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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:46:00 -
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Simple question. How come CCP permits some types of botting? |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
71
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:49:00 -
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ISBoxer isn't botting. That is why. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2540
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:49:00 -
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Like what?
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Jonah Gravenstein
710
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:53:00 -
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ISboxer isn't a bot, it can be used as the foundation for a bot but in it's vanilla form is simply a tool that allows people to run multiple clients. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:56:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ISboxer isn't a bot, it can be used as the foundation for a bot but in it's vanilla form is simply a tool that allows people to run multiple clients.
Which the computer is enabling, not the human.
Humans should have to run each client manually. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
71
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:58:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ISboxer isn't a bot, it can be used as the foundation for a bot but in it's vanilla form is simply a tool that allows people to run multiple clients. Which the computer is enabling, not the human. Humans should have to run each client manually. They are. The GMs have said that mouse broadcasting is not against the rules. So deal with it. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
894
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:01:00 -
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Botting consists of
A stored set of keystrokes that get sent to the client over minutes or hours of time, or
A program that looks at the screen or other program data and based on that information controls the client
In both cases the user starts it up and can leave, and have the client controlled without the user being there.
ISBoxer does not do any of that. You push a button, commands are sent. A direct response to a user action. Want more to happen? You got to push a button again. ISBoxer does not control the client, it helps you control the client. You are still making the decisions, in real time while sitting at the computer, as to what to actually do.
Although CCP has not made such a rule, many game companies have a "5 second" rule. Whatever happens when you activate something like ISBoxer has to complete in 5 seconds.
The test CCP uses seems to be: When the client gets a command, is that coming from a user sitting at the keyboard making a decision as to what to do? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ghazu
15
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:04:00 -
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duhhhh does it do stuff while you are afk? |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.05 15:57:00 -
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I am REALLY suspicious of all these people who know a lot about ISBoxer ...
j/k. Bots make decisions and control the client from reading the current game info via direct database calls. Macro's are a set of pre-recorded key strokes and mouse clicks and are quite unintelligent (no decision making).
In both cases, the player can be AFK. That is the difference. If you remember Ultima Online, the Devs had a similar attitude as the CCP Devs. If the player is at the keyboard and actively directing the game, it's cool to use "helper macro's". If the player is sending commands once an hour from an iPhone or is passed out drunk while the code plays the game, ain't cool. WoW even has a built in macroing system...
My G15 Keyboard is a good example. It does nothing by itself. But I have prgrammed it up to do things like fire up my tank components (7 keystrokes :: 1 keystroke). Alternatively, my G15 performs some intentioanlly heinous key combos to control drones (allowed by game), so I can reserve the easier hot key combos for manual usage. The material point being that the G15 operates in real time and is triggered by the human. It takes just as long to execute the keystrokes as I would do manually, it just helps to avoid the drudgery.
Should I be banned for macroing if I am at the board actively directing activity? [Now watch me get banned for admitting that I use a G15...] |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2533
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:35:00 -
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Talking of bots, there was a gay pride parade in my city today. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
872
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Posted - 2012.08.05 16:48:00 -
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If you look at Suddenly Forums ForumKings's posting history you'll see that he's nothing but a gimmick account for posting whining shitposts. Stop debating him. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2012.08.05 17:12:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:If you look at Suddenly Forums ForumKings's posting history you'll see that he's nothing but a gimmick account for posting whining shitposts. Stop debating him.
Suddenly Whining ForumWhines? |
Jonah Gravenstein
710
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:13:00 -
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I shall leave this here for the op Last definite Dev response on software like ISBoxer that isn't non commital
GM Lelouch wrote: Hello there,
To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.
Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).
An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!
Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.
I hope this clears up this matter.
Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
CCP Sreegs and the security team don't seem to whitelist software anymore because software like ISBoxer and Synergy can be abused, but used as intended they DO NOT automate gameplay. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1767
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:45:00 -
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But what if I'm drunk and need the bot as my designated driver? does CCP condone drunk flying? |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:49:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Simple question. How come CCP permits some types of botting?
It's not botting you idiot, botting = PC playing the game for you, ISboxer allows you to control multiple accounts with one mouse/keyboard you still have to play you can just control more. |
Radius Prime
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.05 18:55:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Talking of bots, there was a gay pride parade in my city today. Your toon participated?
