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Seeds ofhate
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Posted - 2010.10.19 03:53:00 -
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can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
if not can the account that threatoned to have you banned be banned for makeing threats like that?
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Whelan Jr
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Posted - 2010.10.19 03:57:00 -
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I'm smelling the scent of "oops" in this thread.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.19 03:59:00 -
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It's frowned upon, but they let it slide for cases where you're being seriously griefed and can't do anything about it.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Seeds ofhate
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:05:00 -
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and by frowned apon what do you mean and there is no whoops this is a ligit question my accounts are safe just looking out for my frends i was not aware that it was bad
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:07:00 -
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It's something they don't like people doing, and don't tell people they can do, but you can still do it sometimes.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Seeds ofhate
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:08:00 -
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also what if that corp was formed before the war started
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:10:00 -
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I don't think it would make much difference, but it would look better.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Seeds ofhate
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:44:00 -
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its not even the whole corp it's just some of the new members who are verry poor and low skill points who left
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.19 04:50:00 -
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That is usually allowed, it is even in IVY's war standard operating proceedure. Having members leave a corp because they can not handle whats comming don't need to be shuned!
Keeping them in contact and still helping them until they are skilled and well off or the war is over. There is no problem accepting them back in!
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.19 05:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Seeds ofhate
can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
If you do it once, most likely no.
If you do it a few times, you might get a warning.
If you do it constantly, probably yes.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.10.19 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Seeds ofhate
can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
No, you will not get banned for that. However, if someone seriously wants to go after you, he will just dec your new corp, or corps even, too. Your best bet would be to leave corp and join the appropriate npc corp.
Originally by: Seeds ofhate
if not can the account that threatoned to have you banned be banned for makeing threats like that?
No.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.19 08:27:00 -
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No. Originally by: GM Nythanos
Hello,
For #1, Closing a corporation and opening a new one with the same members is allowed, and the people who declared war on your now closed corporation can declare a new war on your new corporation if they choose to do so.
For #2, Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited.
To help clarify this, there are restrictions with regards to joining and leaving corporation, such as mentioned here:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1
It is not an exploit, but I don't think you could report the other party either ù being wrong about the rules isn't really a bannable offense (although breaking them as a result of that ignorance is).
At most, dodging wardecs by reforming the corp is considered bad form among the players.
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.19 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Seeds ofhate
can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
If you do it once, most likely no.
If you do it a few times, you might get a warning.
If you do it constantly, probably yes.
This. plus the tactic will only work so far. As said wardecs don't cost much. And if they're after you that much they'll follow you wherever you go. So either hire some mercs if your combat wing is lacking or just wait them out if you can. Or you know.. fight them?
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.10.19 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Khanaris Asgarth
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Seeds ofhate
can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
If you do it once, most likely no.
If you do it a few times, you might get a warning.
If you do it constantly, probably yes.
This.
No, not this. Read Tippia's post.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.19 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Seeds ofhate
can you get banned for leaving a corp and forming a new corp to avoid a wardec?
If you do it once, most likely no.
If you do it a few times, you might get a warning.
If you do it constantly, probably yes.
For a period doing that repeatedly was against the rules, but then the rule was changed and now it is allowed.
In particular single players are always allowed to leave a corp and join a NPC corp or form a new corporation and only people interested in griefing noobs rant against that.
What is frown upon by most of of the EVE community (or at least those writhing in the forum ) is disbanding a corp and reforming it under a new name with the same people.
If you want to move the weak or poor members of the corp to a new corporation while the experienced players fight the war it is allowed and I don't see any reason why it should be frown upon.
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.10.19 10:00:00 -
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If CCP did not want you to quit a corp that had war declared on it, they would not allow you to quit a corp that was in a war.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Swan
If CCP did not want you to quit a corp that had war declared on it, they would not allow you to quit a corp that was in a war.
Except there's a difference between "quitting a corp at war" and repeatedly closing and reforming a corp to avoid the consequences of having one.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Dirk Swan
If CCP did not want you to quit a corp that had war declared on it, they would not allow you to quit a corp that was in a war.
Except there's a difference between "quitting a corp at war" and repeatedly closing and reforming a corp to avoid the consequences of having one.
If CCP did not want you to close a corp that had war declared on it, they would not allow you to close a corp that was in a war.
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Zia Aiz
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: "GM Grimmi"
exploit notification
reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.08.26 15:38:53
The practice of insta-joining/leaving warring corporations for the purpose of surprising war targets, or getting them in trouble with CONCORD, is considered an exploit from here on. Reports of this will be investigated on a case by case basis and warnings will be issued at the discretion of the GM. Repeated incidents may result in bans on accounts involved.
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1
Tl;dr in bold.
Other then facts (leaving repeatedly during wardecs) there is no real way to prove the intention was to "surprise war targets" unless the exploiter admits this.
This doesn't mean you can't get a warning or banned for ignoring warnings however.
If someone petitions it after repeated incidents and you get a GM who considers it an exploit, you will probably get a warning first, repeated violations after warnings might result in a ban.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.10.19 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zia Aiz
stuff
All quite interesting, but not what the OP is about.
Also, afaik you can no longer quit corp in space which is how the insta-leaving-corp-to-get-the-enemy-concordokkened exploit got fixed.
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TriadSte
Gallente
Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2010.10.20 18:51:00 -
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Ok so heres my 2 cents.
Leaving a corp which is decced is not only hilarious as it just annoys the deccing corp but is a totally legit move and is NOT BANNABLE.
AFAIK creating another corp is just the same as the above but that gives the deccing corp a reason to dec your new corp.
Best way is to simply create a public channel for your corpies to use then all drop to NPC corp then your UNTOUCHABLE.
HOWEVER, after some time playing you'll notice that the guys who dec you do it for no personal reasons. If your corps worth its salt it will be able to afford some good mercs to mess up the guys deccing you. <---- This is pure win
Fighting a wardec isnt always easy as people who dec all the time are stuctured in the art of deccing, they also generally have guys online all the time.
Another thing u can do when decced is to undock in a super tanked T3 and stop the engines dead and just tank what they throw at you when it gets too much just dock up. A T3 should be able to tank 1200 DPS minimum take into consideration a T3 resists and youll laugh off many battleships.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.20 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Also, afaik you can no longer quit corp in space which is how the insta-leaving-corp-to-get-the-enemy-concordokkened exploit got fixed.
Indeed, this is fixed already.
There was another thread where it was said by one of the devs that leaving and remaking corps to avoid wars is not seen as a punishable exploit.
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TriadSte
Gallente
Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2010.10.20 21:07:00 -
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It would be stupid if it was a punishable offense. People have the right to jump corps whenever they want.
The only people who moan about this is the actual guys who do the wardecs. They pick on corps who generally do missions in empire then get stressed when the corp empties.
I myself have learned the hard way in the past but with time comes knowledge. Wardecs for me are pretty fun. Flying covert op watching them setup warp points and loling at them in local.
The best ideal is to fight fire with fire and hire mercs to kill the deccers. It will be sorted in under 24 hours with war retracted and highly possible that a cease fire will be made for the 24 hour wardec downtime. Not too expensive at 250 mil.
Few rules for wardecs:
1. set corp tax to 90% so that mission runners wont run missions and risk death.
2. INTEL INTEL INTEL and im not talking about the popular PC hardware brand. intel is your friend. Jump in a covert op ship and start taking note of ships weapons tank etc.
3. Begin conversation with mercs ask for advice, costs, time frame of when the job can be done.
4. Dont come on these forums about it
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