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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.29 15:58:00 -
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I HAVE TEH POWAAAAAAR!!
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.10.29 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 29/10/2010 16:01:57
Originally by: WMunny What is power in EVE?
IMO, Power in EvE is the ability to do as you choose while denying someone else the ability to do as they choose within your sphere of power. That sphere usually refers to an area of space, but it could be a product, a market, or anything else you can gain control over.
A simple example would be sov holders having power over their space. If they can use the space as they see fit while denying others the ability to do the same, they have the power to control their space. If you can roam at will or deny them the free use of 'their' space, they lack the power to control their space.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.29 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete I have the "Power", I have had it a long time now, not very hard to get, but I wont be telling any of you where it comes from or how to get it.
See thats the seekrit of having real Power in Eve, keep it to yourself once you find it.
POWER!!!!
Like the crack of the whip I snap attack Front to back in this thing called rap Dig it like a shovel rhyme devil On a heavenly level Bang the bass turn up the treble Radical mind day and night all the time Seven to fourteen wise divine Maniac brainiac winning the game I'm the lyrical Jesse James
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Yes but there is no binding social contract in EVE, what with the lack of space jail or executing transgressors and all.
Chribba is an obvious example of someone who wields a specific type of social power in EVE. He has the ability to accomplish things that are virtually unachievable for the average player, simply by dint of his reputation and connections. Istvaan Shogaatsu and his crew serve as a darker example.
Also, despite a lack of jails and the absence of true death, it is possible to inflict terrible punishments on a person or organization. In place of jails and executions, EVE has spies, betrayers, ambushes and failscades.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Like the crack of the whip I snap attack Front to back in this thing called rap Dig it like a shovel rhyme devil On a heavenly level Bang the bass turn up the treble Radical mind day and night all the time Seven to fourteen wise divine Maniac brainiac winning the game I'm the lyrical Jesse James
My thoughts exactly --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dharh on 29/10/2010 16:10:41 Pardon me for taking this post seriously, but I can't help myself.
The significance of having your ship destroyed in EVE is greater than most every other MMO i've ever seen. Being podded even more so. People cry and rage from this. And that's just 1v1.
The complexity increases significantly when you start to talk about corps, alliances, empires. An empire being smashed to bits can displace hundreds of pilots. Disrupting their finances, livelihood, and fun.
In the end its always about time, no matter what. You destroy my ship I have to spend time to make ISK to buy a ship and fit it again. You pod me with an outdated clone, I have to spend time to build up my skill _and_ buy a new ship and fit it. You and your alliance take down my alliance. Me and my alliance have to spend time rebuilding.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Yes but there is no binding social contract in EVE, what with the lack of space jail or executing transgressors and all.
Chribba is an obvious example of someone who wields a specific type of social power in EVE. He has the ability to accomplish things that are virtually unachievable for the average player, simply by dint of his reputation and connections. Istvaan Shogaatsu and his crew serve as a darker example.
Also, despite a lack of jails and the absence of true death, it is possible to inflict terrible punishments on a person or organization. In place of jails and executions, EVE has spies, betrayers, ambushes and failscades.
None of those listed follow under senatorial or gubernatorial jurisdiction, ie; legal/political power. All of those fall under the more abstract definition of 'the ability to take away your opponents' willingness to fight/compete against you', merely using subterfuge instead of force. |
Avithren
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:16:00 -
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AFK Cloaking.
Able to ruin the lives of war-decced carebears, while you get on with your life.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:22:00 -
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:24:00 -
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In this game, power is the ability to deny the other player what he seeks to achieve.
True story.
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WMunny
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:31:00 -
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In summary, would it be fair to conclude thus:
In Eve, power is that ability to dictate. It's a game of dictatorship.
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:37:00 -
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In other words Influence is what passes for power in this game.
Either through denying others their playstyle or enabling it and helping them. This doesn¦t mean ISK is the only measure of power but it surely is a big factor.
Very much like in real life. _________________________________________________
Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:43:00 -
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The previous 3 poasts appear to contain inspirational quotes from chinese fortune cookies.
C/D? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Aldor
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:53:00 -
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No you got it all wrong..
Its the power of greyskull....
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Minarete
Amarr Ripstart Technologies
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil The previous 3 poasts appear to contain inspirational quotes from chinese fortune cookies.
C/D?
poasts = *Posts*
you fail the Power test
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Amon Tyr
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:26:00 -
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In terms of "fun", power in EVE can be defined as:
1. Fun (the more fun you have in EVE, the more powerful you are)
2. Denying others their fun (the less fun your opponents have in EVE, the more powerful you are)
... depending on your personality.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 29/10/2010 17:31:24
Originally by: WMunny So power is the ability to cause financial ruin on another player?
