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5 Liter
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:28:00 -
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ok you can sell plex ingame for isk that you payed real $$ for cant you now link isk-cash.And shouldnt ther be a draw back to this.I think like 1 plex or time card to sell per account per month. Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.This was a good idea gone bad. So now that you can pump RL $ into this game to get ingame stuff i think it will be the down fall of this game since you can now just buy skilled toons insted of working your noob butt off to get what you want Screw it just buy it.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Hell's Librarians
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:32:00 -
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I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S |
Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:36:00 -
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Welcome to what, a year and a half ago?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:36:00 -
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Every isk traded for plex was earned through in-game efforts. Someone had to grind missions or rat bounties to earn it. Every toon sold at the bazaar required someone to dedicate time and money to training it up. Character trading and plex allow for the transfer of game assets between players. Net change to the system = 0.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:39:00 -
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RL cash can buy skill points and ships, but it cant teach you how to play.
One good thing about this game is there are plenty of people with more money than sense, flying expensive ships they dont have a clue how to use.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
RL cash can buy skill points and ships, but it cant teach you how to play.
One good thing about this game is there are plenty of people with more money than sense, flying expensive ships they dont have a clue how to use.
I once killed a T1 fitted phantasm.
I nearly cried on the spot.
I like me
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Welcome to what, a year and a half ago?
More than that. We got PLEXes as part of Quantum rise, and that was two years ago ù GTC trading is even older than thatà
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Cazar Imris
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Posted - 2010.10.25 20:56:00 -
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Just because you can (essentially) buy characters for real life money it doesn't mean everybody does. I've been playing over a year now and only have what I made myself. And I'm broke (ISK wise). I could buy 2 PLEXs and sell both, I've got the money to spare for that, but I won't. I could buy a 20 million SP character with real money, I could probably afford that too, but I won't. I play the game as an alternate reality. It's a separate world to this one. The only real money that goes in to that alternate reality is to pay for a month of game time to keep enjoying it.
I'm sure there are plenty of people like that. And besides, how long have people been able to use real money to influence their game through the buying of PLEXs and selling of them for ISK? It's quite a while, over a year. If it was going to ruin the game, it already would have.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cazar Imris
If it was going to ruin the game, it already would have.
This!
I have been paying for my subscription using ISK for almost 4 years now. I am sure that others have been doing it longer, as the GTC market was well established before I found out about it.
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Hellsmoke
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: 5 Liter
Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.
Correct me if im wrong,but plex wasn't even around as the first titan was built.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hellsmoke
Correct me if im wrong,but plex wasn't even around as the first titan was built.
The current secure methods were not around, but the insecure methods were supported by CCP before the first Titan was built.
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Alyth
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Hellsmoke
Correct me if im wrong,but plex wasn't even around as the first titan was built.
The current secure methods were not around, but the insecure methods were supported by CCP before the first Titan was built.
Steve was produced by the blood, sweat, tears and shady dealings of ASCN members I'll have you know! 
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:28:00 -
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Makes the destruction of those ships even more wonderful. |
Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
RL cash can buy skill points and ships, but it cant teach you how to play.
One good thing about this game is there are plenty of people with more money than sense, flying expensive ships they dont have a clue how to use.
omg, you can buy SP with ISK, please tell me the way
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.10.25 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alyth
Steve was produced by the blood, sweat, tears and shady dealings of ASCN members I'll have you know!
To be clear, I was pointing out that GTC trades were established before the first Titan was built. As an example, here is a link to a GTC sales thread from June 2005, six months before RMR introduced Titans to the game.
I have no direct knowledge about how ASCN funded the construction of their Titan. However, with the extremely low going rate of GTC's back then (100 mil for 90 days  ), I strongly doubt that GTC's would have been used much if any of the cost of a titan.
The key point is that, if GTC/PLEX trades were going to ruin the game, they would have done so long, long ago.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.25 22:43:00 -
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Best result of Isk for RL Cash
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Players ignorant of the game flying expensive ships in dangerous space and thinking they are safe.
If CCP wanted to give low sec pirates "Phat Loot targets", PLEX has probably more that tripled (or more) the number of stupid Phat Loot targets killed over the last year or so.
Having said that, it has probably also allowed some extra Isk in the hands of folks that don't lose a lot of stuff.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar
Guerrilla Flotilla
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: 5 Liter
ok you can sell plex ingame for isk that you payed real $$ for cant you now link isk-cash.And shouldnt ther be a draw back to this.I think like 1 plex or time card to sell per account per month. Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.This was a good idea gone bad. So now that you can pump RL $ into this game to get ingame stuff i think it will be the down fall of this game since you can now just buy skilled toons insted of working your noob butt off to get what you want Screw it just buy it.
isk has always been linked to cash, now so denmark coin things.... not so much :)
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
CareBears on Fire
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Noob
Originally by: heheheh
RL cash can buy skill points and ships, but it cant teach you how to play.
One good thing about this game is there are plenty of people with more money than sense, flying expensive ships they dont have a clue how to use.
omg, you can buy SP with ISK, please tell me the way
Certainly
You pay ISk to acquire a character. You gain the same number of (already spent) skill points the other player involved in the transaction loses.
