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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.01.04 10:47:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan has been following the gallente elections with close interest. One third of our race resides within its borders, it has in the past, been a supporter against the slave trade that runs its decrepid practice all over our universe. It has been a supporter of freeing our people from the Amarr.
We would request that the canditates for president inform us and our Matari kinfolk their intentions and view in regard to the Matari race, the slave trade and the continuing enslavement of 1/3 of our people by the Amarrians.
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On behalf of the Ushra'Khan.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.04 11:03:00 -
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Information reguarding the candidates' positions on Minmitaar relations would be of great interest to all involved, I would think. I am surprised this has not been a primary issue to them.
Let us hear thier stance.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.01.04 12:49:00 -
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Yes please explain your standings with regards to our people
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.01.04 14:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
One third of our race resides within its borders
(OOC Note: That would be one fifth)
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Vir Freeman
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Posted - 2005.01.04 16:45:00 -
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(OOC: I think one fifth of the Gallente Federation is Minmatar and that one third of the free Minmatar live in the Gallente Federation. That would make for 2/9 of the total number of Minmatar (which is almost 1/5) that lives in the Gallente Federation. Everybody wins . Yaay)
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.04 19:05:00 -
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Wihle the Gallente Federation is a nation of opportunity, it does not entirely seem to be a land of equal opportunity. Among the influential members of society there are remarkably few Minmatar, and among the poor the number of Minmatar is disproportionally high.
This would not be remarkable if there had only been Minmatar in the Federation for one or two generations in stead of centuries. And while I am sure that some Amarrian or other will leap at the opportunity to make a derogatory quip about this oddity, I cannot help but wondering if us descendants of immigrants are not structurally discriminated against, and if the future president of the Gallente federation is planning to adress this issus and how.
Also I am curious about the future president's plan to adress the issue of poverty in the Federation in general. While there are some examples of people rising from rags to riches, the greatest part of the poorest citizens are basically left to destitution... the dream of a big break does seem to keep many people happy.
My one question to the future president of the Gallente Federation is if he would promise, upon being elected, to travel with a Sister of Eve for a day or two, to a couple of locations of her choice within the nation.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.01.04 22:02:00 -
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I also request the stance from these Galentte politicians on slavery!
There are many factions that will swing one way or the other depending on this topic.
Until then I shall support none of the canidates.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.01.04 22:34:00 -
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I would like to hear public statements from all of the candidates regarding this issue. I have seen several Amarrians voicing support for Mentas Blaque, which leads me to believe he either supports or is indifferent towards the issue of slavery.
Regarding the comments of a disproportionate number of poor Minmatar citizens in the Federation, I can only say that government social engineering is an affront to the very core principles of a free society. To my knowledge, there is no law prohibiting anyone in the Federation from rising to the top. Citizens must struggle to make something of themselves rather than rely on the government to guarantee their comfort, regardless of race.
As things stand, I would prefer a more conservative president than our current leader. Unfortunately, Senator Blaque lacks the personal character to earn my vote. I have to wonder if our third-party choice can even make a decent showing at the polls, considering the average citizen doesn't know enough about his platform to even remember his name.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.04 22:53:00 -
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Leave Amarr out of the Gallente elections.
We want no part.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.01.04 23:00:00 -
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Perhaps you should inform Tyrrax Thorrk, Grand Inquisitor. She has actively campaigned for Senator Blaque, no doubt for his position on limiting CONCORD's influence in Federation space - the very people who enforce regulations against the trading of slaves.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.05 01:46:00 -
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That is her privelege, I do not support her initiative.
I distance myself from all things Gallente, both out of respect for your sovereignity and my own heritage.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.05 09:02:00 -
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Amarrian Loyalists ignore the doings of the Federation at thier peril.
Why should Amarrian interests not be important?
Why should we ignore the stances and intents of our historical foe?
If there is one power that the Empire must take all measures to be current on, it is the Gallente Federation. Never forget that they were able to instigate a rebellion that cost us the entirety of 'Republic' space. Never forget that they alone hold the ability to mount a fleet that would in any way be a match for our own.
