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PureMurder
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Posted - 2010.10.21 07:57:00 -
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I'm curious about a few things and don't really know much about low sec.
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Can you get miners into low in decent ships, safely, if you provide in-system support to them (but not on-grid)? I'm assuming that they'll be shot up rather nicely.
Are labs any cheaper in low, or just more available? How about factories?
If you run missions in low (other than unprobable ships) is it safe? I've heard of people using speed-tanked ships and jetison'ing something on the warp-in point so that they decloak anyone who warps in... But other than FW missions I haven't really heard of people running stuff like L4s in low... how do you make money in low?
(assuming you don't get ransoms).
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Sorry for length of post, but I'm just trying to figure out a feasible way of getting carebears into low if you provide some cover for them.
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Mirtillo
Gallente Los Chupacabras
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Posted - 2010.10.21 08:08:00 -
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1) Yes, actually I saw a lot of mining ops running in Evati (Orca support as well); 2) both more available; 3)You can do lvl 4 in low, scanner is the way.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.21 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/10/2010 08:13:10 I personally use a Rupture for Lo-Sec Exploration in quite regions. I use a cloak for when people linger in system for to long, and might upgrade to a Cane soon.
There are more Radars and higher teir Plexes and Anoms but it isn't stable income, a lot of waiting and walking away with less then you expect especially if new. When you score you can score big. Radars give 20-25 mil on average so thats your most stable income but feel free to check belts for Battleships and faction spawn.
My Ruppy
4x 425mm Auto's 1x Core Probe Launcher 1x Prototype Cloak
1x 10mn AB 1x Cap Recharger II 1x Codebreaker I (for Radars)
1x Medium Armor Rep II 3x Hardeners/Resist Plates for Rats 1x Gyro II
6 Hobgoblin II's
1-2x Gravity Capacitors 0-2x CCC Rigs
An Analyser and Salvager in the hold if there is a free station for Mag sites.
There are better ships especially Tech 2 and 3, but I like my Rupture so far.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.21 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 21/10/2010 08:15:27
I did a few weeks of missioning in an Abaddon in 0.1 and never got killed. Systems had between 5-20 people in local most of the time. I found that if you take the right precautions it isn't so dangerous at all and with a quality 20 agent in a 0.0 the lp you'll earn is very juicy. Also it is MUCH more fun than missioning in highsec due to the added dangers.
Things to take into account:
ò Keep tabs on EVERYONE in local and color code them it will help tremendously to identify potential threats ò Use a second account in a cloaky to scout gates for you if you need to go next door. ò Also put this alt as eyes on your mission gates ò Use docking and undocking bookmarks for every station you use ò Often d-scan for combat scanner probes; gtfo if you see them
Combat plexes are much the same recipe while Radars are generally very easy and you can do them with cruiser hulls.
Additionally, for ship defense if all precautions failed you could go with cap boosters rather than rechargers / relays, fit a neut and also bring some ECM drones for last line defense against tackling small ships.
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Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2010.10.21 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Prince Spiderman on 21/10/2010 19:22:14 Nothing is safe in EVE. Nowhere in EVE you are safe. Especially in low-sec.
I was running missions a lot in Uphallant a long time ago before I switched to PvP. At this time I had no alt. In low-sec mission running gives better profit but at much higher risk. Even in hi-sec you should watch your back when you fly missions in your 20bil Marauder :-)
My recommendations: before you enter low-sec for carebearing, take the time in a cov ops or Interceptor and scout the area for tactical bookmarks first: > insta undocks - spots straight from the undock - optimally off grid at 1000-2000km - where you warp immediately to when you undocked and no station camper can lock you down > 2 more around stations at 200-300km where you can warp to when you just want to check visual > use stations with a high docking range if possible > safe spots > gate spots - when you jumped and decloak you are aligned parallel to the gate, just burn in that direction off grid and do a spot it's not an insta warp but helps to warp off without aligning first > do the same in neigbor systems especially the ones who lead you to the nearest hi-sec
When you warp at any bookmark be aware that you can be probed out in a few seconds when there are probes pre-placed. Always align to a planet or station. Never stand still or just move into empty space. Have you aligned spot always active so that you just need to hit the warp button if a hostile warps in or a ship decloaks. An insta undock is a nice spot but with the actual probe system it's a dead spot once you insta warped and someone hit the probe button a few secs later.
