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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 23/10/2010 19:37:05 Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 23/10/2010 19:23:46 Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 23/10/2010 19:23:33
"They will kill me not because I found a better life, but because I tried to show others a life better than what the State could dream of!" The last words of Yume Houjuu, shortly before his arrest for treason.
On the 23rd and 24th of this month, the True Slave Foundations will be conducting operations centered on acquiring human beings currently left behind in Capsuleer hangers.
Capsuleers have a notorious habit of rescuing abandoned people in space that are left behind in their personal hangers without regard. To the credit of some, they make an attempt to accommodate their needs. To the detriment of many, they are not even considered in the slightest. It is confounding to believe that the most powerful people in the cluster, those that they 'own' are kept in questionable conditions even by live stock standards.
It is these people we have an interest in transferring to our possession so that we may address this issue.
For those of you interested in assisting us in this endeavor, you may refer to the following information.
On our list of systems to visit, these include Rens, Dodixie, Penirgman, and New Caldari. We would be appreciative of any human beings who are contracted over to us.
In the given systems, we ask you consolidate any of the following people you possess:
Freed Slaves Freedom Fighters Exotic Dancers Refugees Homeless Tourists Janitors Science Graduates Marines
Breeder Slave Captives Citizens Civilians Construction Workers Gang Of Miners
Hostages Infected Refugees Kidnapped Citizens
Militants Miner Pilgrims Political Envoy Prisoner Prisoners Production Assistant Prostitute Refugee Regiment Of Marines Scientist Ship's Crew Stranded Pilot Survivor Troubled Miner VIPs
- You must then contract them to True Slave Foundations.
- Financial compensation will be given to those who spend the time to transport particularly sizable bulks of people to us.
- We will not be purchasing any normal Slaves, due to a separate initiative that handles that subject already.
- Due to logistical concerns, we will not be accepting contracts farther than one jump from those designated systems. This may change in the future.
- Private exchanges may be arranged, but will receive less priority until public operations have concluded.
- For clarification: We will determine the amount we will pay, in order to prevent an abuse of our resources. Those who contract with fees risk being rejected for this reason.
For the humanitarian organizations concerned on our handling of these people, you may refer to the following.
We have spent time studying the appropriate needs of the wide variety of people we will be transporting to our facilities. To this end, the primary transport will house considerable accommodations in the way of frozen food stuffs, polytextiles, AIMEDs with general health care personnel, and consumer electronics to provide modern comforts. Single person, couple, family, small and large community rooms and holds have also been incorporated into the primary transport via Smartfab Units. Camera drones and similar automated sentries will be employed by our internal security to assist in maintaining order.
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Thank you for reading this announcement.
Edit; Misspelling. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:24:00 -
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If you do not feel like giving your people over to Sansha just because you cannot support them, kindly contract them to Gradient or myself personally instead.
Our refugee operations are up to handling extra people, and if the option is giving them over to Sansha, I think they count as "people rescued from slavery".
Transport, medical care, housing, basic necessities for life, schooling for children, assistance in seeking employment guaranteed for adults, etc, for those in the program provided free of charge. No one will be expected to stay in the program against their will.
Elsebeth Rhiannon CEO Gradient -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today. |
Alain Colcer
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:39:00 -
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The Olifant Foundation, with its home base in Colcer VI in the Giatole Constellation, is dedicated to giving opportunities to those less fortunate in life.
Since the Olifant Foundation is run by a relative, i offer transportation free of charge to anyone who wishes to transfer any civilians so they can have a new beginning in the Gallente Federation.
Better to be free individual living in Democracy, than a True Slave servant for a decadent Nation.
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon If you do not feel like giving your people over to Sansha just because you cannot support them, kindly contract them to Gradient or myself personally instead.
Our refugee operations are up to handling extra people, and if the option is giving them over to Sansha, I think they count as "people rescued from slavery".
You seem to be assuming that these people will be enslaved, Else. To create True Slaves (or indeed implant anybody with anything unless they give their full consent) is not the intention of these operations; we are seeking to address the issue of the quality of these people's lives.
As for 'supporting Sansha' with this, look at it logically -- we are funding their care, employment, housing, and so on and so forth. If anything, in supporting this operation you would be drawing funds away from other purposes that could assist the Nation more directly.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Transport, medical care, housing, basic necessities for life, schooling for children, assistance in seeking employment guaranteed for adults, etc, for those in the program provided free of charge. No one will be expected to stay in the program against their will.
The same goes for the Foundations' work here, yes. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:27:00 -
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No.
Don't mask what your true intentions with a facade of humanitarianism.
