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Thorazin
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Posted - 2010.10.12 04:32:00 -
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Hello, yes 1 more joystick threat i am sorry if you dont like the idea dont waste your time to read this but i belive the majority of eve players or non players but ppl who think to start the game would rly like this idea.
Till latest patches i was using evejoy (joystick only to fly the ship and mouse/keyboard for all other functions), an unofficial script made by a player and it was working rly nice till latest patches, it still works but not good because you have to move joystick twice to a direction so the ship starts to turn so it sucks now. When i google eve + joystick i find to many forums regarding to this matter and from what i read a big majority of those ppl would love CCP to add joystick support for eve.
Well what i say is do it without causing any lag. The solution is simple take evejoy and fix it for the latest client and then you got eve + joystick support.
Even if it sucks ppl will love the idea and will start this game only by hearing that eve supports joystick.
I estimate that a joystick support in eve would raise eve population significantly.
But it doesnt suck i was playing eve with a joystick only to give direction order to my ship and reload my guns and it was rly fun to combine the joystick with mouse(to select and lock targets) and keyboard (to activate guns and modules) it was raising my gameplay experience a lot.
You cant simply turn off keyboard and mouse you need them to in order to play the game efficiently so full joystick gameplay is not handy for eve gui and gameplay and i dont like the idea also.
What fits best to eve joystick support is something like this if you want my opinion:
Simple joystick support that doesnt cause lag and its easy and simple to make and it doesnt need an server upgrade.
Something like evejoy script which is a joystick controlled eve cross and it doesnt rly change anything in game so it cause lag problems just needs some fixes because it doesnt work properly after latest patches.
Joystick has a part to support gameplay and not change it by removing mouse and keyboard.
Gameplay was like this and i rly enjoyed it.
Use right hand to use mouse for selecting and locking targets on your overview (use control+click to minimize time ur right hand uses mouse
Use your right hand to use joystick to set a course or fly the ship around and maybe reload guns and activate thermodynamics with some joystick buttons also!
Always keep left hand on keayboard to activate guns and modules once the course u set with ur joystick reaches optimal range with ur target.
Use joystick throttle to adjust your speed(that is a new feature i would defenetly add simple and easy)
This gameplay style would be amazing (at least it was for me this is my personal and my RL friends opinion) what i see here is probability to expand this wonderful game and get gameplay action to a higher level without messing out with client and its GUI or creating lag problems and without ruining the RPG elements and turning eve into an stupid FPS game.
If you dont like it you can keep pointing and clicking with mouse to fly your ship to a direction i just find it time consuming and boring and not fun to do, besides if you try a gameplay like the one i am explaining above i estimate than 80% of eve pop would stick with joystick and they would be happy with this addition.
Ty for reading my article i hope you like my ideas and if not plz dont get mad because this wont affect you with any lag or anything and i am sure it will allow you to use your (mouse and keyboard only) style like you do now and you are happy with it atm and it will also bring more ppl into the game(new ppl and many x eve players maybe)meaning more ppl= more income for CCP= better development from CCP both in eve and in other future games that will bind with eve like dust.
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Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2010.10.12 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 12/10/2010 07:31:27
So what do you exactly propose as after reading your long post i have no idea beside "i wanna joystick without lag".
Oh wait, you want ccp to fix some 3rd party script (that you are not allowed to use anyway).
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annab
Amarr
Dromedaworks inc
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Posted - 2010.10.12 08:35:00 -
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You do know that that 3rd party script may be counted as modding eve. Which they may ban you for?
With this  Quote:
i estimate than 80% of eve pop would stick with joystick
is there any research in to this or is it more of I picked this number out of my head estimate.
The joystick if used like the existing mouse system would be ok. However mainly players want tweak based combat like X3 and that is a big no as it would mean taking most of the game a part also your sending more movement commands and that would lag a server.
Also with the mouse you can lock fasted as you have overview joystick targeting would suck as soon as you try to use the joystick to get to overview you go left or right locking a target.
Don't saying it couldn't be done but with all the windows eve has adding a joystick is anything but easy.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:56:00 -
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I built a simple script once that essentially only double clicked in the middle of the screen ever so often. Of course I wasn't allowed to use it as it's a game affecting script.
What it essentially did was steer your ship in the direction you were looking, so it was almost like joystick flight, but without the joystick.
I think if CCP wanted, this could be integrated into the client (with an on/off command of course):
While you hold the camera without moving the client wouldn't send anything and the ship would continue straight. But if you change your camera angle the client would send a position command every second or so (which I think is reasonable and probably less than is sent if people manually fly their ships today). Of course you could then connect the camera angle to a joystick if you wanted.
