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buee
Valor Inc.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.24 17:53:00 -
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So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible (without requiring infinite energy). This, of course, has not yet been confirmed or replicated by the scientific community.
I'm sure that the vast majority of you would be thrilled if these findings were replicated, as it would bring time travel from science-fiction to science-plausable.
So let us now speculate, if these findings are proven to be a legitimate discovery, and time travel is truely somehow possible, what Paradoxs would you love to create?
Be creative, Kill ****** is so old....
Apparently the leader of the **** party in world war II is swear word, his name was bleeped.
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629739/ns/technology_and_science-science/ |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:05:00 -
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buee wrote:So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible for a particle with extremely low (or maybe even imaginary) mass that usually moves at almost c and tends not to interact with any stuff in its way.
FYP |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:07:00 -
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Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz.  |
buee
Valor Inc.
Nulli Secunda
10
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:15:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:buee wrote:So, I'm sure all of you have heard/ read about the recent discovery that faster than light travel may actually be possible for a particle with extremely low (or maybe even imaginary) mass that usually moves at almost c and tends not to interact with any stuff in its way. FYP
The post is for pure fun, not for scientific accuracy. This is a science-fiction game, after all. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:16:00 -
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Damn that German patent clerk, and his outlandish theories. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:37:00 -
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As its just subatomic particles we can only send signals, information, back in time. And even that will be hard. To do it we got to send those particles to a receiver a goodly distance away. Then transfer the information to a second FTL transmitter that's traveling a good fraction of the speed of light away from earth. Next, that FTL transmitter sends a stream of particles back to earth, and they should arrive before the first signal was sent.
Im thinking lottery numbers and stock prices.
For a good paradox, have an arriving FTL particle signal the turning off the transmitter at earth.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:56:00 -
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"... fired a neutrino beam 454 miles (730 kilometers) underground from Geneva to Italy.
They found it traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than light. That's sixty billionth of a second, a time no human brain could register."
Diameter of earth is 12,745km, so 12,745 / 730 = 17.5 * 60 nanoseconds = 1,047.5 nanoseconds, giving you a microsecond time advantage.
Hrmmm, what to do with a millionth of a second time advantage... I'm not even sure you could place a trade in market B based on the pre-knowledge of market A, due to the time needed to transmit the neutrinos from market A, detect them at market B, and then process the information to create a trade in market B in order to create a meaningful paradox.
In order to get a one second time advantage, you would need to place a neutrino detector about 12.2 billion km away. The distance from Earth to Pluto varies between 4.4 to 7.4 billion km. The Voyager I spacecraft reached 14 billion km back in 2005. (It took Voyager I 10,000 days (or 27 years) to reach that distance.)
Ah never mind.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:04:00 -
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[quote=Vincent Athena]
Im thinking lottery numbers and stock prices.
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Wouldn't work for lottery numbers. Lotteries normally stop accepting ticket sales some time before the drawing starts. Even if they didn't, it would take time to draw the lottery numbers, say a minute. If it's necessary to place a neutrino detector at the edge of the solar just to gain a one second headstart, and assuming you need quantum entanglement to "instantly" transmit the lottery numbers back to Earth in order to buy a ticket (and I'm pretty sure entanglement doesn't quite work that way,) then
a) the neutrino detector would be so far out that you might not be able to detect the neutrinos due to them spreading out, and
b) you would need to place the detector so far out that you would need a thousand years at Voyager I speeds to get the neutrino detector far enough away go give a one minute time advantage, at which point neither the lottery nor you would exist.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:46:00 -
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Not a swear word, but Forbidden in Germany unless used in certain contexts, mostly of a historical nature.
So most websites (ebay included) do not support the use of those words, symbols, or items relating to.
Mostly people react with a blanket ban on all mention of the subject rather than navigate the laws of Germany.
anyhow....
Since time travel can only go backward (and theoretically only as far back as the invention of the time machine)
damn near any time travel would create a slew of issues, and for the record I thought a paradox is when you meet yourself (a physical impossibility)
My theory is more simple.