Every side accuses the other of being blind. It is almost as if Nation loyalists have forgot what Sansha Kuvakei actually did to become an enemy of the cluster.
Selective hearing... ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
Kybernetes Moros
Amarr True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Don't mask what your true intentions with a facade of humanitarianism.
As I've said, our intentions with this are purely humanitarian. These people are all too often kept in, to quote my overseer, conditions that would be questionable even for livestock. While I can guess what you think our 'True Intentions' are, all I can do at this stage is give you my word and the word of the Foundations that this is exclusively humanitarian -- as I just said to Else. |
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
We make no accusation of being blind in the announcement, merely address a behavioral pattern.
Inhonores, our true intentions are always plain and evident. Yet it seems to me, a lot of people hold onto the past far too much.
Do carry on. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:46:00 -
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Slave Heavenbound02 is hardly the past.
Sorry, but you will either have to hold yourself to account for it, or just continue to ignore it. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
Arvo Katsuya
Caldari True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Arvo Katsuya on 23/10/2010 21:04:22 We are doing this for the sake of the people who are trapped in a state of purgatory in a market system. A system through the SCC, that not even the Federation or Republic tries to fight, where slaves are being placed up... let alone marines, civilian workers, and even tourists. Step back and think about this.
If you are finding emotional outrage by us doing this when you have been blind to what has been happening for years, then please. By all means free them yourselves. As many are crying for help on rotting planets, so to are those in the markets.
Finally, Seriphyn. If you wish to flag around yet again your own daughter to your own political advantage, please create a new thread on the IGS for it. This is not the place for it.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:15:00 -
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You would most likely know I would happily derail this thread. No, firstly, Slave Heavenbound02 is not "my daughter". That is a weapon of psychological warfare used by your kind to demoralize the Coalition. I would like to ask you, if you insist on your good intentions, where exactly Rhea and Jaidon Heavenbound can be found, hm?
There is no "crying for help". The State has a system where any can rise from their "pit of despair" if they so choose. The Federation had, at one point, a welfare system, which I'm sure will come around once again, with the next Sociocrat government.
You are trying to score cheap PR points with a humanitarian endeavour, something that is totally inconsistent with Sansha's Nation itself. Again, the need to save others from material poverty might be the inner Gallentean in you lot. Or maybe there is an inner Amarrian, if you seek to save those from spiritual poverty as well? ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
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Arvo Katsuya
Caldari True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:27:00 -
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Branding whatever both parties say as propaganda is counterproductive.
If you wish to aid us, or have another humanitarian organization in mind where they can go to, it will be appreciated. If not, please stop. I will ask this simple request from you.
Run a market search in Sinq Laison or any other region in the Federation for Slaves.
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Niraia
Gallente GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.23 22:38:00 -
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I have purchased all (five hundred and one) of the freed slaves that I could find listed in the Domain regional market, and will make arrangements for their passage to Penirgman. I chose these people and this location because I think it should be particularly interesting to follow their adaptation to their new lives at TSF. Please keep me updated over our usual communication channels, and keep up the fine work! -
eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
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Goshien Aiel
Gallente The City-State of Awesometopia
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Posted - 2010.10.23 23:05:00 -
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Ha, now all those mortals will be safe. So many for their pilot to contemplate sending them to. Will it be the cool-headed tribal, or the cybernetic savior? Who to choose, who to choose?
Or, if someone was feeling frisky, they could just let the little bastards out of their hanger and send them on their way? -----------------------------------
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2010.10.24 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 24/10/2010 02:48:48 Upon having my attention drawn to the situation of slaves on Federal SCC markets, I, on behalf of the EL-G, took it upon myself to fulfill every single buy order in the Essence region, and am now in the possession of 378 slaves. Not a great amount by any means, but every individual counts.
All will have their slave status revoked after being processed through Federal Administration, have their identities confirmed and clarified, before being assigned work visas with Gallentean corporations of their choosing. Such a process will take a few days.
I recommend this approach compared to the idiotic and moronic decision by pilots to hand these freed slaves to an organization that calls itself True Slave Foundations. The naivety is disturbing. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU] |
Arvo Katsuya
Caldari True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.24 03:10:00 -
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Thank you, Seriphyn. That was all I asked. All help is appreciated.
The concept to the meaning of a 'True Slave', and 'True Citizen', are more complex than the names imply. Again, this does not belong here. If you're interested to discuss the topic, I can create a thread about it... Ghost, myself and others can help explain to those willing to listen. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.10.24 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 24/10/2010 04:20:21
Ah. More PR. Well-- humanitarian work, if you like.