The Gallente are ruled by chaos and hedonism. Thier leaders act only to preserve thier place of power, instead of the well-being of thier government and society. While this sounds like a self-destrucive cycle (and it is), it only makes them the more dangerous.
I encourage all Amarr to become involved in such affairs. Perhaps with some work this foe can be subdued without the loss of a single Amarrian life.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.05 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
I distance myself from all things Gallente, both out of respect for your sovereignity and my own heritage.
Odd. Many a time have a read that the Gallente's time wil come when they will fall to heel to yours and the Empire's boot, Gauis.
What made you change your mind?
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.05 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Never forget that they were able to instigate a rebellion that cost us the entirety of 'Republic' space.
Oncer again, an Amarrian seeks an excuse for the Rebellion. If it's not the Jove, it;s the Gallanete's responsibilty for the Rebellion.
I'll correct you on one thing. If anyone started the Rebellion, it was we Minmitar, not outside influence. Gallante support does not imply Gallante instigation.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.01.05 09:21:00 -
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Fair enough.
Substitute the word 'support' for 'instigate'.
The weight of the matter is unaltered.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.05 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: AsheRaven
Originally by: Gaius Kador
I distance myself from all things Gallente, both out of respect for your sovereignity and my own heritage.
Odd. Many a time have a read that the Gallente's time wil come when they will fall to heel to yours and the Empire's boot, Gauis.
What made you change your mind?
I've not changed my mind, you simply do not understand, nor have you ever.
Let the Lords of Chaos rule.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.01.05 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/01/2005 12:53:06
Originally by: Erai
Wihle the Gallente Federation is a nation of opportunity, it does not entirely seem to be a land of equal opportunity. Among the influential members of society there are remarkably few Minmatar, and among the poor the number of Minmatar is disproportionally high.
It is very true that a disprortionate number of Mataris in the Gallente Federation live in poverty.
Has it occured to you that this is simply because they are unable to cope with their alleged freedom?
Most Minmatar, when left to their own devices, will simply sink into depression and rely on handouts.
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.01.05 13:21:00 -
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A wonderful generalisation..... The majority of free people gathering under our banner is increasing by the day thanks you your sort of views :)
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.05 13:45:00 -
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Rodj Blake for Ushra'khan minister of recruitment 
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Abolishonist
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:45:00 -
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Again an Amarr who seeks a balm for a wounded pride.
Again an Amarr who needs an excuse for failure
Again.. An Amarr who reads a censored history book..
The Minmatar rebelled in 23216
First contact between the Empire and the Federation was in 23180
That is right.. 64 years after the rebellion.
Fancy that
In fact the Gallente-Caldari war raged by the time contact was made and meeting Amarr was the chief reason peace broke out between the two. most likely because they recognized the danger Amarr posed to each of them.
So.. they had their own problems then.
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.01.05 18:41:00 -
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A failure of the Republic University? Yet again we see the inadequacy of the Minmatar system of government.
The Rebellion happened 36 years after we met the Gallante. Surely this is enough time for the Federation to amass enough supplies to instigate the rebellion of the Minmatar.
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Abolishonist
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Posted - 2005.01.05 19:55:00 -
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Oh damn.. ok so you can do simple math.
I had hoped to slip that past you
You are correct and I am wrong *sigh*
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.01.06 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: AsheRaven
What made you change your mind?
I've not changed my mind, you simply do not understand, nor have you ever.
Let the Lords of Chaos rule.
... The 'lords of chaos'? How very Un-Amarrian to say. Chaos is intrinsically against everything the Amarr, control freaks to the core, stand for. Your peoples seek domination and contrul, subjugation of anything not rightfully and rigidly pious enough for your rigid order of things. Chaos would quickly make very short work of the Empire.
And yet you say 'let chaos reign'? Are you truly Amarr, or are you merely a Guristas en masque?
