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Serene Python
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:17:00 -
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I'm all for making a game look more pretty and what not for the PC but for some users like myself who run eve from their laptop that only has support for shader model 2.0 this is going to cause some serious problems. I propose we keep the current shader model support but add more options for shaders.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:20:00 -
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Or you could buy a computer/upgrade your graphics card from something that is 7+ years old 
And don't use the excuse that it'll effect laptop users. The internal cards/mobos for laptops support shader 3.0 as of the GMAX3000's
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:54:00 -
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Son, it's time for you to man up, stop being the one guy who is always holding everyone back and just take one for the team by spending a few bucks on an upgrade. It's still months before the actual change is upon us, so even minor savings during that period will allow you to easily upgrade to a compatible system. Your current system is ancient, so even the cheapest modern model should be a decent upgrade in almost all aspects.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.08 22:18:00 -
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You've had 7 years to save up 200 bucks and buy a laptop that isnt nearly a decade old. Get over it bud.
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2010.10.08 22:32:00 -
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Keeping the minimum low isn't holding anyone back, ccp is still capable of adding more to the graphics while leaving the minimum just that minimum. I bought this laptop 3 years ago, also shader model 3.0 hasn't even been out for 7 years let alone put onto average laptop graphic cards being sold when it was released.
Also I'm not sure if any of you read after the title but I stated I am on a laptop which can't be upgraded for a 'few bucks'. If I used my desktop for gaming I couldn't care less about dishing out for an upgrade that would run me around 20$ but to upgrade to continue playing is going to be a bit expensive. For those of you who want shader 3.0 why not state WHY we should make it the minimum when CCP isn't pushing any new graphics out that actually require shader 3.0 hardware, they can easily make that on the higher settings instead of forcing it to be the minimum.
They could also push the high settings to medium, medium to low, and low to gone. Make the high settings use shader model 3.0 required things instead. I'd be more understanding if there was something being pushed out that they absolutely had to use shader model 3.0 related things.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.10.08 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Python
Poor man's bawwing
I hear hello kitty island adventure still uses the intial shader model release.
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steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.09 00:48:00 -
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If supporting 2.0 take a lot of dev time, then get rid of it...although maybe it's possible to keep supporting interior station graphics for it? Would allow me to keep using this ****ty laptop to change skills when I'm not at home, and since most graphics are in actual space, it shouldn't take much. I'm not too bothered about it though.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.10.09 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Python
also shader model 3.0 hasn't even been out for 7 years let alone put onto average laptop graphic cards being sold when it was released.
Shader model 3.0 has been supported since the Geforce 6 series, which was released in 2004.
Intel GMA X3000 has been on the market for laptop GFX since 2006.
Its almost 2011.
Your point is invalid.
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Nischara
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Posted - 2010.10.09 03:51:00 -
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like stated in the dev blog:
The WHY:
because they plan on putting in new graphic features, and all those features would have to be developed twice.. once for shader 3, once for shader 2, and all that for all the future graphics (incarna pops to mind)
i hated the last graphics update of eve because since they removed "classic client" i cant play on my netbook any more
this whole thing is actualy the best feature of eve, if you bought any new game right now, you would expect requirements far greater than eve's... the drawvack is that as eve develops you have to update.
so to anyone whining:
get a new pc or stop playing pc games... that's the rule for all games, including eve
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.09 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hack Harrison on 09/10/2010 08:32:50
They have said why they are doing it, so of course because you don't like it you have to complain. The "man up" comment is apt. I would say die in a fire (in game of course), but your computer would fail to render that properly
In all seriousness, a laptop costing < $1000AUD (and therefore $1000 USD) would run eve fine when they make this change.
Start putting $20 bucks a week and you'll have enough saved by the time it comes out!!!
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.10.09 08:39:00 -
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I propose that CCP chisel graphics onto stone tablets and mail them to my house because I just don't want to upgrade to the fancy new technology you guys use.
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Dr Ngo
Amarr
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
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Posted - 2010.10.09 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: KaiserSoze434
I propose that CCP chisel graphics onto stone tablets and mail them to my house because I just don't want to upgrade to the fancy new technology you guys use.
I demand to play eve via smoke signals.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.10.09 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Ngo
I demand to play eve via smoke signals.
The lag in Jita would be CRAAAAZYYYY
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.02 02:17:00 -
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heh the guy is right and he gets ppl telling him to upgrade.
When the PC was powerful enough to run any game released for 2 years they pushed our PC hardware.
When the PC was powerful enough to run any game released for 5 years they pushed the Expansion.
When the PC was powerful enough to run any game released for 10 years they pushed the graphics hardware.
When the PC and Graphics were powerful enough to run any game released for 15 years they changed the shader version and made it not backwards compatible.
I got this card for free, I wouldn't have upgraded a shader version otherwise as I know full-well they'll just up the version another notch in a year or 2.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
You've had 7 years to save up 200 bucks and buy a laptop that isnt nearly a decade old. Get over it bud.
And still some months left yet, come to that.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: JcJet on 02/11/2010 12:21:10
Omg, just throw away this junk, save the energy :)
Today even a small notebook goes with shader 3.0...