Pilots, there's really every chance that the TSF initiative isn't going to be turning anyone into a True Slave. If they did so, it would show every pilot in the cluster their true colors-- and these people have insisted that the Nation's purpose is, in fact, salvation (and not even of any very coercive sort).
No, this is exactly what it is when a for-profit, human-built corporation engages in charity work: PR. The corporation actually does engage in or sponsor such work rather than profiteering (in this case, abducting and turning people) on the sly, but not out of any particularly deep humanitarian impulse. It's done because by doing so, they look all shiny and humanitarian, and people like them better as a result.
People like them, people buy their products, people invest in their stocks, stocks go up, profits go up, and the corps' accountants smile.
So, TSF is probably sincere-- about trying to polish its image. Likely they do believe that all those people would be better off implanted, but will hold off on that portion of their humanitarianism for the sake of gaining political capital.
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Saikoyu
Amarr Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2010.10.24 06:14:00 -
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I will second Elsebeth Rhiannon's offer with my own. Rho Dynamics and the New Life organization, which is well equipped to help and support those individuals a capsuleer may have in their hangers, extend an offer to take over the care of these people. Training and counseling will be given as needed to these people, and when they are ready to leave, transport will be given to any planet or station free of charge on Interbus shuttle. Rho Dynamics is capable of accepting contracts in any region of any of the four empires, for any number of people. Contracts in null sec will be met with a request for escort or movement of these people into Empire space. Rho Dynamics will not give out monetary compensation above a refund of the contract fees. Please contract these people to Rho Dynamics or myself under the name Saikoyu.
Rho Dynamics recruitment |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.24 09:53:00 -
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Yes, Kybernetes, I consider giving people to the hands of Sansha pretty much the equivalent of giving them to the hands of the Amarr Empire. No, not all of them will end up in slavery and like Captain Jenneth points out, obviously it suits you in this current situation to make nice of it.
But, still. True Slaves exist, and more of them every day. The Nation abducts people who'd rather suicide than go along.
Go to an Amarrian hell with your "charity".
Elsebeth
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Maris Verdure
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:17:00 -
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I wasn't going to say anything, but godsdamn...
Hey, *******s!
Even something that can't count higher than 1 could figure out that programs like this already exist. If you've really got humanitarian goals, you would be out there working with those programs instead of rolling a new wheel onto IGS.
But, oh, no, Mademoiselle Verdure! We're Sansha! Nobody likes Sansha! Nobody wants to work with us! This makes us sad! We just want to help! So we have to start a program of our own and advertise it to the entire cluster! It's not PR! It's self-defense!
Hey, if you'd said that, you'd have a non-metal point. Had one of you ****s approached me about the work I do ... yeah, I'd probably admit to my boss that she was ****ing right about insisting I have marines on board when I transport refugees. Not that they'd be able to ****ing help if any of you noticed...
Damn it.
If you're sincere about wanting to do something for humanity, convince your Head Robot to stop taking people from planets and turning them into meat puppets. The cluster doesn't exactly have a shortage of those.
Also, I ****ing saw what you ****ing did there, with making offers for scientists, science graduates and production assistants. What, somebody's beginning to get scared that somebody might figure out how your Head Robot's having this mass kidnapping **** done? |
Tiara Demir
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tiara Demir on 24/10/2010 11:30:19 The Sansha puppet has a point about some capsuleers and their handling of passengers. Some of us really do get a little too detached from where we came from after the dozenth body. It's a shame, especially considering that some of them are Minmatar.
Rabid dogs like the Sansha making themselves out as humanitarians, or claiming moral high ground is laughable. You're what happens when a rogue drone and an Amarr high priest get these special feelings for each other. I did a quick puoll with my crew - and it was near unanimous - being jettisoned into a star was preferrable to being handed over to Sansha cronies.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.24 15:40:00 -
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Looks like the poor mindless enslavers of the universe are being oppressed here. Have you considered contacting the murderous blood drinkers for support against this bullying?
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Kybernetes Moros
Amarr True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.24 16:56:00 -
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If there are organisations you feel would be a better route for these, then by all means use them instead. We're hardly going to try and stop people doing the same work we are.
As for 'starting a programme of our own and advertising it to the entire cluster', Mlle. Verdure, we're raising awareness of the issue. While the apparent existence of other similar initiatives is somewhat reassuring, the fact remains that we are, it seems, the only ones actively making people aware of the issues are us. In addition, how proactive are these other programmes? It seems the me that you are waiting for a minority to hand people over, rather than taking an active role in helping these people.
