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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.10.29 08:29:00 -
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Anyone else a little annoyed by the fleet set ups these days..?
Hundreds of battleships with logistic
Hundreds of battlecruisers with logistic support..
Hundreds of hacs with logistic
Just seems too "rock paper scissors" for large fleet engagements. Sort of just makes the other ships completely out of the question and the variety is a little lacking. The funny part is if you throw in any other ship types (say a rag tag group of Assault Ships or something) they don't stand a chance because even if just 1% of any of the three fleet types above manage to hit them that's still equaling out to their total decimation.
Now while they do excellent against one another it's just that: Battleships trump Battlecruisers trump HACs but the rest of the long list of ships are out of the question entirely it seems.
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Project 69
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Posted - 2010.10.29 08:31:00 -
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and your idea to change that is?
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.29 08:33:00 -
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Nerf logistics.
 Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.10.29 08:44:00 -
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Right. Forgot to add that part lol. To be honest I haven't thought of a specific way to change the mechanic at all without absolutely breaking something. But I would love to discuss it with other Eve players and perhaps work out a hypothesis rather than spouting off something that would be entirely impractical as a fix.
It just seems to trail off into a system that all PvP games take a part in. Stick with whatever gets the job done. Perfect example was Chrome Hounds: They had armor plates you could attach to your Hound but they were never used because the damage would transfer to your ****pit when the plate was destroyed. Instead, people just put their guns infront of their ****pit so if their guns were destroyed the damage couldn't transfer over and they'd be invincible so long as they were looking directly at you.
The cliche I'm trying to speak of is that games all have a certain niche that nulls out the variety. If you did a survey in what ship types were used in these large fleet battles you would never see things like T1 Cruisers/Any Frigate hulls/Most support roles or anything of the sort. The ships lose their purpose and are only a bridge to their T2 Cruiser/Battleship variants in a way that are never used.
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Kellyl
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.10.29 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nomistrav
Hundreds of battleships with logistic
Hundreds of battlecruisers with logistic support..
Hundreds of hacs with logistic
Sounds like quite a lot of variation to me, there are 8 types of BC, 12 types of (non faction) BS, 8 types of HAC...
Thats like saying, omg frig fleets, there are 20 frigs with little variation (except the fact that there are different types of frigate).
Yes, Logistics are powerful force multipliers, but they are finally useful (when they were first introduced they were quite rare).
Logistics are fine as is, use the tools at your disposal, or just out blob the enemy...
Is the real problem here the numbers involved in fleet fights? Cos thats a seperate issue entirely...
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.10.30 03:09:00 -
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What I'm stating is that in a real life scenario, let's say you have a Tank.
That tank is guarded by infantry, otherwise someone can run up behind it and place explosives and completely incapacitate the tank and/or kill the crew inside.
My point is that EvE seems rather defeatist in that Battleships can shoot down stealth bombers with little problem. I've seen a Dramiel get annihilated in short time in a Battleship fleet and just thought it was a little wrong. Sure, physically I guess it makes sense when you have 'x' amount of battleships multiplying 'y' amount of turrets one of them would hit.
Fact of the matter is it just puts the smaller ships in a completely useless category besides scouting.
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fhyuiowauhsipabraphsprai
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:03:00 -
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have you seen what frigates do to battleships in non-fleet engagements?
well I guess you've never been to lowsec where everyone flies cruisers and frigs in large gangs that kill everything they find that has less ships than them or is solo
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.10.31 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: fhyuiowauhsipabraphsprai
have you seen what frigates do to battleships in non-fleet engagements?
well I guess you've never been to lowsec where everyone flies cruisers and frigs in large gangs that kill everything they find that has less ships than them or is solo
Right because those small ships are totally applicable against sentry guns right? Sorry sir I've filed your quote in the "invalid" department of my brain 
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Nomistrav
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Posted - 2010.10.31 03:50:00 -
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Linking a thread that may have some validity to this one.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1406366
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