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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.23 17:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Look at the areas where most PvP takes place on the map. In a few easily avoided hubs, where they present an endless stream of juicy targets who will drop tons of goodies with little or no effort because the victims don't take the slightest precaution due of a false belief that highsec is somehow "safe." That's has nothing to do with the sec level, though, but with people's nonchalance and carelessness. Quote: There's reason to be on your toes in Hisec. More accurately, there's reason to be on your toes anywhere and everywhere ù highsec is no exception. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.23 17:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Professor Tarantula Look at the areas where most PvP takes place on the map. In a few easily avoided hubs, where they present an endless stream of juicy targets who will drop tons of goodies with little or no effort because the victims don't take the slightest precaution due of a false belief that highsec is somehow "safe." I think you need to have another look. All of hisec is bright with PvP on the map. There is no false belief about hisec being safe, at least among the majority of people there, that's why they're all paranoid. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Brusanan Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.23 17:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time, that null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time. So, are suicide ganks on the rise, or is it just the number of ganks you hear about that is on the rise? I don't think you understand the difference. ______
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:22:00 - [34] Edited by: Lady Spank on 23/10/2010 18:24:02 Originally by: Brusanan So, are suicide ganks on the rise, or is it just the number of ganks you hear about that is on the rise? Whining and bitching on the forums is on the rise. I think Eve has had an influx of kids in the last year or something because the spoiled brat / WOWtard tone of many of these noobs is just nauseating to listen to. ~_~
The Internets	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:29:00 - [35] Edited by: The Internets on 23/10/2010 18:33:02 Originally by: Ormus Vinge As long as you need just some cheap BS to kill expensive Missionrunner Ships, some deadend 0.0 is way safer than Highsec. Other than faction BCUs/Heat Sings/etc, there is pretty much no reason at all to pimp out ships for mission running other than having nothing better to spend ISK on. Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 23/10/2010 18:24:02 Originally by: Brusanan So, are suicide ganks on the rise, or is it just the number of ganks you hear about that is on the rise? Whining and bitching on the forums is on the rise. I think Eve has had an influx of kids in the last year or something because the spoiled brat / WOWtard tone of many of these noobs is just nauseating to listen to. Having played both games quite extensively, your average "WOWtard" is significantly more polite and intelligent than EVE players. EVE players automatically assume that since the game is more complex that they're better; in actuality it's one of the worst communities in any MMO I've ever seen (just browse these forums for example).
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.10.23 18:44:00 - [36] CONCORD punishes. Alliance protects. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real!
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.23 19:20:00 - [37] It's no secret that nullsec is incredibly safe when secured by a sovereign entity under NBSI. That safety, along with the richest resources in the game, is the reward for securing space in nullsec. It's a shame that quantity (of pilots) is more important than quality as far as military might is concerned, but that's the way it goes if you want your MMORPG to have a sizable player base.
V'hellu	Posted - 2010.10.23 19:41:00 - [38] Originally by: The Internets Having played both games quite extensively, your average "WOWtard" is significantly more polite and intelligent than EVE players. EVE players automatically assume that since the game is more complex that they're better; in actuality it's one of the worst communities in any MMO I've ever seen (just browse these forums for example). Every MMORPG has their group of less-than-intelligent, rude, annoying, whiny brats. The only difference between Eve and WoW when it comes to this group, is you can only really notice it on Eve in the forums (probably because we don't have a global public chat that's just for the sake of talking, at least not one that I know of). However, after playing WoW also, I have experienced many times, the idiocy of the community there. PUG's are awful, and you always have the one person who goes "WAAAAAAAH things aren't going MY way, I'm leaving! Screw you guys!" But then again, I've played Aion, and it's exactly the same thing (though the worst thing about Aion is the company, not the community). my 2 cents anyway.
Supercon	Posted - 2010.10.23 20:23:00 - [39] Originally by: V'hellu answer to topic subject "Null sec is safer than high sec". No it's not. /thread I call BS. Hell, it's so safe, you can jetcan mine in 0.0 and not get robbed! Of course, as long as you are permitted to live in 0.0. If you're not permitted, you will be dealt with swiftly.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.23 20:35:00 - [40] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/10/2010 20:38:39 Originally by: Supercon Originally by: V'hellu answer to topic subject "Null sec is safer than high sec". No it's not. /thread I call BS. Hell, it's so safe, you can jetcan mine in 0.0 and not get robbed! Of course, as long as you are permitted to live in 0.0. If you're not permitted, you will be dealt with swiftly. Oh please. Many 0.0 alliances have so much sov sprawl you can travel around for days before anyone notices, also doesn't help that most members are casuals who only log in a couple times a week for fleet ops, if that. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.10.23 21:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Tippia on 23/10/2010 21:26:46 Originally by: Professor Tarantula I think you need to have another look. All of hisec is bright with PvP on the map. Not really. There are a couple of distinct clusters, all of which happen to coincide with the key pipelines and hubs. But even so, hell, I live in what to appears to be, if not gank central, then gank suburb, and the only reason for this is pure statistics: lots of people = lots of ganks, and not because it is in any way more or less unsafe than anywhere else. Quote: There is no false belief about hisec being safe, at least among the majority of people there, that's why they're all paranoid. Doubt it. Paranoia might explain the rise in whine threads, but it most certainly saves ships. If people were as paranoid as that, we would see a hell of a lot more avoidance tactics being used and a far dimmer mapà well, assuming people are bright enough to actually act on that paranoia, rather than just feel it and then complain when the obvious happens. Coincidentally, my observation is that the sentiment of a gank epidemic run very much in parallel with an increase in "highsec should be safe" threads. Of course, that could kind of prove us both right: ganks are on the rise, but they are just as uncommon as ever ù the gank-per-person count is exactly the same, but the amount of people has increased, of which the same ratio of safe:unsafe behaviour same the exact same proportion of ships as before. Maybe we should ask for a "ships destroyed in last 24h / average pilots in space" filterà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Hyveres Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.23 22:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash CONCORD punishes. Alliance protects. Dont think I've ever seen it written so clearly :) "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
BeachParty Caldari Semi Precious	Posted - 2010.10.23 22:47:00 - [43] Quote: Nothing like ratting(anoms) in null with two thanatos. You haven't ratted until you go ratting Badgers with a gank Tempest.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.24 00:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time, that null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time. Discuss. Certainly. What is the evidence that you would like to discuss? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
V'hellu	Posted - 2010.10.24 00:40:00 - [45] I'm just absolutely stumped as to why this is being discussed. The vast vast vast majority of folks live in high sec space. The amount of ships you're looking at that have been destroyed in high sec is a small fraction of those compared to the whole in high sec, whereas the fraction of those destroyed in null sec are probably much higher, considering most null sec systems are pretty much empty. Also, those are just ships destroyed. There's no way to tell how they were destroyed. If you want to look at pods destroyed, it's pretty obvious most of them were destroyed in low/null sec. So why is this still being discussed?
