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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2010.10.10 03:18:00 -
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You're in a fleet of between twenty and twenty-five ships. The majority are cruisers, two are battlecruisers, and two are blackbirds. You might also have a falcon cloaked at optimal. A neutral megathron warps to the gate you're sitting on... shows aggressive behavior, but does not attack. He's obviously waiting for you to engage. He doesn't appear to have backup, but you never know.
What do you do?
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Aranial
Gallente
Empyrean Warriors
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2010.10.10 04:58:00 -
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Sounds like bait.
Don't touch it unless you have more back up.
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Jamradar
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2010.10.10 08:46:00 -
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You have quite the ecm power to hold off a good few enemy ships or pretty much jam that mega to high hell. But it comes down to how much dps you have and if it's enough to take out that mega and/or cope with incoming ships.
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Captain Blart
Hideous Mutant Freekz
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Posted - 2010.10.10 09:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Aranial
Sounds like bait.
Don't touch it unless you have more back up.
Agree, make sure the odds are 200:1, cant be carefull enough when you are in a cruiser/bc fleet
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Anne Alingus
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Posted - 2010.10.10 09:09:00 -
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What do your scouts say are in the surrounding systems?
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.10.10 09:46:00 -
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T1 cruisers and BCs?
Go for it if it's in nullsec. It's definitely a trap, but what the hell, it's only T1 stuff.
In lowsec, probably not so much. Gateguns will rip cruisers apart. And it's a trap.
Though a better question would be, why is a cruiser gang just sitting on gate rather than constantly moving?
Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2010.10.10 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Though a better question would be, why is a cruiser gang just sitting on gate rather than constantly moving?
That is what 9/10 positive sec status players do when they venture into lowsec - hug highsec gates (broad generalization)
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.10 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
What do you do?
It definitely sounds like a trap. You should kill it and then kill everything else that comes to "save the day."
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Kara'ina
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Posted - 2010.10.10 12:14:00 -
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You have some of your fleet get to the other side of the gate to catch the mega there. Then kill it. It's bluffing and waiting for your gang to agress so it can jump and get away if you try to kill it now. Cruisers are fast and agile enough to run from a trap. At most the opponent will only get 1-2 ships at the loss of a Mega if it tries to massively outblob you. At best you get a good fight and have fun.
Try looking at your own strengths as well and don't try to second guess your opponents too much. 9 out 10 time that is giving them too much credit for being smart.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2010.10.10 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kara'ina
You have some of your fleet get to the other side of the gate to catch the mega there. Then kill it. It's bluffing and waiting for your gang to agress so it can jump and get away if you try to kill it now. Cruisers are fast and agile enough to run from a trap. At most the opponent will only get 1-2 ships at the loss of a Mega if it tries to massively outblob you. At best you get a good fight and have fun.
Try looking at your own strengths as well and don't try to second guess your opponents too much. 9 out 10 time that is giving them too much credit for being smart.
We have a winner 
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Logical Chaos
Reverse Psychology.
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:36:00 -
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Obviously: Don't be muppets and engage. If youre only in cheap insurable ships its not like it matters.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:51:00 -
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This situation occurred yesterday. I was in the Mega. I was alone, with no backup to speak of, against a gang of some 20 or more ships with ECM support, all T1 (except the Falcon, if it was really there). I had ECCM fitted, but doubtless that would have been overcome if there were a falcon (if not, I intended to blast the blackbirds first upon commensuration of fighting). My own intel avenues had reported that there were more than 20 ships, and that the other bit was nearby. They were covering both sides of the gate. I locked six of them and waited... and waited...
...They locked me back, orbited me and acted aggressive, just like I did...
Five minutes of tense waiting later, they all left. I was completely prepared to lose my ship in exchange for a good fight and - hopefully - a few people to drag to the grave along with me. There was no one around to help me. And they could have easily evaded turret mechanics by warping out when targeted - I'd only have been able to scram one at a time, after all, and that's if I could even target them.
They were all neutral and low sec status, but none of them were -5.
I'm just curious to see what you would have done when confronted with such unknowns, and maybe give you a glance into my situation.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2010.10.10 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
This situation occurred yesterday. I was in the Mega. I was alone, with no backup to speak of, against a gang of some 20 or more ships with ECM support, all T1 (except the Falcon, if it was really there). I had ECCM fitted, but doubtless that would have been overcome if there were a falcon (if not, I intended to blast the blackbirds first upon commensuration of fighting). My own intel avenues had reported that there were more than 20 ships, and that the other bit was nearby. They were covering both sides of the gate. I locked six of them and waited... and waited...
