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Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:48:00 -
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Hello everyone,
I have an orca and run sometimes mining OPs. What I not understand is the 50.000 m¦ Ore Cargohold.
A Hulk makes 3x1867m¦ in 138 Seconds. Thats means one solo Hulk can fill it in ~21 minutes. I think this is a joke for an Industial Ship.
 Whould like to see a 100.000 m¦ Ore Cargohold for the Orca.
Thanks for your attention,
BB
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:56:00 -
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uhm including cargo hold (3 t1 cargo rigs + 2 t2 cargo expanders), corp hangar, you have 182,714 m^3?
thats about 45-50minutes for a solo hulk to fill.
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Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth
Damage Control II
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Posted - 2010.10.12 18:57:00 -
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In case you didn't know Eve is a MMORPG. Make some friends to help you move your ore.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:07:00 -
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Why so complicated? Just increase the cargo hold of the Hulk so it can take in about 23 hours of non-stop-mining at max skills.
No need to have friends or an alt account. Just dock once a day before DT to drop the stuff off.
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extecy
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:44:00 -
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23h ? you mine whit mining laser 1 ?
i start mining drop 6 jetcans and after all a full i warp into and load the ore and warp out
if you need more cargohold buy a rorqual than you can compres the ore and have a very nice boost
i dont think the orca need more ore cargo but need a biger ship mainta... only 2 hulks can be in but 4 hulks would be very nice
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William Cooly
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:48:00 -
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When I saw this topic, my first thought was "Geez, miners sure are greedy."
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 12/10/2010 20:26:56
nvm... not enough coffee to create a coherent thought.
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:50:00 -
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I fly an Orca as well and the thing that baffles me is, why the huge cargo hold? In line with the OP's idea, I'd like to trade in my 50km3 cargo hold for a 100km3 ore hold and a 125m3 cargo hold, just big enough to hold a little loot. I have regular industrials with big cargo holds for hauling my other crap around; my orca is for assisting in the mining of ore as well as hauling it back to a refinery, so I don't want/need a big cargo hold on it and, not that anybody that plays or develops this game will care, but it's immersion-breaking to shuffle ore around inside the ship. |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:51:00 -
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Great way to solve most Eve problems:
1. Think out of the box
2. Bring some friends
It's that easy.
Oh, and: 3. Profit!
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:20:00 -
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The fact that my ship has what I feel is a sub-optimal internal configuration has no bearing on whether or not I have friends in EVE.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
I fly an Orca as well and the thing that baffles me is, why the huge cargo hold? In line with the OP's idea, I'd like to trade in my 50km3 cargo hold for a 100km3 ore hold and a 125m3 cargo hold, just big enough to hold a little loot. I have regular industrials with big cargo holds for hauling my other crap around; my orca is for assisting in the mining of ore as well as hauling it back to a refinery, so I don't want/need a big cargo hold on it and, not that anybody that plays or develops this game will care, but it's immersion-breaking to shuffle ore around inside the ship.
1. unlike the cargo hold you cant change size of the ore hold with rigs/cargo expander
2. the orca is a multipurpose ship. so many people would object nerfing the cargo bay. for hauling anything up to 129k m^3, I prefer the orca over the freighter because it is way faster.
your suggestion would nerf the ship rather than buffing it.
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Lady Wolves
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:44:00 -
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Purely for the fact that I own two Orca's plus I am my corps Orca pilot, in all honesty the Orca is perfectly fine, 50km3 is enough space for a dedicated ore hold.
If your struggling with the Orca during mining ops then your doing something majorly wrong, as to be honest all you need to do is, sit orca in tractor range of the entire belt (basically in the middle of it), then have a normal hauler in an industrial ship fly to the Orca and load up from the corp hanger, then have the indy pilot fly back to station.
Seriously, I just use the Orca as a mid point between the hulks and the industrial, the Orca basically gives the industrials one warp in point, instead of warping to a can then slowboating their way to the next can, takes very little effort and if the Orca's holds are filling up too quickly, then bring in another indy hauler and there you have it.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 12/10/2010 21:47:35
Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
The fact that I want my titan battleship to have 32 highslots with 15k DPS each on any ship size does not have a bearing on me beeing stupid.
FYP
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 12/10/2010 21:47:35
Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
The fact that I want my titan battleship to have 32 highslots with 15k DPS each on any ship size does not have a bearing on me beeing stupid.
FYP
Does any of that even mean anything? Does it have anything to do with the topic under discussion? How does it amount to a response to what I said? How does a titan with a bunch of slots have anything to do with an orca with a smaller cargo hold and a bigger ore hold?
CCP invites us here to make suggestions about how we think the game can be improved. I made a suggestion. If you don't like it, that's your right, but if you're going to join the discussion, can't you at least do it in a way that's comprehensible? That means something? That has some bearing on what we're talking about?
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 13/10/2010 15:54:28
Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
Does any of that even mean anything? Does it have anything to do with the topic under discussion? How does it amount to a response to what I said? How does a titan with a bunch of slots have anything to do with an orca with a smaller cargo hold and a bigger ore hold?
They are poking fun at the idea that you want to push through an idea that benefits you and your playstyle without accounting for how it would balance against other ships.
Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
CCP invites us here to make suggestions about how we think the game can be improved. I made a suggestion. If you don't like it, that's your right, but if you're going to join the discussion, can't you at least do it in a way that's comprehensible? That means something? That has some bearing on what we're talking about?
You put your idea here to be looked at and seen by the general public. For some people, they may find merit in your idea and want to discuss it. Others may find your idea laughable and don't see the point in a discussion. That's just how things work around here.