I believe that Gravity waves can bend and distort time, much like the concept of folding space for instant travel over long distances. At certain points in time the gravity waves distort time so much it virtually brings a bit of the past forward to the present, A shadow if you will of the past.
Since time travel forward is impossible (so far) this is sort of like a one way mirror, where you can see the past, but the past cant see you.
This also explains the appearance of ghosts
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 21:07:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz.
Sengoku is not too too bad. It is fairly shallow though. I also did not get into the CK II beta :( Probably my most anticipated upcoming game. |
Ilix E'ka
Wormhole Exploration Crew
Night Sky Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:57:00 -
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the same scientists also say our reality shouldn't be able to allow faster than light, and that the particle is presumed to flicker to another dimension, move faster than light there where its allowed, then flickers back to ours. So to re-frame it, its not just that we will be able to make an engine that goes faster than light or bends time, we have evidence of another dimension and we will be able to explore it if we can do what those particles do.
The only inference so far is that it requires less energy to move things faster over there. What else is over there? |
Tyrnaeg en Varche
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Posted - 2011.09.27 08:48:00 -
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So CCP made it, they invented Time Dilation and MADE IT REAL.
Who's incompetent now, eh?? |
Veronica Zegna
Sinisenkuun Laguuni
GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.09.27 09:15:00 -
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3 hours before visible light:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A#Neutrino_emissions
If this experiment is to be believed, there should have been significant bursts from that direction (measuring the Cerenkov radiation allows for this) at least FOUR years before any visible light was measured. I doubt c is in any real danger. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.09.27 09:20:00 -
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paradox doesn't exist. by definition. if it looks like paradox, someone is lying.
so, watch your wallet. |
N'oah
ClownStar
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Posted - 2011.09.27 09:32:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Sheesh. Stop reminding me that Sengoku was rubbish and I didn't get accepted for the CK2 beta plz.
We just have to be patient  |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:28:00 -
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Veronica Zegna wrote:3 hours before visible light: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A#Neutrino_emissionsIf this experiment is to be believed, there should have been significant bursts from that direction (measuring the Cerenkov radiation allows for this) at least FOUR years before any visible light was measured. I doubt c is in any real danger.
Yep because we know everything about nature and the universe now, Wasn't the world flat 300 years ago?
Always amazes me how for the past 10000 years we have always been proved wrong about most things we still have this ferverant belief we know everything there is to know.
Although I must admit If time travel did exist don't you think Hilmar might have watched where he was leaving his emails lying around? 
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
The Offerer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.09.27 10:30:00 -
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buee wrote:So let us now speculate, if these findings are proven to be a legitimate discovery, and time travel is truely somehow possible, what Paradoxs would you love to create?
For a real paradox, try to pickpocket yourself in the past... you have the money and you don't have the money 
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Solstice Project
Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:17:00 -
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I'd teach Adolph how to draw better pictures.
Insta-Change-of-History !
Oh and besides, people never really believed the world was flat,
(every day i learn new things, or about old things that were wrong...)
but for some reason this "historical fact" still remains in the publics mind.
Probably because "mass media" don't give a **** about telling anybody (because none would care anyhow)
and 90% of the ppl don't give a **** about trying to be smarter than the rest.
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The Offerer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:22:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
Oh and besides, people never really believed the world was flat,
(every day i learn new things, or about old things that were wrong...)
but for some reason this "historical fact" still remains in the publics mind.
orly: http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:43:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:"... fired a neutrino beam 454 miles (730 kilometers) underground from Geneva to Italy.
They found it traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than light. That's sixty billionth of a second, a time no human brain could register."
Diameter of earth is 12,745km, so 12,745 / 730 = 17.5 * 60 nanoseconds = 1,047.5 nanoseconds, giving you a microsecond time advantage.
Hrmmm, what to do with a millionth of a second time advantage... I'm not even sure you could place a trade in market B based on the pre-knowledge of market A, due to the time needed to transmit the neutrinos from market A, detect them at market B, and then process the information to create a trade in market B in order to create a meaningful paradox.
