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Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.28 04:19:00 -
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I just recently started a colony on a planet, and I have it producing superconductors. However, it appears that producing superconductors won't give a very good return on my investment.
I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I should produce to make the greatest profit in PI. I'm working on my PI skills currently, so any product is not out of the question eventually. I'm in the domain region, currently.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:56:00 -
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Don't.
Wait for the click-sink fix.
The hundreds of thousands of clicks you make today will be devalued when the UI is made usable.
You'll be sad later.....
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Meylota LeFey
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.28 07:19:00 -
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Right now, the best value is for POS fuel components -- Enriched Uranium and Coolant especially, but also Mechanical Parts and Robotics.
Still and all, as you move up the production ladder, the prices drop to below the cost of the materials needed for them, so overall your best bet is to actually sell the P1 materials (basic refine) needed to make the "more profitable" higher tier items.
EVE University has a page detailing the various PI tiers here which I've found very useful.
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Selinate
Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2010.10.28 13:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Meylota LeFey
Right now, the best value is for POS fuel components -- Enriched Uranium and Coolant especially, but also Mechanical Parts and Robotics.
Still and all, as you move up the production ladder, the prices drop to below the cost of the materials needed for them, so overall your best bet is to actually sell the P1 materials (basic refine) needed to make the "more profitable" higher tier items.
EVE University has a page detailing the various PI tiers here which I've found very useful.
thanks.
And meh at waiting. I just want something to do while I wait for scanning skills to train up. I honestly didn't think it was that much of a click fest when I built a colony anyway. 
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.10.28 14:30:00 -
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Find a nice plasma planet or two, and work towards Robotics or Mechanical parts.
I have one toon right now that can manage 5 planets with the advance command centers. Using 3 Plasma planets and 2 storm, he can produce enough fuel for a large POS each day, with additional surplus. The extra coolant and oxygen isn't that great, and it's only one extra enriched uranium, but the 2 extra robotics per hour makes a nice bonus.
I'm making a PI alt right now, and I plan to use her to mass produce robotics. For that, I'll have 4 planets harvesting, each producing 1 P2 item, which I will combine on a 5th planet to eventually make robotics. That should hopefully net me 12 robotics per hour at least, which would be a very nice endevor. Assuming only 10 robotics per hour, at 30,000 ISK a piece, that's 7,200,000 a day, which is very good profit. Not quite enough to cover a plex a month, but still, very very good!
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.10.28 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
...advice on what I should produce to make the greatest profit in PI...
It depends. Some things in some places you lose money past P1. There are some P0s that sell for more than the equivalent production of their P1 derivative, in some markets. It varies with time, too, so you're best to do your own research for your particular location; the good spreadsheet tools available can't cover all the Regions.
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Brinkken
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Posted - 2010.10.28 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Don't.
Wait for the click-sink fix.
The hundreds of thousands of clicks you make today will be devalued when the UI is made usable.
You'll be sad later.....
The clicks will be worth the same, its the total profit that will be less.
Many people are waiting for some sort of 'reset all' function. When (if) it arrives, the prices for PI will plummet. I have 5 PI alts with 5 planets each, and adv CCs, that I haven't used since the initial price spike when POS structures transitioned to player-made goods. I could put them back into action if PI ever became a matter of 5 clicks per alt per day. There are many like me.
CCP knows a 'reset all' would crash the PI market completely. Notice there was no mention of it in the dev blogs. With almost zero opportunity cost for running PI, the products will have zero value. I seriously doubt they'll ever implement that functionality.
That being said, I hope CCP does it, because I've got a POS that needs fueling :)
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.10.29 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Brinkken
CCP knows a 'reset all' would crash the PI market completely. Notice there was no mention of it in the dev blogs. With almost zero opportunity cost for running PI, the products will have zero value. I seriously doubt they'll ever implement that functionality.
You mean this dev blog? Perhaps you should have a look at the test server. 'Reset all' is coming soon.
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Brinkken
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Brinkken
CCP knows a 'reset all' would crash the PI market completely. Notice there was no mention of it in the dev blogs. With almost zero opportunity cost for running PI, the products will have zero value. I seriously doubt they'll ever implement that functionality.
