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Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:22:00 -
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Good afternoon all,
I'm looking to take a venture out into null sec to do a bit of ratting as a change of scenery.
My current plan is to take a Manticore:
[Manticore, PvE null sec ratting]
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Guristas Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Guristas Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Guristas Juggernaut Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
I realise that I may have problems with running out of ammo and the like, but that is fine, I'll wing it, and pop out of null to buy stuff if needs be.
What I really need to know is, will this fit be able to speed/sig tank the belt rats, or would a nano-fit be better. Secondly, will this be able to slip past bubbles alright.
Any suggestions to adapt the fit are very welcome, althought I don't want the ship to cost much more than 50mil in all.
Thanks all.
Phlyk
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:24:00 -
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By using ninja in the title, I assume that you are planning on going into player corporation controlled null sec territory. Am I right?
I would say forget the salvage. Just kill rats and collect bounties. If you run into faction rats, they might drop some interesting loot. When you run into pvp, you will want extra weapon, not salvager.
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.10.17 20:55:00 -
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Should be good for ratting, especially since it has an AB.
But with an AB you're not gonna get past a camp. You probably won't even manage to reapproach, bombers are slow as ****. Without the rigs you should be able to fit an MWD, which will get you past bubble camps.
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Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.18 07:32:00 -
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@ Caleidascope: Yes, I intend to go around in null sec that is owned by other players, as such, I am going to assume that I will not be welcome there, or at the very least, there will be players who will shoot on sight.
@ El Liptonez: I was considering a dual-prop fit, Afterburning in combat to speed/sig tank rats and MWD to get past bubble camps. I would imagine that without an afterburner I wouldn't be able to tank the belt rats?
I could swap the rigs out for Ancillary Current Routers (Or the ballistic control for a second micro power core) and then change out the Invul field for a MWD?
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Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.10.18 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Voynix on 18/10/2010 09:30:18
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 18/10/2010 09:29:43
 Originally by: Phlyk
@ Caleidascope: Yes, I intend to go around in null sec that is owned by other players, as such, I am going to assume that I will not be welcome there, or at the very least, there will be players who will shoot on sight.
@ El Liptonez: I was considering a dual-prop fit,
Its not the kind of ship i use, but this ship cant warp cloaked? If so you dont need to "reaproach"a,d you dont need dual prop.
In case of camp: "move-cloak-warp".
In case of bubble cap: "align-ab-cloak".
The cloak will disable the ab, but will last an entire cicle. enough to go far enough to avoid to be uncloaked. then move out of bubbles looking for a direction without objects.
(Edit) last thing: if you venture low/null sec a little risk exist anyway, you have to be aware of it. Any fitting/ship/strategy will help you, but you will never be 100% safe. So be sure you can afford the loss, no matter how is likely that will happen.
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Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.18 09:29:00 -
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@Dark Voynix: Yes, the ship can warp cloaked, my concern is over whether it can move sufficiently quickly without a MWD to clear a bubble before being uncloaked by the campers.
Unfortunately I have very little practical null sec experience to go on.
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Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.10.18 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Voynix on 18/10/2010 09:39:43
Originally by: Phlyk
@Dark Voynix: Yes, the ship can warp cloaked, my concern is over whether it can move sufficiently quickly without a MWD to clear a bubble before being uncloaked by the campers.
Unfortunately I have very little practical null sec experience to go on.
the key is to move at least 5-6km from the inital position. Once cloaked and moved they will hardly find you. Just look where to move (chose a direction where there are no hostiles). Usually up, or down are the best choised. THe moment they see you they will try to mwd there triing to oncloak you, so the firt part is themost important. Once they failed to uncloack you, you can slowly go ouside bubbles and bail them. :)
In past i successed with a proto cloack in a bc ( guess how slow i was moving). I succesfully cloacked in time and even moved enough that interceptors dont got me. Obviusly i had to wait looooooong time before to reach safe distance to uncloak and warp. Obviusly ad i said above, its a risk. And using mwd in this situation will only increase your signature radius making them more easy to lock you in time ( remember that you cant cloack if somebody have locked you)
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Grumpy punk
Stir Crazy Research and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.10.18 10:17:00 -
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As I rat in SB myself I can give you the following tips:
- your setup is okay. You will be perfectly able to speed tank the rats, just don't forget to keep high transversal velocity and have your AB on. Using a mwd fit is not viable, you need speed without making yourself 5 times bigger. Rigs are fine, you need that DPS.
