble thing from cruisers, but no mining bonus, maybe only allow 2 highs with this. less tank of course, but it be able to move through null sec without being killed in camps. tank mods for +resist and shield ammount basicly make this a mining battleship, but more resist, it be very hard to gank but a tastey KM for those who do. mineing larger mining ammounts, faster ice cycle time, gas harvesters? and more cargo. combat? allow turret/missile hardpoints ( reduced PG/CPU for lets say heavy/cruise missile launchers) bonus's to dmg mods, bassicly, make it a trap
remmember mix and match, have all stealth and you can mine, but not much all mining = get ganked, huge loss, all combat and u cant mine at all, but mix and match some tank, some mining, if ur in low/null/Wh space put in some stealthyness and u have a very effective miner
this would need to be expensive material wise IMO
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LordLuciusMorpheus
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Posted - 2010.10.14 14:53:00 -
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Thanks for all the support and ideas. I really do hope this T3 Exhumer will eventually spark with the High-ups. Pls keep adding thoughts and suggestions and tell others to check it out as well and to reply pls. The more hype this gets, the more they may actually think about it. Thanks again everyone and remember: WE are who make Eve what it is and together WE can hopefully get the Big Boys to look our way. ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 12/4/2007, 07:31:50 Machine name: ALIENWARE Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Ser |
GalaxyStarRider
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Posted - 2010.10.20 12:47:00 -
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Support
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Natasha Hec
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.10.20 12:57:00 -
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Ill support but maybe rather than something with a massive tank that mines, how about a group of 'recon' miners, with t3 indy ganglink ships and t3 mining vessels with cov ops cloaks
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Natasha Hec
University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.10.20 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Hec on 20/10/2010 13:04:25 Ill support but maybe rather than something with a massive tank that mines, how about a group of 'recon' miners, with t3 indy ganglink ships and t3 mining vessels with cov ops cloaks.
Edit. Stupid double post
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