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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:31:00 -
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I read an article today about how more and more games - especially MMOs - are going free-to-play. And not just from poor performance in subscriber retention, like TOR, but games are going free-to-play and seeing anywhere from a doubling of revenue to a revenue stream 12x the size of the paywall's revenue stream. And these were games that were already successful in their own right (TF2, for example).
While I know that there are a lot of good arguments - and deeply-held opinions - against free-to-play among the EVE community, I have to wonder - could EVE work as a F2P game?
Frankly, given the vociferous disdain for the NeX Store upon its inception with Incarna, and just given the structure of EVE, I doubt we'd ever see an EVE Online that's F2P. Unlike a lot of F2P games or games that have gone F2P, the way EVE is designed really doesn't lend itself to being F2P. Since most of the ingame content is player-driven, it'd be very difficult to restrict that to people who have paid X amount of dollars without severely impacting the game.
Not to mention the droves of players who would leave upon hearing even the slightest hint of EVE going F2P.
While F2P would be possible, it would require a lot on, IO think, unfair restrictions that would damage playerbase trust in CCP as well as gameplay in general. A skill point limit wouldn't work, nor would essentially giving people an eternal trial. It wouldn't be fair to lock F2P players to a specific race nor would it make sense to lock free players into newbie corporations.
But then again, I'm no game designer. So, EVE, what do you think? Could EVE 'work' as an F2P game, or would it crash and burn*?
*(The latter option is what seems most likely to me) |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:32:00 -
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You must be new around here.
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Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Natasha Mendel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:32:00 -
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It seems like you answered your question in your post already. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:33:00 -
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Natasha Mendel wrote:It seems like you answered your question in your post already.
I'm really more interesting in sparking a discussion, given the trend, than in pushing for EVE to go F2P. |
Natasha Mendel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:34:00 -
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Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:It seems like you answered your question in your post already. I'm really more interesting in sparking a discussion, given the trend, than in pushing for EVE to go F2P.
The discussion's already been had several times. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:35:00 -
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Siobhan MacLeary wrote:crash and burn
Really.
I'd leave in an instant because something pretty vital to gameplay would have to be provided with RL cash in order to generate revenue,
Nothing Found |
Arkturus McFadden
Sonoran Shadow
Black Mesa Complex
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:35:00 -
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no, no, and.. no..
I am perfectly fine with EVE Online being sub. based and would resent it if it was F2P. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:37:00 -
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Natasha Mendel wrote:Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:It seems like you answered your question in your post already. I'm really more interesting in sparking a discussion, given the trend, than in pushing for EVE to go F2P. The discussion's already been had several times.
****, really?
My mistake, sorry.
Arkturus McFadden wrote:no, no, and.. no..
I am perfectly fine with EVE Online being sub. based and would resent it if it was F2P.
I wouldn't want it to be F2P either. Figured it might be an interesting discussion if people theorycrafted how it could work, if at all. |
Natasha Mendel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:38:00 -
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Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Natasha Mendel wrote:It seems like you answered your question in your post already. I'm really more interesting in sparking a discussion, given the trend, than in pushing for EVE to go F2P. The discussion's already been had several times. ****, really? My mistake, sorry.
It's OK, this is how GD works anyway. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:44:00 -
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Yeah well, sorry but we did indeed go over this in super-mega-threadnaughts right after Icarna's launch.
Just go look them up in the old forums. 
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:45:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Yeah well, sorry but we did indeed go over this in super-mega-threadnaughts right after Icarna's launch. Just go look them up in the old forums.
Well, um, I'm sorry for opening an old can of worms, then. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:49:00 -
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^^What they said.^^
There is no bloody way EVE could ever work as F2P/P2W, and the utter travesty that would result from trying wouldn't last long. And it would die noisily and messily.
CCP knows this*, which is why they are going that way in a totally separate (aside from shared-universe) game that's not even ported to PC.
Console-twitch-kiddies may be willing and all too pathetically eager to swallow that P2W-bilge --on their parents' dime, 'natch!-- but we are far too mature and smart for that. (Well, theoretically, anyway )
And EVE, warts and all, is far too good for that.
Proof:
If you're not familiar with it, then Google "EVE Summer of Rage," or similar, and look on EVE-search at some of the old forum-threads regarding that utter debacle.
(/Sadface) Bad, seriously bad time, that, and the travesty that is the NEx store still staring at us in station every bloody time we dock...
*At least, I bloody well hope they do...Their possible attempt to go mainstream again --because that worked so well the last time!-- by handing carebears their safety on a platter in hisec does not bode well, IMHO.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.08.02 05:51:00 -
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People dont realize how PLEX works: essentially thousands of new players paid the subscriptions of veteran players, and then leave in disgust. This is why membership has plateau.