No. Again, it all depends on what your goal is.
Your concept of power in real life is highly flawed ù what you're describing is just a means to an end (unless you're completely psychotic, in which case you've got very little power at all).
The quickest answer is: power in EVE is exactly the same as everywhere else.
Quote: In Eve, power is that ability to dictate. It's a game of dictatorship.
àsame as everywhere else. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
WMunny
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:32:00 -
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Tippia - I was paraphrasing other postings on this thread - direct your disapproval to them.
By your reckoning, if I want to fly around in a piddly ship mining Veldspar and that is all I want to do, then I am powerful.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Ultim8Evil The previous 3 poasts appear to contain inspirational quotes from chinese fortune cookies.
C/D?
poasts = *Posts*
you fail the Power test
I feel like I'm being trolled here, but just in case:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poast --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Ultim8Evil The previous 3 poasts appear to contain inspirational quotes from chinese fortune cookies.
C/D?
poasts = *Posts*
you fail the Power test
There're two real powers in EVE: - make nubs fall for obvious trolls/stupid **** you say - make nubs emoragequit back to Hello Kitty
If you have achieved either you're powerful, everything else is just pixels but the two above cause/are followed/preceded by real life tears and that's what it's all about.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny By your reckoning, if I want to fly around in a piddly ship mining Veldspar and that is all I want to do, then I am powerful.
No. I said it depends on your goal, not that it equates your goal.
If you want to fly around in a piddly ship mining Veldspar, and can effect this outcome no matter what, then we're getting somewhere. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.10.29 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Daedalus II on 29/10/2010 17:42:26 I'd say that generally power is the ability to impose your will on someone else and have them actually complying.
In EVE this can be done either through a command structure (you're the leader of the fleet/corp/alliance) or through military force and threat.
In both cases you have to have a large amount of people backing you up or you won't be able to impose your will.
So what it comes down to is a willingness to lead plus people skills I guess? The ability to convert people, having people listen to you and agree in your vision, submitting to you. The more people who get below you the more powerful you get.
Edit: Guess I should add money as well. With money you can buy people and get power that way, but that will only last as long as your money lasts.
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WMunny
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: WMunny on 29/10/2010 18:02:16 From the ideas on this thread, the only way to destroy another player (for whatever reason), is to take away his ISK and thereby his time and fun. The war is never won. He will fight back another day.
Wouldn't it be great if it were possible to actually destroy a toon so that it can never play again? Would make wars much more interesting and meaningful.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny Edited by: WMunny on 29/10/2010 18:02:16 From the ideas on this thread, the only way to destroy another player (for whatever reason), is to take away his ISK and thereby his time and fun. The war is never won. He will fight back another day.
Wouldn't it be great if it were possible to actually destroy a toon so that it can never play again? Would make wars much more interesting and meaningful.
Not really. It would just lead all people that don't join the number one alliance to quit the game. And eventually the people in said alliance will quit because they have noone left to shoot at.
Isk can be accumulated in a short amount of time. Especially by an experienced, high sp character. Training the character however takes a very long time and losing one sets you back literally at the starting point. I doubt there are many people willing to lose their several years old characters even in eve.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny
Originally by: gfldex In EVE power is the ability to destroy the trust relationship between the leadership members of the opposing force. Destroying the relationship between grunts and the leadership is a very welcome bonus.
Sounds reasonable. How does one go about that, and what it the point (what are the benefits in doing so)?
Human beings are driven by feelings. To destroy trust you cause fear by actions and seaming actions. It's mind games mostly. The reward is the feeling of empowerment, a complex feeling the is quite subjective. It's main property is the complete absense of fear.
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Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar Rebirth.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:11:00 -
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Power is the ability to make people do what you want. and to prevent people doing what you don't want. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny From the ideas on this thread, the only way to destroy another player (for whatever reason), is to take away his ISK and thereby his time and fun. The war is never won. He will fight back another day.
I thought you wanted to discuss powerà
Quote: Wouldn't it be great if it were possible to actually destroy a toon so that it can never play again?
Not really ù that would just remove the fun in the competition. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:15:00 -
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Power is the rate at which work is performed.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence Power is the rate at which work is performed.
That took longer than expectedà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
WMunny
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:21:00 -
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So if we can't kill toon, what's the point of wars (aside from the playground style "let's have a way" type fun).
Is the objective of war in Eve to destroy the opponent's bank balance?
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