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Krollin
Minmatar
Bi'Atch Inc
Warsmiths.
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:20:00 -
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Greetings,
I fully agree and understand why a wreck can be freely salvaged by anyone without being aggressed to the wreck owner. However what I have never managed to fully understand is why a wreck belongs to the mission owner IF anyone else kills that NPC. I just dont understand the mechanics of this and furthermore I cannot see how it fits into the game - it does not make sense (to me anyway)
I would like to propose this be reverted to its original position whereby the person who destroyed the ship is marked as its owner.
I know this is probably asking alot but if you dont ask you dont get....
Many thanks.
Kro
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:34:00 -
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They see me Krollin...the hatin'...
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:19:00 -
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 Originally by:
However what I have never managed to fully understand is why a wreck belongs to the mission owner IF anyone else kills that NPC.
I may be wrong but the last time I ran a mission in a mixed corp fleet, the wrecks were tied back to the corp of the fleet member that got the final blow on the NPC, not the person who started the mission.
Has that been changed?
Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying.
--Vel
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dav Varan on 27/10/2010 16:23:25
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by:
However what I have never managed to fully understand is why a wreck belongs to the mission owner IF anyone else kills that NPC.
I may be wrong but the last time I ran a mission in a mixed corp fleet, the wrecks were tied back to the corp of the fleet member that got the final blow on the NPC, not the person who started the mission.
Has that been changed?
Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying.
I did someone else's FW mission the other night.
They had bugged out and were not even in local.
All the wrecks I created belonged to them.
Not sure when it changed or even if it was a bug.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan
I did someone else's FW mission the other night.
They had bugged out and were not even in local.
All the wrecks I created belonged to them.
Not sure when it changed or even if it was a bug.
Maybe it's a FW "feature"?  Never seen that before - interesting.
--Vel
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:18:00 -
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The mission runner is tasked with the objective, if there exists an item that has to be acquired then it is the mission runner who must get it, assigning ownership to them makes sense from this standpoint IMO. If a 3rd party comes into the mission like a 'ninja' or a ransomer/griefer they can destroy the objective 'drop' target and swipe it w/o any penalty if ownership isn't tied to the mission runner who accepted the mission. The mission runner is then left to attack the ninja and be concorded for their attempt to reclaim their objective or face having to pay a ransom to get back their objective.
Doing what you ask just makes this griefing/ransoming a riskless pursuit for the griefer/ransomer not that a PVE ship has much chance to stand up to a PVP ship in the first place but there is no reason I see to make it even 'safer' for them.
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Krollin
Bi'Atch Inc
Warsmiths.
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Posted - 2010.10.28 10:22:00 -
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Hi,
This was something that was changed over a year ago and I believe it affects both normal and FW missions.
I fully appreciate that if the mission objective belongs to someone other than the mission owner you open yourself to be griefed or held to ransom over the objective. I am happy for the objective to remain the property of the mission owner.
My post more relates to the wrecks (albeit in some missions the objective is dropped or help in a wreck). In my mind it does not sit right and as such I have suggested that this be reversed and whoever kills the NPC takes ownership of it - simple.
Running missions is not safe and nor should it be, you are open to invasion, ninja salvagers and in some cases being ganked. I do not feel this change would adversely effect mission runners.
Kro
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.28 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Krollin
Hi,
This was something that was changed over a year ago and I believe it affects both normal and FW missions.
I fully appreciate that if the mission objective belongs to someone other than the mission owner you open yourself to be griefed or held to ransom over the objective. I am happy for the objective to remain the property of the mission owner.
My post more relates to the wrecks (albeit in some missions the objective is dropped or help in a wreck). In my mind it does not sit right and as such I have suggested that this be reversed and whoever kills the NPC takes ownership of it - simple.
Running missions is not safe and nor should it be, you are open to invasion, ninja salvagers and in some cases being ganked. I do not feel this change would adversely effect mission runners.
Kro
You realize that your second to last sentence covers mission running 'not being safe' and that assigning ownership of wrecks to the player that kills it just makes griefing easier and more safe? Why should they have an easier time of griefing a mission runner, why should the 'ninja', griefer, and even ganker always be safe?
Griefing *IS* safe and doesn't need to be boosted for scared players who can't take the 'heat' that a mission runner in their PVE ship might fight back if they stole loot from the mission runner through taking the loot from a wreck the MR destroyed or one they might actually destroy themselves.
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