In order to get a one second time advantage, you would need to place a neutrino detector about 12.2 billion km away. The distance from Earth to Pluto varies between 4.4 to 7.4 billion km. The Voyager I spacecraft reached 14 billion km back in 2005. (It took Voyager I 10,000 days (or 27 years) to reach that distance.)
Ah never mind.
So what you're saying is that if I sent myself a text message via a star in Abell 1835 IR1916 warning myself that I shouldn't text and drive that I could prevent the accident I had while texting myself that very same message while driving?
But then that would mean we would have had to already been there to place the transmission equipment in order to take advantage of this little quirk of nature. Isn't that basically what is stated in the theory of the Einstein Rosen bridge?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Gregor Palter
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:47:00 -
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I like how people are willing to assume that what we know about light speed is possibly wrong, but somehow still use theories based on exactly that (ie, time travel and similar nonsense) and then make statements on it.
Excuses are the refuge of the weak. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:51:00 -
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'Sup guys.
CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team BFF |
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:53:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:'Sup guys.
You should have locked it Paradox would have been a classic end to a lame thread
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2011.09.27 11:57:00 -
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Yes, this really should reside in Out of Pod. :)
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:16:00 -
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Happy to oblige. 
And a semi-ontopic joke:
"We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here" said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator
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Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.27 16:54:00 -
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chuck norris made holidays near cern. thats why the little things moved faster.
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:22:00 -
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From my own perspective, but sadly not experience...
the speed of light and time travel has
as much as to do with each other as
the speed of sound and time travel.
Not a haiku, sadly.
I would gladly be proved wrong, though.
Everyone vs. Everyone Online
"The universe is made of stories, not atoms" |
buee
Valor Inc.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:07:00 -
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I feel that mathematical reasoning cannot adequately describe the Universe, we try to define concepts with absolutes because we lack the mental capacity to understand the universe. So when something defies conventional logic, or mathematical reasoning, it is deemed impossible and therefore discarded.
Time as we know it is completely dependent on our perception. Time is not constant, it can slow and quicken its pace, and nobody can say for certain why this happens. So for you, or anyone else to say that time travel is absolutely impossible because the numbers just donGÇÖt add up is complete nonsense, the talk of someone without imagination or an open mind. Both things absolutely required for a scientist. A scientist said this, a scientist said that, one or both could be wrong GÇô and probably are. Throughout history, the most brilliant minds have been proven wrong by later generations. We thought the world was flat, now we know it to be round. So it stands to reason that our understanding of time is infantile at best.
This thread was never to state absolutes; to say that time travel for sure must be possible because things may be able to travel faster than light is fallacy, and was never my intention. It is pure speculation, entertainment of intellectual thought. If your mind simply cannot comprehend that some things are incomprehensible, then just donGÇÖt post at all. You are far too shallow.
Just have fun and post something interesting, if you can't, steer clear. |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.28 04:11:00 -
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buee wrote:I'm sure that the vast majority of you would be thrilled if these findings were replicated, as it would bring time travel from science-fiction to science-plausable.
Erm.. how do you figure that?
Since there are apparently so many of these particles bombarding everything everywhere, if time travel via these particles were possible, it would be a common thing happening.
But then you have the theory that time is an abstract measuring tool, to map objects as they move. If that is the case, then there is no time at all.
Going forward in time is easy in theory; stop all activity within a certain field until an outside source cancels it (how could an internal source stop time travel?)
In regards to these electron-like particles... it sure raises a LOT of questions though! How are they made? How are they propelled? Could they cause gravity? Does this add more pieces to the 'String Theory' argument? etc etc etc.
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.09.28 14:54:00 -
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Headerman wrote:
Going forward in time is easy in theory; stop all activity within a certain field until an outside source cancels it (how could an internal source stop time travel?)
Too bad this would require producing a temperature of absolute zero, which is impossible so long as you exist in this universe due to the fact that force fields extend infinitely. |
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