On topic: Because it's not botting, it's simplifying your interface. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1240
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Posted - 2012.08.06 02:56:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:If you look at Suddenly Forums ForumKings's posting history you'll see that he's nothing but a gimmick account for posting whining shitposts. Stop debating him. Never not debate with gimmick accounts. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.08.06 05:13:00 -
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You're lack of insight makes you the appear out of touch. Let me assist you...
IsBoxer Says, "ISBoxer does not provide any automation, autofire, botting, hacks or other cheating functionality. Top MMORPG publishers including Blizzard Entertainment, Trion Worlds, Sony Online Entertainment, CCP, Turbine, NCSoft and others all allow multiboxing with ISBoxer."
Remember if they claim something and it is false they open themselves up for legal action.
Furthermore... Here's a link on their site to an official response by Senior GM Lelouch (scroll to the bottom)
http://isboxer.com/index.php/is-isboxer-allowed
Hope this helps.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.08.06 05:19:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Simple question. How come CCP permits some types of botting?
Its on a case to case basis.
You are not allowed to use ISBoxer or bots.
I am allowed to use both, but i choose to only use ISboxer. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2012.08.06 06:38:00 -
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A) What's worse? Some guy botting in the corner that you can blow up at your leisure. B) The IsBoxer guy with 7 accounts that can attack you at exactly the same time.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.08.06 07:42:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Talking of bots, there was a gay pride parade in my city today.
Caribbean parade in mine. You think the butt pirates can put on a show? You ain't seen nothin' till you've been at Carribana !
Some seriously hot women dressed in feathers and nothing else \O/
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Alara IonStorm
2892
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Posted - 2012.08.06 07:51:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:A) What's worse? Some guy botting in the corner that you can blow up at your leisure. B) The IsBoxer guy with 7 accounts that can attack you at exactly the same time.
A is worse. 7 Mission Bot High Sec Ravens pouring ISK into the economy while bring very impractical gank targets vs 1 guy at his computer screen playing the game to fund ISK to actually use all 7 seven accounts.
You say guy with 7 accounts PvP'ing. I say another small gang to form up and fight against.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2542
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Posted - 2012.08.06 10:51:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Talking of bots, there was a gay pride parade in my city today. Caribbean parade in mine. You think the butt pirates can put on a show? You ain't seen nothin' till you've been at Carribana ! Some seriously hot women dressed in feathers and nothing else \O/ Mr Epeen
Our West Indian Carnival is really good too (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:08:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Simple question. How come CCP permits some types of botting?
As has been stated numerous times IsBoxer is not botting and as the previous GM post has stated, multicasting commands to multiple clients is allowed.
I would also like to see the devs speak up on the use of the Video FX feature in IsBoxer. Seems to me that a lot of players who use IsBoxer, also use the Video FX feature, but it hasn't been ruled on by the devs in any official capacity.
It would also be nice to have a more up-to-date mention of multiboxing, but based on the comments from the CSM mintues on multiboxing, the devs just want to stay non-commital on the subject, which I can understand. That said I prefer my games to have very clear rules so I know what to do and what not to do. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:36:00 -
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Posting in a Suddenly Forums Forumsfail thread. They say that in learning the game Go, it is best to lose your first 50 games as soon as possible. This is because Go is complex, and the only way you will start to get an idea of strategy and play is by first sucking and failing as hard as you can. So...In EVE, it is best to get your first 50 deaths by combat as soon as possible. |
Devious Relation
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:27:00 -
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umm... because ISboxer isnt a macro program buhde
Do they teach dumb in school nowerdays?
**Edit for spelling- Trololoed myself there** |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.07 02:38:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Talking of bots, there was a gay pride parade in my city today. Caribbean parade in mine. You think the butt pirates can put on a show? You ain't seen nothin' till you've been at Carribana ! Some seriously hot women dressed in feathers and nothing else \O/ Mr Epeen
Someone who names his character after a guy's **** tossing about homophobic comments....? Really? |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.07 03:12:00 -
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Since this appears to be a rumour thread, and has now gone off topic, I'm going to lock it - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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