Mission running is dangerous but that's low-sec. Especially the mishs without gates. Check your scan for probes and cancel the mission if probes are on scan. Finally the best method is to drop a can at the warp in spot of an acceleration gate and you try to start the mission from a good distance. Be aware that the mish pockets can be camped when you come back for looting.
System gates are dangerous because they can be camped. Use a cloak on your mish ship with a MWD. I know that a MWD is useless in deadspace but you want to survice. When the gate is camped and you jumped, just keep cool because you have 30 seconds, zoom out, check the system for eg. a station to warp to, align to this, hit cloak and then MWD. The MWD will do one cycle while cloaked, uncloak when the cycle is done and hit warp.
Generally: use a second account with cov ops or recon. This makes life in low-sec much easier and you enjoy the fun.
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PureMurder
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:31:00 -
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Thanks for the replies guys!
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.10.21 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Spiderman Edited by: Prince Spiderman on 21/10/2010 19:32:30 Nothing is safe in EVE. Nowhere in EVE you are safe. Especially in low-sec.
I was running missions a lot in Uphallant a long time ago before I switched to PvP. At this time I had no alt. In low-sec mission running gives better profit but at much higher risk. Even in hi-sec you should watch your back when you fly missions in your 20bil Marauder :-)
My recommendations: before you enter low-sec for carebearing, take the time in a cov ops or Interceptor and scout the area for tactical bookmarks first: > insta undocks - spots straight from the undock - optimally off grid at 1000-2000km - where you warp immediately to when you undocked and no station camper can lock you down > 2 more around stations at 200-300km where you can warp to when you just want to check visual > use stations with a high docking range if possible > safe spots > gate spots - when you jumped and decloak you are aligned parallel to the gate, just burn in that direction off grid and do a spot it's not an insta warp but helps to warp off without aligning first > do the same in neigbor systems especially the ones who lead you to the nearest hi-sec
When you warp at any bookmark be aware that you can be probed out in a few seconds when there are probes pre-placed. Always align to a planet or station. Never stand still or just move into empty space. Have you aligned spot always active so that you just need to hit the warp button if a hostile warps in or a ship decloaks. An insta undock is a nice spot but with the actual probe system it's a dead spot once you insta warped and someone hit the probe button a few secs later.
Get intel over the daily activities in your system and neigbor systems. Find a good schedule for carebearing where pirates are not active. Usually the time before and right after DT is nice and silent in EVE. EVEning till midnight is more hot generally. From my experience. Google for killboards and figure out what shiptypes the local pirates use and when and where they are active.
Mission running is dangerous but that's low-sec. Especially the mishs without gates. Check your scan for probes and cancel the mission if probes are on scan. Finally the best method is to drop a can at the warp in spot of an acceleration gate and you try to start the mission from a good distance. Be aware that the mish pockets can be camped when you come back for looting.
System gates are dangerous because they can be camped. Use a cloak on your mish ship with a MWD. I know that a MWD is useless in deadspace but you want to survice. When the gate is camped and you jumped, just keep cool because you have 30 seconds, zoom out, check the system for eg. a station to warp to, align to this, hit cloak and then MWD. The MWD will do one cycle while cloaked, uncloak when the cycle is done and hit warp.
Generally: use a second account with cov ops or recon. This makes life in low-sec much easier and you will enjoy the fun.
This is fun? Are you guys crazy or what?
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Schwa88
Death By Association Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.10.21 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Schwa88 on 21/10/2010 23:22:50 Try Amamake, I hear it's got good oreses, and it's nice this time of year.
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Sir Carnage
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Posted - 2010.10.22 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Prince Spiderman quality advice
This is fun? Are you guys crazy or what?
Yes and Yes
support the parrot
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.22 05:33:00 -
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People are afraid of pirates. Now, pirates usually like stealing stuff off ships, or finding buried treasure. The obvious answer here, is adding buried treasure to lowsec to distract pirates. I like me
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How2FoldSoup
Vertex Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2010.10.22 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha People are afraid of pirates. Now, pirates usually like stealing stuff off ships, or finding buried treasure. The obvious answer here, is adding buried treasure to lowsec to distract pirates.