That leads me to another point you raised -- 'working with those [pre-existing] programmes instead of rolling a new wheel onto the IGS.' It seems at best ineffectual and at worst idiotic to try and approach other organisations about working together when we have done so in the past (admittedly, over unrelated matters) and were rejected by their leadership and raised all hell from the membership.
Why, however, is it so unimaginable that we could be doing something out of simple humanitarian interest? Sure, PR may be a secondary effect, but it was not the primary aim when we began organising this programme. Like Arvo has said plenty of times before, if both sides discount everything the other says as simple propaganda, how will anyone ever get anywhere? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.24 18:18:00 -
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I assure you, Kybernetes Moros, that should you approach me with the offer of releasing people from Sansha loyalists to EM freedom programs, I would gladly work with you on that.
Else
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Lancashirian
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Posted - 2010.10.24 18:51:00 -
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We, as capsuleers have a unique perspective, in that we cannot fully die unless we choose to do so. These people, if we were to turn them over to the Sansha would be dead, but their bodies would not be. There would be nothing left of their souls and they would not come back. I say we turn over all the requested individuals to someone who can care for them, rather than to turn them into zombies that will come back to kill their own families in the name of a man who has lost touch with all reality.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.10.24 21:01:00 -
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Any capsuleer handing civilians over to Sansha supporters will be considered a slaver. All individuals identified and their corporations will be dealt with appropriately.
If you want such civilians off your hands there are other organisations willing to take them.
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Arvo Katsuya
Caldari True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.24 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Any capsuleer handing civilians over to Sansha supporters will be considered a slaver.
As I prompted Seriphyn, I humbly ask you to do the same. Please run a search on the market in both Metropolis and Heimatar for Slaves.
We are doing what we can, but there is still much that has to be done.
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Myyona
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.10.24 21:49:00 -
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I think this is a good time to remind people that Ataraxia Pharmacies has been running a humanitarian aid program for refugees and homeless over the years and, in co-operation with SoE, thousands of unfortunate souls have been helped to get back on their feet.
This operation is still being funded and is running more safe than ever with the recent acquirement of a corporate security force.
--- Myyona CEO, Ataraxia Pharmacies ATAP Humanitarian aid effort |
Maris Verdure
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.10.25 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kybernetes Moros Why, however, is it so unimaginable that we could be doing something out of simple humanitarian interest? Sure, PR may be a secondary effect, but it was not the primary aim when we began organising this programme. Like Arvo has said plenty of times before, if both sides discount everything the other says as simple propaganda, how will anyone ever get anywhere?
I think I'll repeat myself. Maybe I was swearing too much last time.
If you *******s are sincere about wanting to do something for humanity, convince the drone buggering megalomaniac you're working for to stop taking people from planets...
****.
I'm not sure I can repeat myself without swearing at you ****bites. **** a duck.
Oh, and nice dancing around my pointing out all the technical people you're trying to shift off the job market. Pretty ****ing impressive. I didn't think Amarr guys had that much natural rhythm. Was that an upgrade?
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Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.10.25 16:41:00 -
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Since my colleagues have already pointed out that there are dozens of established humanitarian programs run by far more trustworthy individuals--including, I like to think, ourselves--I'll just point out what a perfect example this discussion provides of how completely the ability of Sansha's thugs to speak any known language is destroyed. They make the same sounds, but what comes out contains no content: "Slave" doesn't mean "slave," "support" is narrowed into meaninglessness, the understanding of filial relation is entirely scrambled. And so on and so forth.
I'm not sure if it's because of something like a TCMC implanted into them, a virus uploaded into their capsuleer implants, or just the sheer revulsion of the thought of proclaiming loyalty to that son of a ***** that annihilates sections of the human mind.
Maybe some of you will be willing to donate your brains to science so we can find out. You know, for freedom. And liberty.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.10.25 19:24:00 -
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In the spirit in which the TS-F have announced their humanitarian effort I, likewise, offer the same.
Today I announce the creation of the Anabella Rella Sancha Emancipation (ARSE) program. The program's goal is to identify those nominally human spokespersons under Sancha control, return them to Empire space and emancipate them from their miserable lives, err...I mean to say their Sancha mind-control devices, via the liberal use of EMP rounds accelerated to hypersonic velocities via 650mm Autocannon II and/or Caldari Navy Thunderbolt heavy missiles. My service is offered anywhere in high or low security Minmatar space at no cost to those so sadly afflicted.
Please feel free to contact me so we can make the appropriate arrangements. I look forward to having many Sancha "kiss my ARSE" in gratitude for their newly found freedom. What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand. |
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