You mean this dev blog? Perhaps you should have a look at the test server. 'Reset all' is coming soon.
I'll take your word for it they've implemented it on test and assume I stand corrected. The implications for the PI market will be serious deflation I predict. If we are roughly at equilibrium now, the new tidal wave of supply made possible by 'reset all' will push the equilibrium prices quite a long ways farther down.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.10.30 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Brinkken
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Brinkken
CCP knows a 'reset all' would crash the PI market completely. Notice there was no mention of it in the dev blogs. With almost zero opportunity cost for running PI, the products will have zero value. I seriously doubt they'll ever implement that functionality.
You mean this dev blog? Perhaps you should have a look at the test server. 'Reset all' is coming soon.
Just implementing the ability to set up schedules for PI is going to crash the market prices.
I'll take your word for it they've implemented it on test and assume I stand corrected. The implications for the PI market will be serious deflation I predict. If we are roughly at equilibrium now, the new tidal wave of supply made possible by 'reset all' will push the equilibrium prices quite a long ways farther down.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2010.11.01 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Meylota LeFey
Right now, the best value is for POS fuel components -- Enriched Uranium and Coolant especially, but also Mechanical Parts and Robotics.
Except for the bit about Robotics this contains reasonable amounts of truth.
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Xil'Vimril
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Posted - 2010.11.02 16:00:00 -
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hm tough one.
to answer your question and give good advice we need more info from you.
highsec - extraction rates - maybe 300 to 1000 per extractor on 23 hour activations.
lowsec - extraction rates - 1000 to 2000 per extractor on 23 hour activations.
nullsec - extraction rates - 1500 to 2500 per extractor on 23 hour activations.
this all varies to the sec value of the system you are in.
the reason is that the extraction rates sets the production capacity potential for your whole facility.
jita market price on all the PI resources sets the potential of your money earnings, and a good basis for it.
this is what you can expect out of 5 planets on one character if you extract and refine the extracted materials: a/in highsec = up to 100 millions per month and 2/ in lowsec = up 300 millions per month and c/ in nullsec = up to 500 millions a month. all of this at current market prices.
so keep working on your settings uand check market prices conitnously, if you want to do good earnings.
regards Xil
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Xil'Vimril
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Posted - 2010.11.02 16:59:00 -
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"Find a nice plasma planet or two, and work towards Robotics or Mechanical parts."
if you want robotics and mech parts, this is the wrong way of doing it.
barren and lava planets have a higher yield, than plasma has. it is therefore better to use barren for mech parts > import to lava planet. lava makes consumer electronics and combines those 2 to robotics. i make a 100 robotics a day. off of 2 placements.
better yield = bigger sum of refined material in the same amount of time used = more money.
Xil
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Starch Thornwald
Peniston Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.11.02 23:06:00 -
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Just use Wyke Mossari's PI Price Sheets (Global or Forge Region) and send the man some isk because he just became your new best friend.
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Supercon
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Posted - 2010.11.04 03:28:00 -
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Generally, I use PI to produce POS fuel. It helps offset the cost of refueling the POS if you have one. On top of that, PI is always active even when you're not in the system so that you can do other things to earn ISK while you're at it.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.11.04 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xil'Vimril
barren and lava planets have a higher yield, than plasma has. it is therefore better to use barren for mech parts > import to lava planet. lava makes consumer electronics and combines those 2 to robotics.
As a generalization this may be true, but don't bank on it. Every planet is unique. Some are exceptional, and some are duds.
For my robotics line I'm using 4 harvest planets, one for each resource, and my factory planet supplements my weak resource. After surveying every planet in my constellation for the best hot spots I ended up harvesting from Barren, Ice, Plasma & Lava, because that's what worked best on the planets I have available.
Originally by: Xil'Vimril
better yield = bigger sum of refined material in the same amount of time used = more money.
This I'll agree with 100%. Do what works best, but never assume that someone else's methods will carry over perfectly to your environment.
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