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John Barman	Posted - 2003.06.29 09:51:00 - [1] Yesterday was not very productive to me nor my corp members and friends. Discovered one not so nice thing that is happening with missiles and I guess with smart bombs/pulse weapons. First time was when I was flying a blackbird and we were killing npc pirates out there in 0.5sec system. We all were in a same gang and I fired missiles at the target pirate. My fellow gang member was near the pirate and got some blast damage to his shields.. Took some time and the Concord police came in and wasted my BB. Sweet isn't it? Bit after that.. same thing happened again to my friend. My ship was in front of his and the rocket he fired at a pirate blew in front of my face.. And guess what? The concord wasted his BB... Nice... Then we decided to log and test this.. and took some pics too. We dropped a cargo container in space. I took a merlin fitted with laucher and sabretooth missiles. Friend was near the container in an ibsis. I locked the container and fired.. Friend there got 50hp blast damage to his shields.. and The concord came to waste my merlin.. This is how things work... If we are out there fighting something in systems where the police is looking after things we might get in trouble very easily. Just some noob or anyone getting in the blast radius of a missile.. and well.. I suggest you change yer location after that... Or if you want someone to get into trouble.. just get in front of his missiles... the police will take care of him and then u can collect the loot. I think there is something to be modified in this thing. If a ship that is not targetted gets damage from blasts.. It's his fault.. not mine.. no matter who he/she was.. corp/gang member or someone else. Different thing if you target other PC ship and try to harm him/her... Just be careful out there if you use missiles.. ---------------- -In Finland we have this thing called 'Reilu Meininki'-
Teutobod	Posted - 2003.06.29 10:31:00 - [2] The police is overzealous bastards. Who do we have to thank for that? The masses of screaming carebears whining about m0o and the rest of the pirate population of EVE. Look at someone funny and CONCORD blasts you. ---------------- Killing Amarr Scum & Liberating Slaves Since Birth
Vegeta	Posted - 2003.06.29 11:13:00 - [3] with two blackbirds? dude just kill the cops! 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
M0RPHEUS	Posted - 2003.06.29 11:15:00 - [4] lol...cops are nothing...not that hard to kill a cop battleship :P Ask me nicely and I won't pod you...
LoxyRider	Posted - 2003.06.29 11:17:00 - [5] This has happened several times to me too, but once i fired a heavy missile while guarding our miners in a belt at some npc pirates, our indy however had come to pick up my ore right at that moment and was hit straight away by the missile. He got 150 points of damage but no cops and no security hit. ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
John Barman	Posted - 2003.06.29 13:01:00 - [6] Yea I know those are easy to kill.. but those were separate incidents and happened pretty fast :P I am not whining about my shiplosses... Just that this happened 4 times.. and one of those were the recreation of this issue.. and have logs and pics of that too. ---------------- -In Finland we have this thing called 'Reilu Meininki'-
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.29 13:55:00 - [7] Telling him to waste the cops isn't much of an answer. It's borked and he's got every right to complain. Splash damage on gang/corp members shouldn't summon Concord ever. I'll take responsibility (extremely grudgingly and with much disgust) if my smartbomb hits someone that's not ganged with me while I'm fighting. But there rest is stupid. It's essentially telling missile users that they can't gang with any close combat fighters. Duh, that's who they're supposed to group with! I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Wulfnor	Posted - 2003.06.29 14:00:00 - [8] Just because I am a naturally curious person I would like to know if Concord did not come when a gang member took damage from a fellow gang member would this mean I could destroy my gang member with impunity? Edited by: Wulfnor on 29/06/2003 14:00:09
Jojin	Posted - 2003.06.29 19:04:00 - [9] ôI think there is something to be modified in this thing. If a ship that is not targetted gets damage from blasts.. It's his fault.. not mine.. no matter who he/she was.. corp/gang member or someone else. Different thing if you target other PC ship and try to harm him/her...ö From a realistic perspective, I can only pray this idea is contained within the game. I would hate to read an article about 23 people killed in a local shoot-out. The gunner only had this to say, ôHey I was just trying to defend myself against the guy who drew his gun on me. It is the other peopleÆs fault for being in the store at the same time. I mean I wasnÆt aiming for them; they just got in the way. The stupid by standards.ö Secondly, from a game perspective, removal of such security measures would make it quite easy to take down people without taking a security hit. Just get your friend to fly up next to someone mining in their Ibis. Lock your friend (gang member/corp member) and shoot two (2) torpedoes at them (they can take it). The sad part is the new player in the Ibis, once they figure out what is going on, will be little more than space dust.
Dan Forever	Posted - 2003.06.29 19:23:00 - [10] upon taking damage the victim should be able to "file charges" so to speak, if they don't, concord do nothing and it was an accident, if you do, then concord waste em.
John Barman	Posted - 2003.06.29 20:58:00 - [11] As Jojin said about that security hit thing when pestering noobs.. I'd put it so that if the other ship involved gets destroyed the shooter of the torps would get a security hit. Otherwise the blast damage would not do anything but harm the ships inside blast radius. Filing charges sounds good idea to me too. Or somekind of thing to point out the "bad guys". Edited by: John Barman on 29/06/2003 21:01:09 ---------------- -In Finland we have this thing called 'Reilu Meininki'-
Slave 12	Posted - 2003.06.29 21:11:00 - [12] Splash damage should call the cops.. if not it would be exploited.. you could grief newbs all day. You and your buddies just get in your cruisers go sit next to a mining newb. Your buddy shoots missles at your cruisers they get splash damage and blown up. Sorry i'm just sitting here wondering why you were in a .5 system in a cruiser firing missles... kind of a waste of money when nothing in a .5 system should take a missle.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.06.29 22:05:00 - [13] I know the system he was in and its rather profitable. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
ShadowStrike	Posted - 2003.06.29 22:32:00 - [14] Ok... what is the lesson of this? Don't fire missles or torpedos in empire space =) And..."be carefule what you wish for". I think this topic has come up about a dozen or so times already, so please stop reposting the same complaints. You currently have 157 skills and 26,183,909 Brain cells
John Barman	Posted - 2003.06.29 22:43:00 - [15] Well missiles are easy to make.. so why not use them? :) Maybe I can cope with that if someone else takes splash dam from missile and the cops come.. but if the one is corp or gang member.. as it was in this case... ---------------- -In Finland we have this thing called 'Reilu Meininki'-

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