Essentially only some minor client changes, no server changes, and possibly actually less taxing on the server (compared to someone frantically clicking 10 times each second).
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Thorazin
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Thorazin on 13/10/2010 00:04:01
Originally by: annab
You do know that that 3rd party script may be counted as modding eve. Which they may ban you for?
With this Quote:
i estimate than 80% of eve pop would stick with joystick
is there any research in to this or is it more of I picked this number out of my head estimate.
Also with the mouse you can lock fasted as you have overview joystick targeting would suck as soon as you try to use the joystick to get to overview you go left or right locking a target.
About the 80% came out of my head like you say after googled the words eve+joystick and i found to many websites and forums that had those 2 worlds so i checked all sites in the 1st two search pages and from what i rode 80% and maybe more of the ppl liked that idea and expressed positive thoughts about it.
About the gameplay, no i dont wanna use joystick to target i got the mouse for that. I know that in evejoy you could use small stick to access the overview but i wasnt using that because i didnt like it i was ctrl cliking with mouse to target.
I was using joystick only to navigate ship and reload my weapons with a hotkey button on it. I imagine that a good addition would be thermodynamic commands and ship speed control with joystick throttle.
Btw when i click with mouse i spam a lot in order to feel that i actually fly the ship.
What this threat is about is this msg:
come on CCP give us a joystick support anything will do it even something simple like evejoy script.
not going to hurt any1, it will excite many eve players and it will lure new ones.
Personally i love the idea because its annoying and unrealistic to spam click mouse in space to fly ur ship, eve is a lot like a rpgmmo/sim (sim because of realistic galaxy space and mechanics in game)so a joystick support fits perfectly for eve i think.
I am not saying to remove mouse or keyboard keep the same gameplay as it is now just add a joystick support for navigation mostly for the ppl who wanna have fun navigating their ship with a more realistic way and feel the speed on fast speed cruiser sized or smaller ships :P
btw i even had fun when flying a BS with joystick it had the feeling i am driving a big truck :P
i was using joystick to navigate into missions reach certain groups in range and nuking them also i was changing my course depending the dps i wanted to produce on certain targets(on turret weapons your dps will vary depending the speed the range and course your ship has against your target)thats the best usage of a joystick because with 2 moves i could align and maneuver better with targets than with the mouse clicking.
well sorry for crappy eng i just want to share the experience i had testing a joystick with eve and how fun it was and proposing this as a good idea for eve.
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Thorazin
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daedalus II
I built a simple script once that essentially only double clicked in the middle of the screen ever so often. Of course I wasn't allowed to use it as it's a game affecting script.
What it essentially did was steer your ship in the direction you were looking, so it was almost like joystick flight, but without the joystick.
I think if CCP wanted, this could be integrated into the client (with an on/off command of course):
While you hold the camera without moving the client wouldn't send anything and the ship would continue straight. But if you change your camera angle the client would send a position command every second or so (which I think is reasonable and probably less than is sent if people manually fly their ships today). Of course you could then connect the camera angle to a joystick if you wanted.
Essentially only some minor client changes, no server changes, and possibly actually less taxing on the server (compared to someone frantically clicking 10 times each second).
Yes thats what i mean exactly.
If CCP wanted.....it could be done.
why they wouldnt want to add a joystick on eve?
thats the million dollar question
i heard IRL and rode over the internet blogs and forums that many ppl are not starting eve because you cant fly the ship with a joystick or keyboard.
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Thorazin
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Thorazin on 13/10/2010 00:27:41
Originally by: Valandril
Edited by: Valandril on 12/10/2010 07:31:27
So what do you exactly propose as after reading your long post i have no idea beside "i wanna joystick without lag".
Oh wait, you want ccp to fix some 3rd party script (that you are not allowed to use anyway).
First i dont rly want anything or expect anything from CCP.
This is ideas&suggestions forum and i came here to share this idea because i find it rly cool and and its a good addition to eve by my humble opinion and many more ppl i heard and rode all over the internet.
You can check yourself if you want and google eve+joystick and spent some time reading on some pages.
Besides the basic idea(joystick support) i explain my personal and my RL's friend on how to exactly be eve+joy idea.
I dont suggest CCP to fix evejoy or tweak any 3rd party script just make something simple like evejoy and maybe something better than evejoy without rly changing anything on gameplay as it is now.
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