Plus, when you've seen the same (or similar) proposals over, and over, and over, and over again you can't help but be just a BIT condescending. This is not the first time the Orca's cargoholds have been brought up here and this is not the first time people have asked they be increased or become "adjustable."
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
stuff
I started writing a rebuttal to your comment, with the intention of pointing out how you completely missed the point under discussion, as well as the point of my comment, but then I realized that there was no point, because of the one grain of truth in your reply, which is that that's just the way it is around here. Nobody reads other peoples' posts before replying, nobody bothers to address other peoples' points, they just go off on a rant about how any suggested change to the game amounts to nerfing it for one person while buffing it for someone else, and then for good measure, throw in a comment about how all the morons before you asked for exactly the same "I win" button.
In the end, this was much more viscerally satisfying, as well as being more in keeping with the general tenor of these forums, and no more or less likely to foster a meaningful discussion of the issue at hand.
Your turn.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
Your turn.
Peanut butter.
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
Your turn.
Peanut butter.
Well said.
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42BelowVodka
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Posted - 2010.10.13 18:53:00 -
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i think the orca is fine like it is.
what i would like to see is a tier2 type of the industrial command ship. a ore hauler.
make its size between the orca and a freighter. give it a small cargohold, no corp hanger and a large(200K maybe or even bigger) ore hold.
my idea behind this would be for mining systems without stations. just use it as a big hauler to get ur ore from ur mining fleet to a station one or more jumps over. i know it can been done with haulers but that can be a pain in the ass.
maybe give it some penalty like long align time or something
what do u guys think of this
vodka
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: 42BelowVodka
i think the orca is fine like it is.
what i would like to see is a tier2 type of the industrial command ship. a ore hauler.
make its size between the orca and a freighter. give it a small cargohold, no corp hanger and a large(200K maybe or even bigger) ore hold.
my idea behind this would be for mining systems without stations. just use it as a big hauler to get ur ore from ur mining fleet to a station one or more jumps over. i know it can been done with haulers but that can be a pain in the ass.
maybe give it some penalty like long align time or something
what do u guys think of this
vodka
200k m^3 ore hold is just slightly over the max of the current orca. why not bring a 2nd orca just for hauling?
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42BelowVodka
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Posted - 2010.10.14 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: 42BelowVodka on 14/10/2010 08:01:02
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: 42BelowVodka
i think the orca is fine like it is.
what i would like to see is a tier2 type of the industrial command ship. a ore hauler.
make its size between the orca and a freighter. give it a small cargohold, no corp hanger and a large(200K maybe or even bigger) ore hold.
my idea behind this would be for mining systems without stations. just use it as a big hauler to get ur ore from ur mining fleet to a station one or more jumps over. i know it can been done with haulers but that can be a pain in the ass.
maybe give it some penalty like long align time or something
what do u guys think of this
200k m^3 ore hold is just slightly over the max of the current orca. why not bring a 2nd orca just for hauling?
mmm for ones darius has a good point 
we done that before use a second orca to haul. so a dedicated ore hauler would have to be able to carry at least twice the ore a orca can, so make the ore hold like 500Km3.
maybe it would be a tier 2 orca after all but maybe a entire new ORE ship class as it wouldn't be an industrial command ship because it would boost the fleet. just haul the ore.
vodka
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Ravenmorte
Caldari
United Federation of Lost Souls
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.10.16 22:13:00 -
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No. They are big enough and there is the rorguai.
Thats where the badgers and other industrials comes in, having a badger mk2 with full tech 2 fittings and skills ,you can haul extra 21.7m3 / jumps, 2-3 extra badgers allongside your ORCA, will make you deplete the ore hangar soon enough, to let you mine for extra hours. And you can even store that badger in your corp hangar ^^
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Tamora Dumoi
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenmorte
T3 Nautilus.
No such thing. WTF are you talking about?
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Ravenmorte
Caldari
United Federation of Lost Souls
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.10.17 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tamora Dumoi
Originally by: Ravenmorte
T3 Nautilus.
No such thing. WTF are you talking about?
No, it does not exist YET but it could solve these reported problems.
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Slimy Worm
Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2010.10.18 02:16:00 -
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Hulks make mining completely, 100% risk-free, except for suicide ganks. At least Giant Secure Containers are annoying and fill up in one or two cycles. If anything, you shouldn't be able to mine directly into Orcas in highsec: Jet a can and let the Orca use its tractor beam bonus, or have a cloaked ship to deal with canflippers.
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42BelowVodka
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Posted - 2010.10.18 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slimy Worm
Hulks make mining completely, 100% risk-free, except for suicide ganks. At least Giant Secure Containers are annoying and fill up in one or two cycles. If anything, you shouldn't be able to mine directly into Orcas in highsec: Jet a can and let the Orca use its tractor beam bonus, or have a cloaked ship to deal with canflippers.
/thread
Why would u need to jet can when u mine with orca support? Just keep to hulk close to the orca and drop the ore from the hulks cargo bay into the corp hanger.
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Zeronic
Gallente
Blueprint Research Eden
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Posted - 2010.10.18 15:44:00 -
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I start out by saying CCP has been cold to the industry side of these game for a while. There are some much need for improvement.
Survey Scanner Range increase. 26km would be ideal for T2
Mining Barge and Exhumers Crystal Ammo holds, Hulk having the largest at 500m3
Orca Ore hold move up to 100km3, Rorquals is 250km3 why not closer to half that.
Add buttons to the UI for each cargohold, no more right clicking to open them.
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