F2P would crash the PLEX market, the only way to have even F2P would be to have a Pay-to-Win system too. Which is universally opposed.
I do however think that trial accounts should be more than 15 days. Make them 6 months or something. You know, give the noobs time to want to pay.
Sure veterans would open up alts, and work them, but Character Bazzar limitation could be placed (such as not being able to transfer for 6 months of paid account after trial is over).
But eve needs more people and the payment is a barrier of entry indeed.
Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
Mocktar Olachenko
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:03:00 -
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Eve is F2P, if you know what you're doing.
Cheekiness aside, I really don't see how a true F2P model could work. The PLEX model as is is pretty damn good and is as close as we should ever get. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:21:00 -
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No discussion needed.
No. |
Luis Graca
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:23:00 -
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Yes eve could work as a F2P but they would also need new players since all the current would say "F*ck This i'm gonna play a better game like hello kitty online" |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:29:00 -
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The free to play model assumes that in game assets and in game activity is effectively a ride you go on and in the case of PvP games, PvP being inconsequential like Guild Wars for example.
Eve Online is a very different animal because on the upper echelons of play its about Alliance, Territory control and warefare. This the heart of Eve but the entire function of that heart is the bloodline of mining, production, research and the entire industrial cycle which given a free to play setup would be utterly destroyed.
I mean the day it goes free to play I will make 10 characters, setup PI, start training industrial skills, research skills etc.. within a few of months I will make be able to make 10 billion ISK a week without ever logging in until the economy collapsed in on itself and nothing in the game has any value.
In short, it would be a complete disaster. The only thing keeping me from having 10 fully trained industrial characters is the cost.
You will never see a free to play model in Eve Online. |
Trin Xi
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:45:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:No discussion needed.
No.
NO |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:52:00 -
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Even if it could work, it would do so so without me.
At most, given that Eve has no 'win' as such, one could only buy an unfair advantage.
You want fries with that? |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2012.08.02 06:55:00 -
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no all f2p games are shite gtfo |
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:05:00 -
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No
In fact EVE is going the opposite way of free to play with plex.
I know many will say but plex allows me to play for free.
Yes you, but someone else paid real $ for that plex.
Most likely ontop of a sub fee.
Then how much plex gets destroyed in game?
Plex is not free to play.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Baneken
Fistful of Finns
Ewoks
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:27:00 -
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Plex is free for someone so if you only use plex then yes it's free to play from a certain point of view (the buyer) though not from a sellers point of view. |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:29:00 -
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No.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
pussnheels
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:48:00 -
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lets hope never so we can keep the WoW crowds out of this great game
no disrespect for those WoW players on here but you know who i mean those 14 year olds that can't even find their own ass with both hands
I think we also have a relative nifty system with plexes why replace that
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:56:00 -
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a couple of ways instantly spring to mind....
Limit SP gained per hour - then have uncapped with "premium accounts"
Limit trading
Limit mineing
Limit missioning
Limit standing gains..
Offer SP in a cash shop, ship skins, standings resets, name changes, clothes, title, Limited ships, maybe even sell faction standins
Just all ideas which popped into head as writing not though given, but any game can support F2P |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.02 07:58:00 -
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let's look at some examples of games that have gone/are going f2p.
ddo (dungeons and dragons online)
swtor (starwars something or other)
common factor; they're terrible.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:02:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:let's look at some examples of games that have gone/are going f2p.
ddo (dungeons and dragons online)
swtor (starwars something or other)
common factor; they're terrible.
Hate to let you in on a secret... EVE isnt doing so well at the moment |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:09:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:hate to let you in on a secret... EVE isnt doing so well at the moment
in fact, EVE's subscriber base is now limited to a small subset of GD shiptoasters
GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á
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Xinlisupreme
1000 Revolutions per Second
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:10:00 -
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What are you talking about? EVE is doing just fine.
F2P is a bad idea though. brb, making 500 market, research and manufacturing alts. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.02 08:11:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:a couple of ways instantly spring to mind....
Limit SP gained per hour - then have uncapped with "premium accounts"
Limit trading
Limit mineing
Limit missioning
Limit standing gains..
Offer SP in a cash shop, ship skins, standings resets, name changes, clothes, title, Limited ships, maybe even sell faction standins
Just all ideas which popped into head as writing not though given, but any game can support F2P
4 year old, faceless, forum alt.... Obvious troll is too obvious!
Ms Kat wrote:not though given
That is very evident.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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