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.01.06 01:40:00 -
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He believes he can walk on water
then so could I with a good set of rocket boots
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.06 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
... The 'lords of chaos'? How very Un-Amarrian to say. Chaos is intrinsically against everything the Amarr, control freaks to the core, stand for. Your peoples seek domination and contrul, subjugation of anything not rightfully and rigidly pious enough for your rigid order of things. Chaos would quickly make very short work of the Empire.
And yet you say 'let chaos reign'? Are you truly Amarr, or are you merely a Guristas en masque?
Are you trying to explain something, dog?
If you missed the meaning of my statement, then it would be better to stay quiet and thus not look like a fool in public.
We are referring to the Gallente elections on this thread, not the governing of the Empire.
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Junkzinat0r
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Posted - 2005.01.06 07:08:00 -
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Here again we see two old foes bickering and carrying on and tossing around pointless diatribe, and where are the Gallenteans?
I for one am not suprised at their apathy towards the requests of both Minmatar and Amarr, because it appears they are to wrapped up in their own bitterness and animosity towards each other.
They see this too...
Though I'm sure they find the sentiment nice. :)
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Kallos
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Posted - 2005.01.06 08:12:00 -
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Nothing is more disgusting about the Gallente than the way they run their 'government'. Elecing new presidents is not based on how good the candidate is, it's based on the popularity witht the people. This insane system means that potentily anyone can come to power. What happens when the masses at the bottom of the social ladder elect someone who promises to make their lives better by helping them out and giving handouts? Social chaos. But then again, Gallente way of life revolves around chaos it seems.
The despicable way candidates struggle for power is also sickening. The gallente themselves described it as a mud slinging contest. No rock is left unturned in the gallente efforts to smear the other person, be it bringing an opposing candidates career into question, or fabricated some affair or other such scandal.
So, Gallente politics is merely based on who can run the best smear campaign to discourage people from voting for anyone else. A system which is more foolish than any other I have seen. As Amarrians, even if we wish to support the election what do we do? Do we say we support one person, which will porbably lose them votes, so do we say we suppport the person we don't actually want elected? Do we lower our selves to the mudslinging? Has Foiritans daughter been suspect of taking frentix? As you can see already, Gallente politics is messy and chaotic, something polluting that all faithful Amarrians should steer clear from.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.01.06 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kallos
Nothing is more disgusting about the Gallente than the way they run their 'government'. Elecing new presidents is not based on how good the candidate is, it's based on the popularity witht the people... (yaddayadda)
...As opposed to a system that chooses it's leader based not on how good they are, but on the outcome of a frigate fight that they're not even personally involved in. Candidates are not chosen from the populace, but from a pool of corrupt, inbred holder heirs with about as much grasp of reality as your average fedo. Far be it from them to mudsling, though. They content themselves with merely ordering any unsuccessful candidate's ritual suicide..
You know what, Kallos? Nah... Never mind... You wouldn't understand anyway. Sleep well.
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Erai
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Posted - 2005.01.06 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Erai on 06/01/2005 15:34:00
In the Federation it is possible and acceptable to try and forge your own destiny and make your own possibilities.
I should have expected one statement about Minmatar in the Federation to attract the usual Amarrian dribble, really. It was adressed at the Gallente government, however- and within the Gallente system, I feel that I may harbor the hope that my voice is heard and taken seriously... with all the varnish and gold leaf, I feel that that is the true soul of the Federation, and I love her deeply for it.
@ mr Zek- I am not expecting the Minmatar in the Federation to be taken by the hand and given everything on a silver platter, of course- and problems are multiple and complex for suchj a thing to be possible even in theory, between high unemployment figures, lower average wages, higher criminality, but the issue does need to be adressed, and the upcoming elections are a good opportunity to draw attention to it. I shall not delve too deeply into the subject for now to avoid hijacking this thread, but if desired, I would very much like to elaborate.
{edit- OOC-part in general discussion}
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.09 20:32:00 -
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The Gallante do not concern themselves with trival things like Minmatar animals. They spend their time lusting over their holoreels and alcohol. I would not rely on them again Minmatar you will be sorely disappointed.
I believe the Gallante would sell slaves in a minute to further their constant thirst for excess and lust.
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