Boma Airaken White Song Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2010.10.24 01:02:00 - [46] The only dangerous thing about nullsec/0.0 is getting there. /thread
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.24 01:10:00 - [47] As a Northern Carebear, we supposedly have the 'safest' area of space in Eve, at least according to the OP. He seems to forget the massive invasions, roaming alliances and war decs we have had to repel to keep that space. Get an attention span greater than the last biased ISD article and you'll see that null sec is only safe if you fight for it.
Buzz Killingdon	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:02:00 - [48] Edited by: Buzz Killingdon on 25/10/2010 17:05:59
Corporal Punishment08 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:05:00 - [49] wow... I didn't expect so many people to get their panties so twisted over a simple observation and request to discuss. For the record, I haven't had anything ganked, nor will I, as anyone with half a brain knows to set up undock bookmarks when flying anything over 100m, and maybe to undock in something cheap first. Also, you should know the area you PVE in or mine in. Second of all, I was using the Jita thing as an EXAMPLE, and the Domi didn't get a lock on me, a message appeared saying "blah blah blah is attempting to warp scramble", I almost didn't even read that much, but I tend to read the last word of things, and the last word said "you", so i went back and read the rest of it. I laughed a little as I warped away. Not a big deal, I was just surprised at someone trying to target me from a Domi. My thoughts went to "Wow the bar has really lowered". As for being called a newb, well that's fine I don't much mind that, but I lived in the Drone Regions before and during the MM invasion with IRC, in Providence before the war started, when roams were on the rise, and in Sys-K space. Although I wasn't the most active player, and still am not now that I've left, when I was online, and there were no roams or HD fleets up, PVEing, it seemed to me, was way safer. And ofc, as some have mentioned, that is due to Local Channels and the many Intel Channels available to those with sov-holding alliances. Anyways, I would love to see the Local Channel changed to something like WH space, where you don't show up unless you speak. Someone mentioned this, and that's where I was hoping the conversation would go, but unfortunetly, some of you felt it necessary to bang your chest and try to make yourself sound manly by making me out to be a whiner, and that is where the conversation has shifted. So if there was a middle finger button, I'd be spamming it.
Baaldor Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Quote: that's why they're all paranoid. Not really, if they were ALL paranoid, they ALLwould be alert. If they ALLwere alert, there would not be any ******s dying by auto piloting their pinatas full of jewgold.
AFK Master AFK Chartered System Management	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:46:00 - [51] Due to me and my brethren, null sec is so unsafe you cannot mine, rat, use stargates or undock for that matter.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:50:00 - [52] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/10/2010 17:53:03 Originally by: Baaldor Originally by: Professor Tarantula that's why they're all paranoid. Not really, if they were ALL paranoid, they ALLwould be alert. If they ALLwere alert, there would not be any ******s dying by auto piloting their pinatas full of jewgold. The problem there is you think every kill like that is due to people thinking they're safe, when in fact it's a case of not caring. A T1 hauler is cheap, and losing one shipment now and then isn't a big deal. Pirates sure think it is, however. It's a risk most people in hisec take into consideration, and live with. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Baaldor Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.25 17:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/10/2010 17:53:03 Originally by: Baaldor Originally by: Professor Tarantula that's why they're all paranoid. Not really, if they were ALL paranoid, they ALLwould be alert. If they ALLwere alert, there would not be any ****s dying by auto piloting their pinatas full of jewgold. The problem there is you think every kill like that is due to people thinking they're safe, when in fact it's a case of not caring. A T1 hauler is cheap, and losing one shipment now and then isn't a big deal. Pirates sure think it is, however. It's a risk most people in hisec take into consideration, and live with. Actually I was just pointing out ALL as in your statement as an absolute. Then from there I ran off on a tangent taking ALL** with me.
Tom Sasaki	Posted - 2010.10.25 18:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Princess Jodi As a Northern Carebear, we supposedly have the 'safest' area of space in Eve, at least according to the OP. He seems to forget the massive invasions, roaming alliances and war decs we have had to repel to keep that space. Get an attention span greater than the last biased ISD article and you'll see that null sec is only safe if you fight for it. Always thought that was the backend systems in the drone regions and delve
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.10.25 19:34:00 - [55] If you think 0.0 is safer than hi-sec, then what's stopping you moving out there? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Ragnar256 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.25 19:36:00 - [56] You're never 100% safe anywhere in EVE. /thread :P

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