Someone...put this man in charge
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.22 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: How2FoldSoup
Originally by: Aiwha People are afraid of pirates. Now, pirates usually like stealing stuff off ships, or finding buried treasure. The obvious answer here, is adding buried treasure to lowsec to distract pirates.
Someone...put this man in charge
Dont need ccp for this, pirates just need to get back on track and start leaving their booty in anchored containers How I'd Fix Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
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Posted - 2010.10.28 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 28/10/2010 14:30:40
Originally by: Prince Spiderman Edited by: Prince Spiderman on 21/10/2010 19:32:30 Nothing is safe in EVE. Nowhere in EVE you are safe. Especially in low-sec.
I was running missions a lot in Uphallant a long time ago before I switched to PvP. At this time I had no alt. In low-sec mission running gives better profit but at much higher risk. Even in hi-sec you should watch your back when you fly missions in your 20bil Marauder :-)
My recommendations: before you enter low-sec for carebearing, take the time in a cov ops or Interceptor and scout the area for tactical bookmarks first: > insta undocks - spots straight from the undock - optimally off grid at 1000-2000km - where you warp immediately to when you undocked and no station camper can lock you down > 2 more around stations at 200-300km where you can warp to when you just want to check visual > use stations with a high docking range if possible
Yes know and avoid kickout stations (most well know example being the lone station in Tama)
Originally by: Prince Spiderman
> safe spots > gate spots - when you jumped and decloak you are aligned parallel to the gate, just burn in that direction off grid and do a spot it's not an insta warp but helps to warp off without aligning first > do the same in neigbor systems especially the ones who lead you to the nearest hi-sec
Very good advice save the gate spots, they are useless. When jumping in your ship is visually alignedbut eve physics make it so a ship at 0 speed is aligned toward everything, the only thing counting toward your time to warp is your agility.
Originally by: Roguehalo
This is fun? Are you guys crazy or what?
I've yet to fall asleep missioning in lowsec, can't say the same for high...
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Noob Ki'Lear
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.10.28 14:27:00 -
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Wont alot of the new 'invasions' by the sansha nation be in low sec, if so im sure the promise of uber loot will draw many, the invasion events will also apparently be shown on the map for everyone to see and get in on.
Personally im looking forward to be joining the sansha nation on these incursions whenever our wh's permit.
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Slimy Worm
Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2010.10.28 14:35:00 -
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Capping highsec bounties at 300k would fix highsec ISK farming and thus bring more veterans out of noob space. Highsec mining is so unprofitable anyway that it can stay as it is in highsec, except maybe with low-quality cruiser spawns in .7 and lower.
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MarcusFenix2
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Posted - 2010.10.28 15:04:00 -
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bah why mine when you can kill? 1. Buy Dessie 2. Blaster fit Dessie 3. Get an alt with a Blaster Dessie and a Badger alt 4. ???? 5. Profit!!!
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.10.28 15:13:00 -
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Carebears will not be happy working anything other than solo in a non-risk-free environment. They are the least trusting set I've ever met. With good reason.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.28 15:17:00 -
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Generally find some low populated/low jump count systems, and just roam them for a few weeks, get to know who frequents the systems and maybe get some pew-pew. Make lots of safes, at minimum 4, using old mission bookmarks works well since they are often outside of the most heavily traveled areas and far away from most celestials. Once you're comfortable in your little cluster of systems you should be fine to mess around as you like.
I semi-lived in Dantumi/Auhoruen (sp?) for a while, very little in the way of gank squads wandered through the area. Every once in a while I'd run across some pew-pew but mostly was just empty. I think action has picked up there since I moved away though. You'll find most people in local are either docked up all the time or are just passing through or managing a POS, with the occasional station camp or cyno for a Rorqual or some other such ship. Not much in the way of gate camps in the areas that are mostly deserted.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Cpt Tackle
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Posted - 2010.10.28 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha People are afraid of pirates. Now, pirates usually like stealing stuff off ships, or finding buried treasure. The obvious answer here, is adding buried treasure to lowsec to distract pirates.
I look for hidden treasure all the time -- it's called exploration.
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