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.11.02 14:16:00 -
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Please introduce an Ascii art version of the client so I can play on my Commodore Pet.
I dont see why I should have to spend money on a new computer every 30 years.
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Creation Consiousness
Akuma Capsule Corp
Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.02 22:46:00 -
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I'm all for the ego trip most players are on about how good the comp is and how bad the other persons is, but past that, I want more people playing eve so there should always be the option to turn off shaders, thats why every game has that option, even a pentium 4 3 gig has problems with it and eve. Lucky mines much more monster than that, lol. People shouldn't have to buy new computers to support a game thats ment to be for everyone. EVE can run on a 56k connection so why not have the shader option? get over the egos of not caring about the weak comp players (lol) and support this vote!
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.11.03 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Creation Consiousness
I'm all for the ego trip most players are on about how good the comp is and how bad the other persons is, but past that, I want more people playing eve so there should always be the option to turn off shaders, thats why every game has that option, even a pentium 4 3 gig has problems with it and eve. Lucky mines much more monster than that, lol. People shouldn't have to buy new computers to support a game thats ment to be for everyone. EVE can run on a 56k connection so why not have the shader option? get over the egos of not caring about the weak comp players (lol) and support this vote!
Eve did lose a lot of key players when they were forced into the previously optional premium graphics package.
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.11.03 04:08:00 -
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Not supported. Id rather the devs fix actual game issues or add new features than waste time supporting archaic machines, especially when the overwhelming amount of users have put minimal effort in the last decade to upgrade beyond those specs. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Creation Consiousness
I'm all for the ego trip most players are on about how good the comp is and how bad the other persons is, but past that, I want more people playing eve so there should always be the option to turn off shaders, thats why every game has that option, even a pentium 4 3 gig has problems with it and eve. Lucky mines much more monster than that, lol. People shouldn't have to buy new computers to support a game thats ment to be for everyone. EVE can run on a 56k connection so why not have the shader option? get over the egos of not caring about the weak comp players (lol) and support this vote!
Because, as explained above and in the original announcement, that support isn't free. You can't just "leave it in". It costs non-trivial development resources to maintain.
Since at the moment, we're yelling loudly at CCP for not putting enough dev resources in to EVE, it would be just a teeny bit inconsistent to ask them to spend those scarce resources on supporting a few people who wont upgrade to a technology standard that is only a few months younger than EVE itself.
SM3 cards came out in 2004. You can buy one for the price of a couple of large pizzas. As Ed from HR correctly pointed out, you've had 7 years to get on this, and you've still got time left to do it.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.11.03 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Eve did lose a lot of key players when they were forced into the previously optional premium graphics package.
it was so much nicer in here when you weren't posting...
Also, proof of that or HTFU. The switch away from the classic graphics to the trinity engine caused headaches for (at most) macroers running 10 y/o systems for a low budget or people that ran secondary clients on their old boxes while their main was on a newer box.
Statistically, EVE players come from countries where DSL is probably the slowest form of connection that people use. Dedication to an EVE subscription also indicates that the person would have to have a decent form of income generation. Are people playing EVE over a 56k connection? Probably not...and if they are, they probably don't undock.
Asking CCP to keep the engine running with both Shader 2.0 and 3.0 support is like asking me to keep coding in PHP3 when I already know the standards for PHP5. Stop whining about it and upgrade your outdated hardware or play a game meant for what you've got (like minesweeper...)
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Slimy Worm
Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2010.11.03 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Worm on 03/11/2010 19:05:37
Supported, a 3 year-old (3.5 by the time Shader 3.0 is required) laptop should be able to run Eve on low settings.
At the very least,have a console command to force the disabling of Shader 3.0. Maybe I won't see the bumpmaps on Incarna or the other new effects will have inverted colors, but so what?
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.04 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Slimy Worm
Edited by: Slimy Worm on 03/11/2010 19:05:37
Supported, a 3 year-old (3.5 by the time Shader 3.0 is required) laptop should be able to run Eve on low settings.
At the very least,have a console command to force the disabling of Shader 3.0. Maybe I won't see the bumpmaps on Incarna or the other new effects will have inverted colors, but so what?
Which bit of "We are going to use SM3 as a minimum standard to avoid coding one way for SM2 and one way for SM3" do you not understand?
Why should a 3 year old machine be expected to perform? Was the machine top of the line when it came out (bet it wasn't). If not, you can't expect budget technology that is 3 years old to be supported...
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Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.04 07:10:00 -
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Sorry Serene but your in the minorty. And we all know that minorty's get ran the f*** over in the corp world.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.04 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Eve did lose a lot of key players when they were forced into the previously optional premium graphics package.
Really? Name a few.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.04 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hack Harrison
Was the machine top of the line when it came out
This was a rhetorical question, right? Mine wasn't top of the line when I bought it 3 years ago, and it supported SM 4 out of the box. I haven't had to upgrade video cards since I bought it.
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Amy Garzan
Gallente
The Warp Rats
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.11.04 22:49:00 -
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Get a new computer dude.
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Dani WH
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:08:00 -
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Confirming shader model 3.0 is gonna be a must after January 18
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:24:00 -
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Get a new PC. Seriously.
And stop trying to game on freakin' netbooks.
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