- light missiles can be troublesome, if there are no bigger threats(like frigates) make light missile spamming ships your primary target.
- frigates might take some time to kill. Be prepared to fire 3 or 4 salvos at a single target. Elite frigates are a massive PITA. I totally avoid them cause they have nasty resists, are fast, have low signatures AND have a great chance of webbing and/or scramming and/or other kind of ewar. If you get webbed you are half dead.
- you will run out of ammo fast. What you can do is have a container anchored in a safespot nearby and resupply it with cloaky transport. You will have a place to unload any loot you pick as well.
- pick the area you are going to rat and stick with it. Prior to jumping the SB in, pay a visit with a mwd covert ops and make plenty of bookmarks - 250km off gates, safespots. That will allow you to feel a little "safer" and be able to check gates for bubbles.
- jumping into a bubble camp will be tougher. Still - your main defence is your cloak. If you get uncloaked there is no difference if you go 800 or 1000 or 2500 m/s, any decent interceptor will still tackle you.
- if you get a faction spawn kill it first!! Bugger may flee while you take down his escort.
- the profit from ratting in a SB is debatable. You may get loot worth hundreds of millions or something not worth even picking. For me personally, running L4s in HS is more profitable, I do nullsec ratting for the fun factor and for the preparedness to the dangers of lawless territories as I haven't lived out there for some time. That experience will also be handy if you join a nullsec corp someday.
Hope these helped.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.18 10:20:00 -
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I've been ratting in a bomber for a while now and ammo is a problem. If you find proper hunting grounds and you are able to have some peace while ratting you will be running out of ammo quite fast. The biggest risk with your fit and in general is moving in and out. It's pretty easy to stay safe when you don't need to exit systems and you can control where you want to me. Ammo fetching isn't one of them.
You might want to check if there are any stations selling torps and buy them into stock and live around there.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.10.18 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Grumpy punk
- the profit from ratting in a SB is debatable. You may get loot worth hundreds of millions or something not worth even picking. For me personally, running L4s in HS is more profitable, I do nullsec ratting for the fun factor and for the preparedness to the dangers of lawless territories as I haven't lived out there for some time. That experience will also be handy if you join a nullsec corp someday.
These have been my exact observations as well.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.18 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Indeterminacy on 18/10/2010 17:55:03
Don't fit an invuln field. Fit a hardener specfic to the rats you're going to fight.
Dual prop fit if you can. If not, getting thru hostile potentially bubbled space is more about scouting yourself than burning through. Learn how to use directional scanner to spot mobile bubbles or dictors / heavy dictors on gates before you warp to them.
Learn patience.
Plan a route to NPC 0.0. Go on a Sunday or Monday night.
Get to an NPC station and make yourself an offgrid spot to check for bubbles from. An on grid spot to warp to (not in line with any celestial) so you can dock even if the station is bubbled (unless they **** cage it). And make an insta-undock from the station at least 300km out. Never insta-undock to the same range of the BM twice in a row. Only use the insta-undock if you have to.
You're going to want bookmarks about 200km off each side of gates you frequent as well.
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Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.18 19:46:00 -
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Thanks for the great help guys, I think I will stick with a dual-prop fit for the time being and try and find an area of NPC null sec to hang out in.
I'm aware that I probably won't make as much ISK as running level 4s in safety, but at the moment I'm doing low sec exploration, so I'm used to an irregular income, and a change is as good as a rest. One of the main reasons I'm doing this is to get some experience of EVE that I'm not going to get otherwise.
My biggest concern at the moment seems to be keeping resupplied with ammo, I'll try and take a hauler full of ammo and a GSC out to null sometime.
Time to start making those bookmarks I guess.
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