...They locked me back, orbited me and acted aggressive, just like I did...
Five minutes of tense waiting later, they all left. I was completely prepared to lose my ship in exchange for a good fight and - hopefully - a few people to drag to the grave along with me. There was no one around to help me. And they could have easily evaded turret mechanics by warping out when targeted - I'd only have been able to scram one at a time, after all, and that's if I could even target them.
They were all neutral and low sec status, but none of them were -5.
I'm just curious to see what you would have done when confronted with such unknowns, and maybe give you a glance into my situation.
Are you sure they were on both sides of the gate? The only way this story makes sense to me is if they weren't 
Pretty much every corp I've ever been in would have destroyed your ship in this situation.
However, since you mention turret mechanics it must have been low sec. They may have been waiting for war targets.
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ThrashPower
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.10 23:00:00 -
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if it was in lowsec it just sounds like a fw gang who have no intention of gcc'ing even for an easy mega gank, lowsec is p much filled with the temptations of easy ganks, but they are best reserved for freighters and other goodies.
if this was 0.0 theres no reason they shouldnt have just killed you.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.11 00:13:00 -
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Yup, sounds like a FW gang all right. The cruisers were probably scared of getting killed by the gate guns, even though a cruiser should be able to take enough to kill your Mega very quickly and GTFO. If it had been losec pirates they would have been in BCs with a gang ship nearby.
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.11 01:09:00 -
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Have a person point it, and then fleet kill it on the other side if it tries to jump or stay and kill it there if he agresses? 25v1 a single battleship will not last long. If the thing lights a cyno, fleet align out, and hopefully you kill it before the enemy fleet loads grid. The thing being jammed will mean that everyone can warp out if it trying to tackle you or whatever.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.10.11 19:34:00 -
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Heh. I was in FW for a year. I just left yesterday. These guys were not FW players. And they were targeting me (they did so on both sides of the gate). They might have been looking for WTs, but not FW WTs.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 11/10/2010 21:28:22
They may have been hoping that you'd attack first, to attract sentry fire.
But you were probably simply not the one they were looking for.
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Roberto DelFuego
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Posted - 2010.10.15 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin
You're in a fleet of between twenty and twenty-five ships. The majority are cruisers, two are battlecruisers, and two are blackbirds. You might also have a falcon cloaked at optimal. A neutral megathron warps to the gate you're sitting on... shows aggressive behavior, but does not attack. He's obviously waiting for you to engage. He doesn't appear to have backup, but you never know.
What do you do?
There's 25 of you and one megathron?? Attack it you girls.
Also, have scouts in the systems around you so you already know if he has back up. If you attack and local blows up just run away, It's a megathron...he MIGHT be able to hold one of you.
More likely than not he was just ****ing with you and would've jumped the gate as soon as you guys agro'd him.
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Oathborne
Caldari
Genstar Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.15 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Alingus
What do your scouts say are in the surrounding systems?
^ this, if you are flying without them you fail.
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Rahnaar
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rahnaar on 15/10/2010 20:44:11
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
In lowsec, probably not so much. Gateguns will rip cruisers apart.
This.
There's nothing wrong with a cruiser gang not engaging you while you are alone in a Mega unless you are a WT. Not engaging you was the right call on their part since they couldn't take sentry fire. Not that hard to figure out really.
EDIT: Eh, just read that they weren't FW. Well that's a bit different then, a corp or alliance crew could have taken you at some losses. They would have won the ISK war but one can only speculate at the morale loss they would have experienced. Too many unknowns to really know why stuff happened the way it did. Try asking them? |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:50:00 -
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I am drunk and we're in ships that can run away. What's the worst that can happen?
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Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.10.16 14:52:00 -
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Posting to say Stimulus is a joke, Terrus included.
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EMO JAck
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Posted - 2010.10.16 16:39:00 -
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Kill the damn Mega. You should have been able to pop him in little to no time. Then handle a respectable counter attack. Even if you can't you have a good deal of ecm to get your people out. If they dont get out you shouldent lost more than 1 or 2 and in the points or ISk war then you are still winning.
Or you could just stop flying like eve uni.
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