Or did you mean tell you how to generate unspent skill points from thin air with ISK? That, fortunately, has not happened.
Yet.
--Vel
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Seras Athran
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Noob
Originally by: heheheh
RL cash can buy skill points and ships, but it cant teach you how to play.
One good thing about this game is there are plenty of people with more money than sense, flying expensive ships they dont have a clue how to use.
omg, you can buy SP with ISK, please tell me the way
Hold down control and type "Quickskill". Every time you do it you will lose 10 million ISK and gain 10,000 skill points in the skill you are training.
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Aargolos
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:35:00 -
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I've sold a few PLEX's to get some extra ISK on several occasions, the latest ones a few months back to my corp-mates for less than the market value.
Summer is my busy time with work, and with more time to make cash--and less to play EvE--it allowed me to build up a little stockpile of ISK while spending some of my tips from work. In-game, I don't do anything that doesn't involve things exploding but mission grinding on my days off just isn't fun. This sorts that problem out nicely.
The model seems pretty sound: people with lots of time to play the game can buy PLEX off people with less time to play the game. Everyone is happy.
Err, almost everyone.
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Mehrune Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:39:00 -
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I bought one of the 60 day plex when I created my char, and the isk has gone a long way funding skills, implants, and ships. I have a barge and can make my own money now, so I don't need to buy it anymore.
Rather than game-breaking, I think it's a great way for new players to get a head start. However if buying plex turns into an addiction I think it hurts the player a lot more than the game. |
4twenty time
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:56:00 -
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plex and gtc is how pirates keep it up day after day they talk abought it all the time on TS lol
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.26 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: 5 Liter
Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.
Stupid rumours. There were no PLEX at that time.
Why is it that recently so much BS is written? |
heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.26 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
I once killed a T1 fitted phantasm.
I nearly cried on the spot.
Haha, that is awsome and exactly my point.
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Corporal Punishment08
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.10.26 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: 5 Liter
Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.
Stupid rumours. There were no PLEX at that time.
Why is it that recently so much BS is written?
Exactly. Your post is the BS. That has already been discussed. Read before you post, so as to not waste people's time reading your BS.
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Xeross155
Minmatar
New Eden Renegades
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:44:00 -
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So you're basically saying EVE is dying, I wonder where I heard that before. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
Your post is the BS. That has already been discussed.
So you're saying that the first titan was built in the fall/winter of 2008? |
Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:45:00 -
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I think it's a good idea. It allows a way for new players to catch up to old players in the mounds of ISK that they have. |
Omir Kajil
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Seras Athran
Hold down control and type "Quickskill". Every time you do it you will lose 10 million ISK and gain 10,000 skill points in the skill you are training.
LMAO.
I see what you did thar. 
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"Even a fool knows you can't touch the stars, but that won't keep the wise from trying."
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: 5 Liter
ok you can sell plex ingame for isk that you payed real $$ for cant you now link isk-cash.And shouldnt ther be a draw back to this.I think like 1 plex or time card to sell per account per month. Rumor has it the first titan in game was built from plex cards sold from one guy.This was a good idea gone bad. So now that you can pump RL $ into this game to get ingame stuff i think it will be the down fall of this game since you can now just buy skilled toons insted of working your noob butt off to get what you want Screw it just buy it.
yesyoucansellplexforinagmeiskifyouwanttospendyourreallifecashon it.There is a drawback to doing that, it's called losing real-life cash in order to purchase virtual goods that are more than easily destroyed. Whether you spend RL cash or RL time to get the ISK (either with GTC/PLEX to ISK, or grinding missions, or multiple manufacture or mining alts, or trading or whatnot), the end result is the same, you get some ISK, which you can lose just as easily regardless of what exactly you were doing to get them in the first place. How exactly is that supposed to be a bad idea, I don't know. Ok, it's not an all-round-great idea, but overall, it's quite high up towards the positive end of the fail-win spectrum. You could "pump RL cash" into the game to make more ISK ever since the game started working via multiple alts, then it got slightly easier with GTCs, then it got much easier with PLEX. And let's not even start talking about how RMT will always exist to some degree, but it would reach horribly overpowering levels if the GTC/PLEX-for-ISK mechanics would not be in place.
Yes, an absolute nobody COULD dump a truckload of cash, buy himself an "uber-character" and the topest of the very top ultra-mega-super-duper with cherry whip cream on top equipment on the insano-expensive limited edition almost completely overpowered ship he also just purchased.
Then next thing that happens, a gang of 30 cheaply fitted suicide-ganking battleships whumps his ass at the first high-traffic gate he passes on autopilot.
Also, who cares how the first titan was purchased by his owner ? And it would have been GTC, not PLEX, but close enough, I suppose.
The minerals for the titan were mined by players (or obtained by players by other means). The components manufactured from those purchased minerals were also manufactured by regular players. The ISK used to buy those minerals and/or those components was also obtained by some players by playing the game normally. The system sov needed to anchor the CSAA was obtained and maintained by regular players too. The defense (or secrecy) of its construction was achieved by (some of) the same people. EVERYTHING about that titan (and just about any ship ever built in EVE) was about player effort.
So what if the actual owner would have really spent RL cash to have it be his ?
It blows up just as easily.
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